Concerning the following :

1] Today`s 15,000 newly public emails .

2] Over 150 phone calls between The Clinton Foundation Operating Managers and Clinton State Department aid Cheryl Mills .

3] The connection between Humma Abeden as an assistant editor and name on mast head of a radical Islamist publication in excess of an entire Decade .

NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS MOVE ALONG AND DON`T LOOK BACK !

Everything the Clintons have done has been legal . They may have skirted the edge of the rules a bit but if there was anything illegal it would have come out by now .

Everything else is just politics .

I watched it . It was sad to watch a man willing to trade his spirit for a job .

Originally Posted by Guest

Everything the Clintons have done has been legal . They may have skirted the edge of the rules a bit but if there was anything illegal it would have come out by now .

Everything else is just politics .

It is amazing you can actually read posts in this forum with your head buried so deep in the sand. They don't "skirt the edge" but for sure Bill "stained the skirt". You may be pleased with "politics" but for me I desire higher standards.

Originally Posted by Guest

It is amazing you can actually read posts in this forum with your head buried so deep in the sand. They don't "skirt the edge" but for sure Bill "stained the skirt". You may be pleased with "politics" but for me I desire higher standards.

If you are sincere, you must be like me and just want this presidential race to go away and be over.

Trump or Clinton...we lose

Originally Posted by Guest

It is amazing you can actually read posts in this forum with your head buried so deep in the sand. They don't "skirt the edge" but for sure Bill "stained the skirt". You may be pleased with "politics" but for me I desire higher standards.

Good response . What do you think that it will take to bring the Clintons down .

Over this weekend I found an article about recent severe legal actions taken against Federal Employees for relatively minor violations of policy regarding security .
Several were actions taken by very young people between age 19 and 25 . One such case a 19 year old serving on a sub had taken some photos with his buddies on the sub using his phone .
He got a Military trial then
and sentenced to 1 year as I recall .
She can do anything and so can members of her " posse " .

Originally Posted by Guest

Everything the Clintons have done has been legal . They may have skirted the edge of the rules a bit but if there was anything illegal it would have come out by now .

Everything else is just politics .

There is RIGHT there is WRONG. We all I hope know what sex is. Billy had sex with an underling half his age. Actually he was charged with lying to congress. I expect your view of right wrong legal, moral would have been quite different had monica been your daughter, niece or??????
Hillary's e-mails. Comely of the FBI said she was guilty but would not bring her to trial. Not only did Hillary get American diplomats murdered by her inaction but strangely the CLINTON GANG made exactly the same mistake in Ruanda. At the DNC Billy proudly announced that Hilly had served on some cyber security assembly. Did none of the Hillary supporters hear that? Did they ignore it? ARE THEY SIMPLY UNABLE TO ADMIT THEY ARE WRONG? Her own husband IF YOU SEARCH HARD TO FIND TRUTH-showed Hilly should have known better than to use a private unsecured e-mail server. Billy in the monica fiasco was charged with lying to congress. Again, the CLINTON GANG has clearly lied to congress.
There was and is-whitewater-bribes to the clintons, travelgate, monicagate, begazi, ruanda, chelsea paid a cool million dollar salary at the CLINTON FOUNDATION right out of school, stealing furniture out of the white house and forced to return it even the CLINTONS admitted they have taken money into the clinton foundation from some very unsavorible people, they claim they will stop this if you elect the unethical duo back into the white house.
PLEASE DO NOT VOTE FOR AN ILLEGAL THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTON MOB.

Originally Posted by Guest

If you are sincere, you must be like me and just want this presidential race to go away and be over.

Trump or Clinton...we lose

The presidential election process is as polluted as many of the candidates it presents. By the time this is over it will be minimally a year and a half of this broken process. Give any candidate 18 months in front of 24/7 daily mainstream media and social media, much of it being twisted to the media's political favor, I don't believe any candidate, no matter how clean and pure they were going in, will survive the process unscathed. You cannot look at a photograph without thinking "has this been photoshopped" which is exactly how much of our media's presentations have become. The amount of money being spent on the Presidential campaign is at worst "insane" and at best "insane". Limit this process to a maximum amount per candidate for the primary, and a maximum amount for the General Election, so no candidate can "buy" an election. Limit the timeframe of the process to 6 months at most from beginning to end.

Originally Posted by Guest

The presidential election process is as polluted as many of the candidates it presents. By the time this is over it will be minimally a year and a half of this broken process. Give any candidate 18 months in front of 24/7 daily mainstream media and social media, much of it being twisted to the media's political favor, I don't believe any candidate, no matter how clean and pure they were going in, will survive the process unscathed. You cannot look at a photograph wTithout thinking "has this been photoshopped" which is exactly how much of our media's presentations have become.

The amount of money being spent on the Presidential campaign is at worst "insane" and at best "insane". Limit this process to a maximum amount per candidate for the primary, and a maximum amount for the General Election, so no candidate can "buy" an election. Limit the timeframe of the process to 6 months at most from beginning to end.

Enough with the bitching, moaning and whining...

Originally Posted by Guest

It's time to actually do what the candidates should be doing, but aren't, and that is to propose specific ideas on solving our political problems.

Here, I'll start.

- I say that we should pay a salary that attracts bright people and competes with what they can make in private business. While some people may think that a base of $174,000 a year salary for Senators and Congressman is a fortune, the truth of the matter is that it’s actually very low compared to what even the average bright person can make in the private sector. When you add the additional cost of maintaining two residences (very few of their families follow them to DC), and even with their office allowances, it makes it so tough that Congressman and Senators have been sharing apartments for years. So let’s make the pay $250,000 per year and with the term limit I suggest below, it will allow someone who might not otherwise think of serving...to do so.

- Another thing that needs to be laid to rest, is the false rumor spread about how Congress is guaranteed this salary for the rest of their lives ( for even one or two terms). This is totally false, but I won’t get into it in depth here. Suffice to say and to try and set the record straight, any retirement/pension they currently receive is similar to other Civil Service/FERS employees and is a function of the number of years (a % for each year) times the number of years of service.

- Regarding term limits, although that's a tough one, something definitely needs to be done. The shorter the term, the more they will be tempted to set something up quickly for themselves for when their term is through or begging for donations for their next election. The way it is now, a Congressman is voted in for only two years. If a person has decided that they want to be more than a one term Congressman, what do you think they’re doing the minute they get sworn in for their term? EXACTLY, they have to immediately start campaigning and looking for donations for their next term! No one with any common sense can fail to see that if a Congressman has another election in two years, they are not concentrating on doing their job and are much more concerned with trying to get more donations. And while Senators are elected for four years, they are almost in the exact same boat and have the exact same goals.

- Given the current situation, there is way too much potential for ingratiating themselves with big business/industries to either get donations or set themselves up for a much better paying job when they get out. Being a current professional politician has shown to have these exact problems. They seem to spend more time trying to get reelected or ingratiating themselves with businesses/industries… than taking care of business.

- So maybe make it a single 6 year term for both Senators and Congressman, so they can concentrate on governing and then they don't have to spend their time campaigning to get reelected, or sucking up to businesses/industries for future employment.

- In other words, I believe lengthening the terms for Senators and Representatives to one 6 year term, will eliminate a lot of the problems we have now of politicians being in constant "campaign/job seeking mode."

- I also believe that campaign reform along the lines below, will greatly reduce the need for elected officials to "pay back" those who donated a lot of money for them to get elected. Because I don’t care what anyone says, if someone donates a lot of money to your campaign, anyone with a modicum of intelligence knows damned well that candidate will look favorably upon that donor.

Consequently, I suggest:

1. Eliminating all private/business/PAC campaign contributions, except $50 from individuals only.

2. Establish a new tax on businesses that is used for the 'election pot.' And yes, I can hear the screaming now but.....since these same businesses will no longer be able to contribute directly (or through lobbyists/PAC’s), they will probably find that they are actually spending less money.

3. Give each candidate a set amount of campaign money........ and they have to determine how they want to best spend it. If they want to blow it on a few expensive TV ads, so be it. I’m guessing though, they will choose to figure out more cost effective ways to reach out to the voters and let them get to know the candidate better.

4. Limit access of lobbyists to politicians. Much like agents are limited in their access to amateur athletes, the number of lobbyists running around the halls of Congress is not much different than an infestation of cockroaches.

5. Mandate a quarterly report that shows every single lobbyist/interest group/individual that has met with each politician....and any votes made by that politician that could even be obliquely construed as affecting them.


- It is my opinion that although some will cry about muzzling their 'freedom of speech' (by limiting campaign amounts), if we were to allow smart, dedicated regular citizens (who can't afford it now) be able to run for a public office, we will get back to what was envisioned by the FF’s…which is a 'citizen legislature.'

Instead of the current lifetime occupation of.... 'Politician'…..soon followed by ‘Lobbyist.’


OK y’all, instead of the usual 2 or 3 sentence sound bites and personal attacks, quit being so lazy and let’s hear what you think will help solve our current problems.






CNM

CNM

Originally Posted by Guest

The presidential election process is as polluted as many of the candidates it presents. By the time this is over it will be minimally a year and a half of this broken process. Give any candidate 18 months in front of 24/7 daily mainstream media and social media, much of it being twisted to the media's political favor, I don't believe any candidate, no matter how clean and pure they were going in, will survive the process unscathed. You cannot look at a photograph without thinking "has this been photoshopped" which is exactly how much of our media's presentations have become. The amount of money being spent on the Presidential campaign is at worst "insane" and at best "insane". Limit this process to a maximum amount per candidate for the primary, and a maximum amount for the General Election, so no candidate can "buy" an election. Limit the timeframe of the process to 6 months at most from beginning to end.

Too bad we could not reform the entire process . It takes a great deal out of the Nation`s spirit and everyone`s Ox gets gored multiple times .

Originally Posted by Guest

It is amazing you can actually read posts in this forum with your head buried so deep in the sand. They don't "skirt the edge" but for sure Bill "stained the skirt". You may be pleased with "politics" but for me I desire higher standards.

Then STOP voting for the corrupt D and R "candidates". Just STOP voting for ANY D or R...it's EASY.

Originally Posted by Guest

If you are sincere, you must be like me and just want this presidential race to go away and be over.

Trump or Clinton...we lose

Vote 3rd party...or YOU are part of the problem, not the solution.

Yes, with another D or R we DO lose...again.

Originally Posted by Guest

The presidential election process is as polluted as many of the candidates it presents. By the time this is over it will be minimally a year and a half of this broken process. Give any candidate 18 months in front of 24/7 daily mainstream media and social media, much of it being twisted to the media's political favor, I don't believe any candidate, no matter how clean and pure they were going in, will survive the process unscathed. You cannot look at a photograph without thinking "has this been photoshopped" which is exactly how much of our media's presentations have become. The amount of money being spent on the Presidential campaign is at worst "insane" and at best "insane". Limit this process to a maximum amount per candidate for the primary, and a maximum amount for the General Election, so no candidate can "buy" an election. Limit the timeframe of the process to 6 months at most from beginning to end.

It's the two political parties that are corrupt, stop them by NEVER voting for one of their crooks again.

You don't GET "clean and pure" people WANTING to be president. You get psychopaths who want to control everything and everybody.

Originally Posted by Guest

Too bad we could not reform the entire process . It takes a great deal out of the Nation`s spirit and everyone`s Ox gets gored multiple times .

STOP voting for ANY D or R and you're well on your way to reform. Electing another D or R gets the Ox gored again!