An article in today's Daily Sun stated that the mail order concealed weapon permit industry has flourished in Philadelphia. It seems that even though Philadelphia applicants are rejected for concealed weapon permits in Philly, they can apply in Florida and get the permit by mail order. Pennsylavania and Florida have a reciprocal agreement to respect each other's gun licenses.

Increasingly, Philadelphia police are discovering suspects arrested have Florida concealed weapon permits.

Minor brushes with the law or chracter issues are not considerations for rejecting a permit in Florida. The key is that the applicant has not been convicted of a felony. A cottage industry has sprung up in Philadelphia to ease the application and approval process for obtaining a Florida gun permit.

Kind of gives you that warm and fuzzy feeling that Florida is arming criminals in 31 other states with their lax requirements for concealed gun permits, doesn't it? Basically, you could liken this to "doctor shopping" when addicts go from doctor to doctor to see which Pill Mill will give them their prescription for drugs. Well, the "gun license shopping" ends up in the Gun License Mill - FLORIDA!

I say we mandate that every citizen must own a hand gun. If they cannot afford it we will give them a loan for one. That way we would all be equal and more polite to each other. Yes, a chicken in every pot and a gun in every hand.

isn't the criminal element creative or is it smarter. This event goes in the same book of records a prison inmates with no income what soever placing phony IRS returns and getting on the average $5000 per return.

Reflects the caliber (pun intended) of "law"makers.

btk

I have long felt that only residents of the state should be granted a CCW by their home state and then recognized by other states. Only two states allow out of state residents licenses, Flordia and Nevada.

I also believe that the training necessary to get a concealed carry is way to easy in most states. The average citizen needs more than a couple hours of gun safety training and then to fire a couple shots on the range and call that training enough to be granted a license to carry. Then the vast majority never do any other shooting or if they do they go to the range, set targets up at 25 yards and take their time aiming and are proud of the groups they shoot. We in the training industry call those folks targets. When you teach yourself to shoot like that, by the time you draw, aim and get ready to shot, you are shot and the bad guy is gone.

Figmo is right "on target" with his post.

I believe I will write a letter to Ricky Scott and ask him why Florida allows non-residents of Florida to receive a Florida concealed weapon permit. I have no problem with legal residents that check out with the requirements of ccw permits having one. I think it is ridiculous to carry while in The Villages, but that is my opinion.

buggyone, any place that you go that has this sign, "FIREARMS NOT PERMITED", stay away from.

Those places are know as "target rich enviroments." Crazies and those that just want to hurt people know that all the "law abiding" citizens will be unarmed and only they, the criminal and crazy, will have a weapon.

If you where a store own would you want:

1. 12 people you know nothing about coming into your store maybe maybe not carrying firearms;

or

2. 12 people who have had a background check, training and licensed to carry come into your store.

Just wondering.

Well, Figmo, some of those places include schools, churches, police stations, and bars.

I like to go to church, I do volunteer work at the Sheriff's office, and I have been known to go to a bar. My wife does volunteer work at a school.

Should I stay away from those places?

I see no reason for Florida to allow out-of-state residents to get a Florida CCW permit - and I see you agree.

If I were a Philadelphia store owner and 12 people carrying a concealed weapon with a Florida permit came into my store - I would be very worried.

We have no arguement.

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

I say we mandate that every citizen must own a hand gun. If they cannot afford it we will give them a loan for one. That way we would all be equal and more polite to each other. Yes, a chicken in every pot and a gun in every hand.

How about a gun in the hand of every chicken.

Villager II, now you know that chicken's don't have fingers. LOL

Buggie, yes you are right. If I lived in PA and 12 PA'ans came in with FL permits, I would be concerned. Would I be concerned in 12 PA'ans came in with PA permits? Nope.

An example of a good training program is New Mexico, where, Oh, My Goodness, open carry is allowed, and it is not unusual to see folks shopping wearing iron. Seems that no one really cares. The training program in NM is 15 hours, 12 class room with 2 hours on nothing but the law concerning concealed carry, and 3 hours on the range. But still we could not get concealed carriers to come shoot with us to get some idea of what it is like shooitng under stress. Whole different ball game when I put you under stress and make you shoot.

Do they need to change the rules here, maybe, but then again its all about the money that the state gets from issuing licenses. So until the state gets well, money wise, nothing will change.

What's needed is a National Permit. Then you only get one and only if you meet all requirements.

I listened to VP Biden tell us what will happen if they don't pass the President's Bill. If they don't pass it, I think the VP makes a VERY good case for a National Concealed Weapons Carry Permit. Anytime, any state, anywhere. (If of course you have the training and background check). I think I have the right to protect myself and my family from the rapes and murders the VP is warning us about.

Remember, when seconds count, the police are just minutes away

Yeah Jim, there are rapes and murders going on in Hadley. One murder in The Villages in 5 years. That was due to a live-in daughter who was mixed up with drug dealers and she told them there were drugs in the family house.

No need to carry a weapon in The Villages. Just more of a possibility for something to go wrong.

Originally Posted by Wing-nut2

What's needed is a National Permit. Then you only get one and only if you meet all requirements.

Agreed but the states are probably make good money off of the issuing of permits.

using the arguments or positions taken regarding why a concealed weapons permit is not needed in TV....then why do you have home owners insurance? Health care insurance? Any insurance of any kind?

Just in case right? Something you gladly pay for and provide at considerable cost year after year HOPING it will never be needed. Personal protection...eh?

Those of us permitted and trained to carry and use a concealed weapon do so with the same intents as ANY other insurance. And like all the other insurances, it does not matter where one lives...TV or any where else. Same logic. Same principal. Same intents!!!

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

using the arguments or positions taken regarding why a concealed weapons permit is not needed in TV....then why do you have home owners insurance? Health care insurance? Any insurance of any kind?

Just in case right? Something you gladly pay for and provide at considerable cost year after year HOPING it will never be needed. Personal protection...eh?

Those of us permitted and trained to carry and use a concealed weapon do so with the same intents as ANY other insurance. And like all the other insurances, it does not matter where one lives...TV or any where else. Same logic. Same principal. Same intents!!!

btk

Logic? principal? When talking to a liberal, you will have to do better then that.