Originally Posted by Guest

Mrs Clinton

Because you believe in supporting the criminal minority and hate America.

where is the poll?

Results?

Originally Posted by Guest

where is the poll?

Results?

Look to POST #24 - I had good intentions, top 10 list etc etc, but the Moderators messed it up by apparently deleting then restoring...partly.

Originally Posted by Guest

Dear Guest: You do know that Obama spending was more than the last four presidents combined? You do know OBAMACARE is about to go broke? you do know our medical system is breaking down and doctors are giving up their private practice to become employees of hospitals, etc? You do know that some doctors won't accept insurance and make their patients pay cash and then go file for insurance reimbursement on their own?
You do know that of a result of Kaisch medicaid expansions patients are on a waiting list as long as those in Great Britian and they had to request from the Red Cross to help alleviate their back log.

Finally as to RHINO (RINO) my apology as I use RHINO as a play on words, someting that you did not know and I should have explained. Well there is no better time than now. RHINO has two meanings for me Republicans In Name Only and RHINO taken from the propane mfg and meaning politicians full of hot air.

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I can't see how Obama has spent more than the last four president combined. The charts that I looked at shows spending under Obama being about 3.5 trillion a year. "W" average is about 2.5 trillion. That would mean 1 trillion more per year times 7 or seven trillion dollars. Reagan (8 years), Bush I (4 years), and Clinton (8 Years), and they only spent 7 trillion over 20 years? This chart shows the percentage increase under Obama as being 1.4% average.

spending by presidents chart - Bing images

There are two ways to look at the waiting period to see a doctor. People, who didn't have insurance, were using the emergency ward as their primary care physician. Now, that they have insurance, they are taking care of themselves by seeing a primary care physician on a regular basis. Rural hospitals were going out of business, because the uninsured were using their emergency wards for minor ailments, and not paying their bills. There were some areas of the country that you would have to drive over 100 miles to get to a hospital.

The parts of Obamacare that aren't working should be repealed, but not the entire law.

Thanks for your explanation of the word RHINO/RINO. I guess Kasich falls into the second spelling, and Trump in the first. Trump is a politician.

Originally Posted by Guest

It's RINO. And Kasich won't last long enough for you to vote for him. But, I have a feeling that you are not qualified to vote in America anyway. Didn't you say in past posts that you are Canadian? You sound like it, using terms that we don't usually use here. Just wondering.
I also liked Kasich in the beginning. Have been following him for several years. But, lately he has sounded overwhelmed and desperate. He is old school political, but that isn't helping him right now, and I believe it is just a matter of time before he drops out.

I am from Mass. Maybe, that is why sound like a foreigner (lol). You are right I am not qualified to vote for him in the Fl. primary. I am an independent, and would have to change to a Republican before the primary. I have no problem doing this, if he is still in the hunt.

"overwhelmed and desperate" I think that he is really frustrated, and irritated. In the last debate, you could that by his body language. How can this new school of politics, don't compromise on anything, be any good? The new reality really sucks.

Originally Posted by Guest

I can't see how Obama has spent more than the last four president combined. The charts that I looked at shows spending under Obama being about 3.5 trillion a year. "W" average is about 2.5 trillion. That would mean 1 trillion more per year times 7 or seven trillion dollars. Reagan (8 years), Bush I (4 years), and Clinton (8 Years), and they only spent 7 trillion over 20 years? This chart shows the percentage increase under Obama as being 1.4% average.

spending by presidents chart - Bing images

There are two ways to look at the waiting period to see a doctor. People, who didn't have insurance, were using the emergency ward as their primary care physician. Now, that they have insurance, they are taking care of themselves by seeing a primary care physician on a regular basis. Rural hospitals were going out of business, because the uninsured were using their emergency wards for minor ailments, and not paying their bills. There were some areas of the country that you would have to drive over 100 miles to get to a hospital.

The parts of Obamacare that aren't working should be repealed, but not the entire law.

Thanks for your explanation of the word RHINO/RINO. I guess Kasich falls into the second spelling, and Trump in the first. Trump is a politician.

The Obama administration will have doubled the national debt by the time he leaves office. He is only a trillion bucks away now and there is no way he is going to keep it below that by 9/30/2017.

After Obama took office in Jan 2009 and giving him the benefit of not counting anything before 9/30/2009 against him, the national debt was $11,909,829,003,511.75
The national debt on 12/10/2015 was $18,762,069,058,578.88 and counting. Very near $19 trillion today. Obama is responsible for the debt through 9/20/2017 so please explain to me how he is going to avoid that stigma of doubling the national debt?

Originally Posted by Guest

The Obama administration will have doubled the national debt by the time he leaves office. He is only a trillion bucks away now and there is no way he is going to keep it below that by 9/30/2017.

After Obama took office in Jan 2009 and giving him the benefit of not counting anything before 9/30/2009 against him, the national debt was $11,909,829,003,511.75
The national debt on 12/10/2015 was $18,762,069,058,578.88 and counting. Very near $19 trillion today. Obama is responsible for the debt through 9/20/2017 so please explain to me how he is going to avoid that stigma of doubling the national debt?

Sorry, I forgot to give a reference for the information. Treasurydirect.gov.

Originally Posted by Guest

I am from Mass. Maybe, that is why sound like a foreigner (lol). You are right I am not qualified to vote for him in the Fl. primary. I am an independent, and would have to change to a Republican before the primary. I have no problem doing this, if he is still in the hunt.

"overwhelmed and desperate" I think that he is really frustrated, and irritated. In the last debate, you could that by his body language. How can this new school of politics, don't compromise on anything, be any good? The new reality really sucks.

I totally agree. And sorry I mistook you for the poster (Guest) that said he was Canadian.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Obama administration will have doubled the national debt by the time he leaves office. He is only a trillion bucks away now and there is no way he is going to keep it below that by 9/30/2017.

After Obama took office in Jan 2009 and giving him the benefit of not counting anything before 9/30/2009 against him, the national debt was $11,909,829,003,511.75
The national debt on 12/10/2015 was $18,762,069,058,578.88 and counting. Very near $19 trillion today. Obama is responsible for the debt through 9/20/2017 so please explain to me how he is going to avoid that stigma of doubling the national debt?

You are really missing some important points with your spending graph as the groundwork for much of that spending was committed to before Obama took office. You also forget the giant busting budget just passed by the republican controlled house and a big transportation bill they passed without paying for it. Easy to forget though when you're making a poor point is it not?

I think the intent of the OP is to find out who would get the vote today. As usual replies meander on to Obama who, contrary to some rumors, is not running. Evidently there are a lot of undecideds.

Originally Posted by Guest

You are really missing some important points with your spending graph as the groundwork for much of that spending was committed to before Obama took office. You also forget the giant busting budget just passed by the republican controlled house and a big transportation bill they passed without paying for it. Easy to forget though when you're making a poor point is it not?

Hah, the old blame Bush theme again. If you check my figures, Bush's budget expired on 9/30/2009. I didn't count any of the money Obama spent prior to that time period. Sorry, but if you look at the stats, Bush had yearly average deficits in the billions, versus Obama having an average of over a trillion bucks. It was not the GOP that passed Obamacare, either. And that is going to be a nightmare of the future. Obama owns that mess and someone is going to have to clean it up. Obama blaming Bush for his inept record is not going to hold credibility much longer.

Ok, if the election was held today, which candidate would I select?

Ronald Reagan. I would dig him up and put him in the oval office and he would still be better at the job than Obama. Hey, everyone is still trying to resurrect him in all their speeches. And even when he was ill, he was a better president than any other.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Obama administration will have doubled the national debt by the time he leaves office. He is only a trillion bucks away now and there is no way he is going to keep it below that by 9/30/2017.

After Obama took office in Jan 2009 and giving him the benefit of not counting anything before 9/30/2009 against him, the national debt was $11,909,829,003,511.75
The national debt on 12/10/2015 was $18,762,069,058,578.88 and counting. Very near $19 trillion today. Obama is responsible for the debt through 9/20/2017 so please explain to me how he is going to avoid that stigma of doubling the national debt?

The graph that I put up showed that Obama hasn't increased spending more than the past four presidents combined. Spending and increasing national debt are two different things. There was no mention of increasing national debt in the post that I responded too. Obama's spending practices are not out of control as shown by the graph.

Concerning doubling the national debt, we have spin that bottle many times here. Presidents do not have control of the economy. They have little affect on the economy, because they can't force businesses to do anything.

Obama has instituted several programs that have increased the national debt, but these programs are not the cause of doubling the national debt. The ACA, and extending unemployment to 99 weeks are two. I have never blamed "W" for the great recession, but the great recession, and production jobs leaving the country had a lot to do with the increase of national debt under Obama.

The blame game for the increase in national debt just doesn't fly. The Republican candidates for president income tax reform are based upon a large increase in GNP. If this increase in the GNP doesn't happen, the national debt will skyrocket, because tax collections will go down.

Concerning Obama's legacy, doubling the national debt won't be held against him to the extent Republicans think. The bigger problem against him will be the extremes both parties have taken during his presidency. Whether he is to be blamed for this only time will tell.

Threads like this one really demonstrate how divided we are as a people and how angry we really have become. But the pivotal and most dangerous issue of all is our deep distrust of government and that one issue alone can sink us.

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Originally Posted by Guest

The graph that I put up showed that Obama hasn't increased spending more than the past four presidents combined. Spending and increasing national debt are two different things. There was no mention of increasing national debt in the post that I responded too. Obama's spending practices are not out of control as shown by the graph.

Concerning doubling the national debt, we have spin that bottle many times here. Presidents do not have control of the economy. They have little affect on the economy, because they can't force businesses to do anything.

Obama has instituted several programs that have increased the national debt, but these programs are not the cause of doubling the national debt. The ACA, and extending unemployment to 99 weeks are two. I have never blamed "W" for the great recession, but the great recession, and production jobs leaving the country had a lot to do with the increase of national debt under Obama.

The blame game for the increase in national debt just doesn't fly. The Republican candidates for president income tax reform are based upon a large increase in GNP. If this increase in the GNP doesn't happen, the national debt will skyrocket, because tax collections will go down.

Concerning Obama's legacy, doubling the national debt won't be held against him to the extent Republicans think. The bigger problem against him will be the extremes both parties have taken during his presidency. Whether he is to be blamed for this only time will tell.

Excellent synopsis!