Originally Posted by Guest

Obviously just a hater (with bad spelling).

How about some commentary about the subject of illegal immigration VS doing it the right way (LEGAL)?

Originally Posted by Guest

Obviously just a hater (with bad spelling).

You KNOW you're RIGHT when their comeback involves mis-spelling a word or where a comma should be inserted!

So far the only facts supported by a reputable source are those posted by the OP. The rest of it is just a bunch of small minded opinions that sound like regurgitated faux news. Yawn.

So far no response from the supporters of this administration regarding why it is OK for the open border allowing thousands to come across without a question. And why it is OK to all but eliminate enforcement.

You must still be doing your homework.

If you have a grandparent who emigrated to this country 100 years ago, what were the requirements for entry at that time? How much education and training and English was needed? Was your grandparent from an ethnic group that was blamed by the WASP majority for excess crime, low IQ, poor housing upkeep, refusal to give up their old country ways, being dirty and smelly and stuck taking menial jobs? And within one or two generations, did they not mostly produce children who have melted into the American melting pot? And were our borders slammed shut for reasonable economic reasons or xenophobia and bigotry?

Are you zealots ready to change our quotas to allow a few million a year to enter this country "legally" or are you determined to keep the fences up? When people enter this country without authorization they are not "illegal" people. Their action was illegal and the adjective your side has chosen tells much about your perception. And much about the empathy you display toward those who had the courage and determination to try to better their lives and those of their families.

Originally Posted by Guest

You post says "More than 43 percent of all FOOD STAMPS are given to illegals". Then PolitiFact talks about the number of RECIPIENTS. If one guy gets $100 worth of food stamps and another get $200... wouldn't that mean that 50% of the recipients are receiving 66% of the stamps?
How about this... even 1% is too much.
Oh... wait... this must be some of that "hater propaganda."

I also noted that discrepancy in the numbers. However I think Politifact was saying that it would be unreasonable to assume that all 11 million illegals are receiving food stamps, and even if they were, they would each have to be receiving an astonishingly large amount to make the 43% number believable.

Here are some numbers I got from the GAO. About 46 million people a month get food stamps. The average amount each receives is about $125.

10.3% are Hispanic. (about 4.75 million) Let's unrealistically assume that all 4.75 million of those Hispanics are illegal. They would each have to collect $520 a month ($400 above average) in food stamps for them to account for 43% of the total. That's probably why the 43% number is considered laughably ridiculous.

But, since you would be dissatisfied with even 1% waste, I can see that this won't placate you. Please let me know when you find ANY program, public or private, that can achieve 100% efficiency.

Originally Posted by Guest

If you have a grandparent who emigrated to this country 100 years ago, what were the requirements for entry at that time? How much education and training and English was needed? Was your grandparent from an ethnic group that was blamed by the WASP majority for excess crime, low IQ, poor housing upkeep, refusal to give up their old country ways, being dirty and smelly and stuck taking menial jobs? And within one or two generations, did they not mostly produce children who have melted into the American melting pot? And were our borders slammed shut for reasonable economic reasons or xenophobia and bigotry?

Are you zealots ready to change our quotas to allow a few million a year to enter this country "legally" or are you determined to keep the fences up? When people enter this country without authorization they are not "illegal" people. Their action was illegal and the adjective your side has chosen tells much about your perception. And much about the empathy you display toward those who had the courage and determination to try to better their lives and those of their families.

The words are being twisted again to suit a purpose. The law dictates what is legal or illegal. Before the political correctness crowd tried to put a shine on the illeagality by calling it something else the term used most often was illegal aliens. Then more shine to call it illegal immigration. And now the latest push is to try to eliminate the fact of the matter by removing any reference to illegal.

If they did not get the proper documentation like many of our lineage did when coming into this country, then the entry is illegal. The person doing so is an illegal immigrant....no matter how you cut it or paint it or want to make it something else.

NOBODY is denying anybody the right to seek a better life....we only insist it be done legally as it has and still is for the majority coming here.

Why is it OK for hundreds of thousands to come across the border every day without any documentation?With not even having to go through a checkpoint?
Why is the boarder patrol being coerced to not enfoce the laws of entry.
Why are those who are breaking the law entitled to benefits that our own citizens do not have access to getting.
Why is it OK to have an open border policy that literally allows terrorists that are intent on killing Americans come in freely?

Why is all the above OK.

The silence on the matter is deafening except for the party faithful rhetoric that has not one thing to do with the reality of the issue. The supporters are obvious in their reluctance to answer why it is OK with them.

I do hope the supporters know and understand that you, your family and neighbors do not get a free pass from those who would come here to kill us all....you and your loved ones would be in the carnage along with the other innocents. You do know they don't care if you are a dem or what ever.....right.

Why is that OK?

Originally Posted by Guest

Just a reminder... What you posted was a fairy tale fantasy of the far-left... that illegals somehow "help" the average US taxpayer. That is pure political fantasy.

You posting FANTASY as fact is what Obama does, and I have come to expect it from democrats. The TRUTH is illegal immigrants are a HUGE net DRAIN on US taxpayers as posted previously.

We've got people talking about different things here. The OP was about the fallacy of illegals getting huge amounts from our welfare system. That some illegals get some benefit from our welfare system is probably true. That they are a huge drain on it is probably untrue.

In rebuttal others have posted about the net drain on the US taxpayer for providing schools, roads, police protection, fire protection, etc. to illegal households. That is probably also true. Although I wonder how many roads and parks etc. we've built for their exclusive use.

And while $200 a year per adult taxpayer (that's how much their $14,000 tax deficit per illegal household comes to.) isn't something to sneeze at, I don't think it's a "HUGE DRAIN" on taxpayers.

In the end the two arguments are not apples to apples.

Originally Posted by Guest

Obviously just a hater (with bad spelling).

I wasn’t sure what you meant by the word “hater” in this context, so I looked it up in the Liberal Lexicon of Loony Lingo.

Here’s how it’s defined: when you can’t respond intelligently to a point made by a nutjob, right wing, faux news fan, simply call them a “hater.” It makes no sense of course, and is not true, but as Saul would say “who cares?” Also, if “hater” doesn’t work, then try “racist,” or “extremist.” If all else fails, then point to someone else, like George W. Bush, and blame it on him.

Why is it OK for hundreds of thousands to come across the border every day without any documentation?With not even having to go through a checkpoint?
Why is the boarder patrol being coerced to not enfoce the laws of entry.
Why are those who are breaking the law entitled to benefits that our own citizens do not have access to getting.
Why is it OK to have an open border policy that literally allows terrorists that are intent on killing Americans come in freely?

Why is all the above OK.

How feverish is your psyche today?

There are hundreds of thousands a day? Foolishness not just hyperbole. Revealing the complete unfocused exaggeration of this situation in your brain. Since the Reagan amnesty there have been an estimated additional 12 million undocumented immigrants.

I will not be pulled into the liberal defective traps. Simply stated illegals are illegals and they should be sent back home. America has a number of programs available to bring in legal immigrants and programs to help them secure jobs, get temporary assistance.

By arguing for illegals you essentially are agreeing to force taxpayers to support people who have not earned their way to be Americans. You are placing the country in a dangerous position because you have no way of knowing who is crossing the border.

If you are parents working hard to raise a family the last thing you need are squatters taking over your home and demanding you continue to work and work harder to support them

All of our economic social problems are being drained and soon these programs will collapse.

Send them back and let them take their kids with them even if they entered illegal but had a child here. In other words if you want your kids to be citizens then work toward legally entering America.

Haven't we learned anything from Europe's immigration problems

Originally Posted by Guest

How feverish is your psyche today?

There are hundreds of thousands a day? Foolishness not just hyperbole. Revealing the complete unfocused exaggeration of this situation in your brain. Since the Reagan amnesty there have been an estimated additional 12 million undocumented immigrants.

My post:

Why is it OK for hundreds of thousands to come across the border every day without any documentation?With not even having to go through a checkpoint?
Why is the boarder patrol being coerced to not enfoce the laws of entry.
Why are those who are breaking the law entitled to benefits that our own citizens do not have access to getting.
Why is it OK to have an open border policy that literally allows terrorists that are intent on killing Americans come in freely?

Why is all the above OK.

OK so I got the typing ahead of my wording. We both know that is not what was the intent. Remove the red words above.

A little more than weary of labeling, demeaning, name calling, wrong conclusions and re-stating to suit the never ever devisive agenda.

Hence forth posts with the tyical ear marks for aggitation will not be engaged. It has progressed from a challenge to humorous to untolerable non engaging BS.

Originally Posted by Guest

How feverish is your psyche today?

There are hundreds of thousands a day? Foolishness not just hyperbole. Revealing the complete unfocused exaggeration of this situation in your brain. Since the Reagan amnesty there have been an estimated additional 12 million undocumented immigrants.

Ok please share your wisdom with us ... what is your recommended daily quota of illegal aliens that should be allowed to illegally enter the country each day ( hint: the correct answer is zero)

Why did Speaker Boehner refuse to bring the comprehensive immigration bill, which was passed with overwhelming bipartisan support out of the senate in 2013, to the floor for a vote? This bill, if passed, would have corrected so many issues like border security while giving immigrants already in the US a pathway to citizenship.

At the time he said he wouldn't be able to abide by the Hastert rule, ie needing democratic support to pass. Guess what, yesterday he broke the Hastert rule when he needed democratic support to pass the 'clean' homeland security funding bill.

Apparently, republicans never want to win back the White House because it is becoming mathematically impossible with such a small bloc of voters.

Originally Posted by Guest

I will not be pulled into the liberal defective traps. Simply stated illegals are illegals and they should be sent back home.

This is 100% true. But it costs money to send them back home. Every year all the money that is appropriated for deportations is spent. If Congress appropriated more funds, more illegals would be deported. At the current rate it would take 20 years to deport the illegals that are already here.

Blame Congress for not providing the funds.