the next legal battle will be churches being penalized for not wanting to perform same sex marriages. i think all churches should prepare to give up their federal tax exempt status if they hope to maintain their beliefs without interference from govt. money is tempting.

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i think those who care about the abysmal standards "paraded" on our tv shows today should cancel their cable subscriptions en masse and begin just streaming the shows which they feel are wholesome into their homes....the cable companies would get the message that there are millions of us who don't appreciate these degrading programs...i just had my major cable stations greatly reduced and i am finding that i don't miss them at all. what i really want i can see on the computer.

And were you similarly upset when Bill Cosby got casted in I spy? Or when you had to read Native Son. While the arts are partially to entertain, a more important function of art and literature is to inform. And to hold a mirror up so the dominant culture can see its warts. This isn't a new idea. Jonathan Swift and Charles Dickens skewered the WASP culture in England without mercy. If it is your turn to be skewered perhaps you can see it as an honor.

One of my favorite television shows is "Modern Family". Mitchell and Cameron are just great together. I recently found out the actor that plays Cameron is straight and has a wife and family. The one playing Mitchell is gay and married.

Watch the show. You probably would enjoy it. Great comedy.

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And were you similarly upset when Bill Cosby got casted in I spy? Or when you had to read Native Son. While the arts are partially to entertain, a more important function of art and literature is to inform. And to hold a mirror up so the dominant culture can see its warts. This isn't a new idea. Jonathan Swift and Charles Dickens skewered the WASP culture in England without mercy. If it is your turn to be skewered perhaps you can see it as an honor.

The examples offered are not of the same issue.

Originally Posted by Guest

the next legal battle will be churches being penalized for not wanting to perform same sex marriages. i think all churches should prepare to give up their federal tax exempt status if they hope to maintain their beliefs without interference from govt. money is tempting.

Perhaps its now time for a genuine counter-revolution in values? Let's keep it peaceful, but I for one, have had it. We are still the majority. We still have the numbers but we have been intimidated into silence by a tiny minority that holds genuinely perverse views which are harmful to society, our kids and the future.

Time to change that, and to get the power of government on our side vs being against us.

Originally Posted by Guest

Perhaps its now time for a genuine counter-revolution in values? Let's keep it peaceful, but I for one, have had it. We are still the majority. We still have the numbers but we have been intimidated into silence by a tiny minority that holds genuinely perverse views which are harmful to society, our kids and the future.

Time to change that, and to get the power of government on our side vs being against us.

Sounds kind of Hitler-esque, doesn't it?

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Sounds kind of Hitler-esque, doesn't it?

No, not in the least. Given that you would say that indicates your ongoing lack of any historical knowledge.

Reining in an out of control government and corrupt moral culture is as American as apple pie.

You can only push the majority so far before they fight back. We're at that point.

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Looks like the majority on the board favor traditional marriage

Their is a SIGNIFICANT number of members of TOTV that support gay rights / marriage that simply do not post in this forum because it is the equivalent of ****ing in the wind.

Originally Posted by Guest

Sounds kind of Hitler-esque, doesn't it?

That is an uncalled for and irrelevant remark.
It is OK to be of the minorty representaion, but there is no reason to denegrate an opposing view......from a majority representative.

I for one am part of what I hope is a growing number in America. I am not and never have been intimidated by anybody, including the US government.

Like very many of us in that majority, I do respect others views/preferences even those I disagree with. I do not however accept being harassed day and night by a minority group, examples purporting to be an established new norm.

Our life and our diminished family and core values are affected by the ever present 24/7 internet and television. Two major contributors to the decline of many of our core values, including killing, rape, murder, mayhem, etc.

Like many others in the majority, I believe in live and let live but am sick and tired of the minoriity and special interest minorities running over the rest of us.

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Perhaps its now time for a genuine counter-revolution in values? Let's keep it peaceful, but I for one, have had it. We are still the majority. We still have the numbers but we have been intimidated into silence by a tiny minority that holds genuinely perverse views which are harmful to society, our kids and the future.

Time to change that, and to get the power of government on our side vs being against us.

On the subject of same-sex marriage, all of the recent polls show that 60% of Americans support it, that is a majority. If there were a national referendum in this country, as they had in Ireland, the results would be virtually the same.

In the 37 states, plus the District of Columbia, that allow same-sex marriage , the majority say it has had no negative impact on their lives.

On the other hand, if people think it is time for a peaceful counter-revolution, the best place to start is at the ballot box. Working to sign up new voters would be a good starting point.

The 2016 election could very well be decided by Florida. President Obama basically won FL twice because he carried the I-4 corridor. The GOP nominee must win Florida in order to get elected.

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Their is a SIGNIFICANT number of members of TOTV that support gay rights / marriage that simply do not post in this forum because it is the equivalent of ****ing in the wind.

How ever many that is is of no consequence. And if they choose to not participate where ALL fall over and wave rianbow flags, that is their choice.
Just because there is opposition does not equate tp ****ing in the wind......it merely reflects the reality of life that there are differences of opinion.

Obviously a very difficult concept for some.

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Dear Guest,

Please re-read Post 29. He asks why a "male heterosexual" cannot be a Girl Scout leader. That question is fine-if asked by itself. However, he further goes on with saying he wants that question to be answered by a "liberal gay rights advocate". Now, if you do not see a level of hate there, you must have missed that part of the post.

Anyhow, as you provided a good link to Girl Scouts accepting male leaders, that is answered.

As for Ireland becoming the first country to legalize gay marriage, that is excellent and it soon will become the law of the land in the United States of America.

Personal Best Regards.

Dear Guest:

I do not know who you are and while I have no copyright claim on it the edit signature "Personal Best Regards has been one I have used since coming on TOTV.

I know I did not write the aforementioned for two reasons. First I would not assume to know another person's heart. Secondly You ended Personal Best Regards with a . and I end it with a :

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After women marry women and men marry men can a man marry two , three, women etc?? Sharia law is here and the Muslims are fine with it. Why shouldn't we follow suit? Then little johnny can have the benefit of two mommies and one daddy instead of learning about being baby daddies to 2 or more women? Let's keep progressing

Unfortunately many people see the GLBT movement as a civil rights issue which it is not and /or support for a small sector of society they feel are unfairly and unnecessarily ridiculed . They also add a touch of romanticism to the mix.

Since the beginning of time people understood the differences between heterosexual and homosexual behavior some like the Greeks embraced it but not once in civilization was it suggested that a city-state should legitimize the marriage between two members of the same sex. that is until now.

In the early 1980's homosexual advocates devised a plan to strategically place in front of the population a benign and loving image of two people just trying to make it together in this world. They solicited the usual suspects and lo and behold every movie television show, etc has a gay couple living the American dream raising kids....you get my drift. By repeating this picture often enough and long enough normalized it and then socialized it.

Any objection to this arrangement subjects opponents of being haters, homophobic etc. I object for a number of reasons first and foremost it is going to open up a pandora's box the likes we have never seen. It will have serious social consequences.

I do not believe homosexuals should be discriminated against, or ridiculed but I also do not believe that the definition of marriage should ever be altered.

I am sorry but I do have a problem with a man obsessed about another man's private parts. Nor as it is often claimed do I as a male gain pleasure from witnessing two females entertaining one another. But then my taste might be too traditional for some, perhaps boring.

I do not know what the outcome of the Supreme Court's decision will be in June but I would always defer to state rights on such issues because the federal government when it chooses chooses wrong.

So one can only blink and deflate when you hearing the cheering for Ireland's decision. I also think that something is amiss in that country because I cannot believe the lads actually agree with this and hence some political heavy weights had a hand in this for self interest reasons .

finally there are a number of posters on this forum whom this entire discussion would be lost because they won't stop long enough to think he issue thoroughly through because they are too busy waving the Irish flag


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Very well said