*By Carl E. Van Buren

This quote was translated into English from an article appearing in the *Czech Republic*as published in the*Prager Zeitung*of 28 April 2010.

“The danger to America is not *Barack Obama*but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. *It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an *Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense*and good judgment *to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

“The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who *is a mere symptom of what ails America . *Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

Angel the debt that he has racked up should be enough to vote him out he's insane.

Originally Posted by angiefox10

Get over the gay marriage and abortion thing!!! Time to get back to basics. No one cares that our young boys are dyeing in wars.... and killing people who work in abortion clinics? Stop bringing that crap up every time someone tries to talk about issues!!!

If you are as old as I am, you remember before abortion was legal and you remember the back door clinics. You will not stop abortion... You will only take it back to the alleys!

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but that right ends when you try to dictate things as personal as sexual orientation and abortion. I always am amazed the repubs, who scream about government interferring in our lives when it comes to money, but don't seem to mind legislation taking away decisions that are clearly not theirs to make. Decisions like the above.

Originally Posted by KatzPajamas

Seriously doubt that Jesus will cllimb out of the Obama suit. This is a man that has not respect for the life of the unborn...even those who @ ten weeks after conception have a beating heart of their own, seperate and distinct from their mother. Too bad

...except that, at 10 weeks, it's a one-chamber heart that resembles more a frog's than a human's.

That's the really awful part of the abortion "debate" - people on both sides slanting facts and omitting inconvenient parts of them.

(For the record I would love to see abortion made irrelevant)

Ignorance is bliss.

Originally Posted by djplong

...except that, at 10 weeks, it's a one-chamber heart that resembles more a frog's than a human's.

That's the really awful part of the abortion "debate" - people on both sides slanting facts and omitting inconvenient parts of them.

(For the record I would love to see abortion made irrelevant)

If I read your post correctly, and please if I did explain, but seems that it is ok to kill these babies because of the one chamber heart in your mind. WOW....how do all these children with defects and disabilities get to survive ?

Can't wait to hear the reply. I have waited almost three hours.

Originally Posted by Bucco

If I read your post correctly, and please if I did explain, but seems that it is ok to kill these babies because of the one chamber heart in your mind. WOW....how do all these children with defects and disabilities get to survive ?

I rarely trot this out because the abortion debate is SO very overheated.

Equating kids with defects (of which I was one - bi-lateral club feet) with something so undeveloped is showing some level of desperation.

[WARNING - the following is graphic]

Let me tell you - the mess that my ex-wife and I cleaned up from her miscarriage at just over 12 weeks wasn't pleasant in the least. Of course, what we saw was life sized - not blown up 10x with a soft focus to try and sway people's emotions.

[End warning]

I have two daughters (23 & 18) so we know well about the joys of parenting. But the way that some people equate a blastocyte with a fully-viable fetus is just something I can't agree with.

I'll be the first one to admit that I can't draw a line as to where it changes - but current restrictions on very late term abortions are certainly in order. I would suspect that concepts like 'viability' and 'sentience' happen on a more individual basis. For that very reason it's difficult at best to make a blanket rule.

Last time I checked, 96% of all abortions happen in the first trimester. That number doesn't get a lot of publicity compared to the vitriol over the comparatively microscopic number of late-term abortions (usually because of defects or endangerments - look up Tay-Sachs to see an example of the former).

Then you get politicians just making stuff up about Planned Parenthood (90%+ of their revenue is abortion based?!?! - more like *3* - and then the politician says his remarks on the floor of the House were "not intended as a true statement").

It's a VERY volatile subject that leans towards more screaming than debating.

That being said, I once heard Rush Limbaugh explain a reason for his opposition that at least I could understand. He said he was opposed to abortion because he believed it was part of an overall attitude that diminished the value of human life. I may not agree with that - but at least I can respect that kind of thought.

Originally Posted by djplong

I rarely trot this out because the abortion debate is SO very overheated.

Equating kids with defects (of which I was one - bi-lateral club feet) with something so undeveloped is showing some level of desperation.

[WARNING - the following is graphic]

Let me tell you - the mess that my ex-wife and I cleaned up from her miscarriage at just over 12 weeks wasn't pleasant in the least. Of course, what we saw was life sized - not blown up 10x with a soft focus to try and sway people's emotions.

[End warning]

I have two daughters (23 & 18) so we know well about the joys of parenting. But the way that some people equate a blastocyte with a fully-viable fetus is just something I can't agree with.

I'll be the first one to admit that I can't draw a line as to where it changes - but current restrictions on very late term abortions are certainly in order. I would suspect that concepts like 'viability' and 'sentience' happen on a more individual basis. For that very reason it's difficult at best to make a blanket rule.

Last time I checked, 96% of all abortions happen in the first trimester. That number doesn't get a lot of publicity compared to the vitriol over the comparatively microscopic number of late-term abortions (usually because of defects or endangerments - look up Tay-Sachs to see an example of the former).

Then you get politicians just making stuff up about Planned Parenthood (90%+ of their revenue is abortion based?!?! - more like *3* - and then the politician says his remarks on the floor of the House were "not intended as a true statement").

It's a VERY volatile subject that leans towards more screaming than debating.

That being said, I once heard Rush Limbaugh explain a reason for his opposition that at least I could understand. He said he was opposed to abortion because he believed it was part of an overall attitude that diminished the value of human life. I may not agree with that - but at least I can respect that kind of thought.

According to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), since 1973, roughly 50 million legal induced abortions have been performed in the United States.[20]

So, that means that 4% of babies killed after the first the first trimister?

So, you are calling 2 million souls "microscopic"? Really.

Originally Posted by djplong

I rarely trot this out because the abortion debate is SO very overheated.

Equating kids with defects (of which I was one - bi-lateral club feet) with something so undeveloped is showing some level of desperation.

[WARNING - the following is graphic]

Let me tell you - the mess that my ex-wife and I cleaned up from her miscarriage at just over 12 weeks wasn't pleasant in the least. Of course, what we saw was life sized - not blown up 10x with a soft focus to try and sway people's emotions.

[End warning]

I have two daughters (23 & 18) so we know well about the joys of parenting. But the way that some people equate a blastocyte with a fully-viable fetus is just something I can't agree with.

I'll be the first one to admit that I can't draw a line as to where it changes - but current restrictions on very late term abortions are certainly in order. I would suspect that concepts like 'viability' and 'sentience' happen on a more individual basis. For that very reason it's difficult at best to make a blanket rule.

Last time I checked, 96% of all abortions happen in the first trimester. That number doesn't get a lot of publicity compared to the vitriol over the comparatively microscopic number of late-term abortions (usually because of defects or endangerments - look up Tay-Sachs to see an example of the former).

Then you get politicians just making stuff up about Planned Parenthood (90%+ of their revenue is abortion based?!?! - more like *3* - and then the politician says his remarks on the floor of the House were "not intended as a true statement").

It's a VERY volatile subject that leans towards more screaming than debating.

That being said, I once heard Rush Limbaugh explain a reason for his opposition that at least I could understand. He said he was opposed to abortion because he believed it was part of an overall attitude that diminished the value of human life. I may not agree with that - but at least I can respect that kind of thought.

djplong~ I am terribly sorry for the loss of your child. My husband and I lost one of ours in much the same manner. It was and still is one of the most painful experiences of our lives. You mention that you cannot necessarily agree with equating a blastocyte with a fully-viable fetus. There truly are not many comparison other than one. LIFE! The moment of conception takes a living part pf two seperate and distinct people with a different set of DNA and produces a third seperate and distinct living thing with its own different set of DNA. Viable on its own or not, it is living and growing at a MIRACULOUS rate! This LIFE will continue to grow, develop and mature just as a viable born baby will grow, develop and mature until death takes over. Death could come at anytime, 6years old, 21 years old, 65 years old, or 10 weeks after conception. Life or death, those are the two choices! The question isn't when life begins, the question is- who has the right to end it at anytime.
On another note, some folks believe that humans began as one celled amoebas, without even a one chambered heart, millions of years ago. Where does that leave the blastocyte theory?

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

So, that means that 4% of babies killed after the first the first trimister?

So, you are calling 2 million souls "microscopic"? Really.

Incredible reasoning, isn't it?!? What's 2 million souls, give or take a few...
Famous Quote...a person is a person, no matter how small! ~Horton the Elephant

kudos to you, katzpajamas, that was a very nice post. and sensitive.

Originally Posted by chachacha

kudos to you, katzpajamas, that was a very nice post. and sensitive.

It was.

This post has gotten off topic. If you would like to start a new topic please create a new thread.

Thank you in advance.

he started it... sorry