Originally Posted by buggyone

I said I was not in favor of arresting and deporting them. That is what I would do.

Now, CeeJay, you must have your own thoughts on the matter. Let's have your full and complete thoughts. Remembering, of course, what consequesnces can be such as rotting fruits that are not picked by migrants because Americans will not do the work - and thus forcing farmers out of business and prices to skyrocket; homes that will not built and causing more shortages in housing - causing massive layoffs in business that relies on these markets.

You offer these jobs and job training to the folks on unemployment and cut out the welfare to the people on it that are physically and mentally capable of working and if they refuse then they lose those benefits. You would be amazed at the jobs people will take if they really have to

Originally Posted by memason

I think anyone here illegally should be deported...period. No matter if they're one minute old or one hundred years old. Age is not important.

It's isn't fair to the folks that go through the proper channels to come here for these illegals to get a fast path to anything but a trip back home.

I have Canadian friends who have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in homes here and can only spend 6 months in the US. The ones that are trying to get green cards, to stay here a little longer and getting nothing but grief from the government.

Asking a contractor/landscaper if they use illegals...ha ha I'm sure they'd tell you they're using illegal aliens...NOT.

The economy is not going to tank, because we deport ALL illegals.

This should be a simple issue, in my opinion.

My dear lady family physician is from Pakistan. She arrived here legally and has many family members still waiting their legal turn to enter the USA. This illegal immigration double standard that favors those crossing from Mexico upsets her greatly.

Originally Posted by ceejay

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These are my thoughts on the illegal immigrant situation. Only BTK says it much better than I can. You have to take the bad with the good...so strawberries may rot and houses will take longer to build...
How can you argue with the LAW?

Laws are changed all the time. That's the purpose of the state legislatures.

Originally Posted by memason

I think anyone here illegally should be deported...period. No matter if they're one minute old or one hundred years old. Age is not important.

It's isn't fair to the folks that go through the proper channels to come here for these illegals to get a fast path to anything but a trip back home.

I have Canadian friends who have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in homes here and can only spend 6 months in the US. The ones that are trying to get green cards, to stay here a little longer and getting nothing but grief from the government.

Asking a contractor/landscaper if they use illegals...ha ha I'm sure they'd tell you they're using illegal aliens...NOT.

The economy is not going to tank, because we deport ALL illegals.

This should be a simple issue, in my opinion.

I thought the six month maximum stay law is a Canadian law that, if broken, would prevent Canadians from receiving their government run socialized medical coverage.

Originally Posted by janmcn

I thought the six month maximum stay law is a Canadian law that, if broken, would prevent Canadians from receiving their government run socialized medical coverage.

I have been told by Canadians, that they are not permitted to stay longer than 6 months/year by the US government. I believe they also have some health insurance impact, but that is their choice. Staying in the US is not.

Perhaps some of our Canadian or British friends can enlighten us ???

I do understand what a lot are saying about deporting illegal immigrants because they are breaking the law. However, look at the economic side.

Americans will not take the backbreaking jobs of picking crops. Farmers in Alabama have found that out with their recent immigration law. Farmers in Alabama are going bankrupt because of this law. That effects the rest of the economy. Manassas, Virginia passed an anti-immigration law a few years ago and it backfired on them. Postville, Iowa had ICE round up all the illegals working at their huge meat packing plant. As a result, the plant closed, houses standing empty in town, and the entire town is dried up for all business. Bankruptcies and foreclosures abound. If the home building in The Villages goes that way, more and more of the economy will suffer. The industries and stores that rely on home building will dry up. Our community will become undesirable with half built houses standing around and our home values will drop.

Very tough question and no easy solution.

A little over a month ago there was no mention of problems getting in the crop. Any recent news that can be shared?

Florida brings larger, earlier strawberry crop - News

Originally Posted by Posh 08

A little over a month ago there was no mention of problems getting in the crop. Any recent news that can be shared?

Florida brings larger, earlier strawberry crop - News

Also, in Alabama, "All indications point to 2011 as a record-setting year for farm income. A new report from the Agriculture Department forecasts that net farm income will top $100 billion for the first time ever.

"'That's one part of the story and production expenses have also increased,' said Matt Erickson, an American Farm Bureau Federation economist. 'Net farm income is actually supposed to increase 28 percent this year, but on the other hand, production costs are also supposed to increase,' he noted.

"Year-over-year, production expenses exceeded $300 billion for the first time and are expected to be at $320 billion, a 12 percent year-over-year increase..."

ALFA Farmers Federation - FARM INCOME AND EXPENSES LIKELY TO SET RECORDS

And, "(Alabama) state Sen. Scott Beason, R-Gardendale, said Alabama’s unemployment rate has improved much faster than the rest of the country and he pointed to news stories that he said support the contention that the immigration policy is the reason. He said Alabamians who were out of work are now getting jobs formerly held by illegal immigrants.

“In three months, Alabama has dropped 1.7 (percentage) points to a level below the national average,” Beason said. “People are going back to work.”

Legislators study ways to lure new industries | TuscaloosaNews.com

Very interesting article on this link. Central Alabama farmers warn state immigration law leaves crops at risk | al.com

Alabama farmers losing immigrant labor, see produce rotting in the fields | al.com

How Alabama’s immigration law is crippling its farms - The Washington Post

Originally Posted by Posh 08

A little over a month ago there was no mention of problems getting in the crop. Any recent news that can be shared?

Florida brings larger, earlier strawberry crop - News

Go to abcactionnews.com and search for article titled "Despite High Unemployment, Farms Can't Find Workers To Pick Strawberries" posted Jan 24.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Go to abcactionnews.com and search for article titled "Despite High Unemployment, Farms Can't Find Workers To Pick Strawberries" posted Jan 24.

Found it. Thanks.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Greg asks the contractor if the employees are legal - but do you have verifiable proof?

I don't know how you could verify. The only way I know is to go to Hawaii and check their birth records.

Originally Posted by getdul981

I don't know how you could verify. The only way I know is to go to Hawaii and check their birth records.

Just call Donald Trump. He has all the investigators still in Hawaii.

well the posts have been offering opinions of what to do about the illegals in our country.

I do not think the law should be changed to allow illegals to stay. People coming from Europe and every place else in the world have been doing it according to the law. So it works. Enforce the laws we have.

Nobody suggested shutting off the flow of illegals from Mexico and points South. Why not? How much more simple can it be than to enforce the law starting tomorrow at the border. Shut it down. No papers. No entry. No excuses!! Just like our other borders.

The other side of the problem...what to do with those who are here. Put the word out that they have 60 or what ever days to get proper paper work. Then after 60 days (or an appropriate number but less than 6 months for sure) no papers, no work. No excuses.
Maybe they get an offset for the time spent here toward getting appropriate paperwork.

Stop the flow in tomorrow. Get the current illegals, legal. Enforce the law. No excuses.

It is really, very simple to fix. Politicians are absolutely incapable.

btk