Originally Posted by djplong

Richie - since I haven't had a chance to see the WHOLE thing, perhaps you can tell me..

Is there anything in that video that does NOT have something we haven't already heard? (Like the birth certificate is a forgery, etc)?

Is there actually anything new in this?

I posted the vids, you tell me and then add the story where an real investigative lab looked carefully at the evidence and debunked it.

I'll save you the trouble, because no one looked into it, or evaluated it in any forensic way.

("Yes Mr. President; oh, thats a legal copy of your certificate, uh huh, uh huh, yep....that's good enough for us......sorry to bother you Mr. President......we've seen enough. Now if you'll excuse us, we're still sifting through Gov. Palin's garbage. We've found nothing but we're hopeful. Thanks for the good luck wishes, Mr. President)

OMG will the conspiracy theories ever end for you paranoid people? When I was in the military, I worked side by side with several members of the local Masons. They live and breath these conspiracy theories. You are wasting your life on this silliness. Get behind Romney with all this wasted energy and you will not have to worry about carbon dating Obamas birth certificate.

Yes, I saw parts of it and the main thrust seemed to be the whole "the birth certificate is forged" argument that came out approximately 4 seconds after the President released it.

For these people, *no* answer will do. It reminds me of some of the stuff I saw on "Ancient Aliens" this weekend. The most preposterous proposals to questions presented as "facts" with every subsequent mention. The first mention is "what if" and *all* of the mentions after the first treat it as fact.

Ahhh, so it comes down to faith in Obama's honesty and the blind acceptance of document copies that were presented with no forensic investigation into the discrepancies, or even a look by an expert in document fraud, despite all the questions to the validity of the documents.

Pravda is correct in that the US Media is just giving this story a pass.

Unlike DJ and Villager II, apparently, I don't have blind faith in this administration's scrupulousness

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Ahhh, so it comes down to faith in Obama's honesty and the blind acceptance of document copies that were presented with no forensic investigation into the discrepancies, or even a look by an expert in document fraud, despite all the questions to the validity of the documents.

Pravda is correct in that the US Media is just giving this story a pass.

Unlike DJ and Villager II, apparently, I don't have blind faith in this administration's scrupulousness

I learned about WH scruples, or lack of them with that little ol Watergate thing. Never let my guard down since.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Ahhh, so it comes down to faith in Obama's honesty and the blind acceptance of document copies that were presented with no forensic investigation into the discrepancies, or even a look by an expert in document fraud, despite all the questions to the validity of the documents.

Pravda is correct in that the US Media is just giving this story a pass.

Unlike DJ and Villager II, apparently, I don't have blind faith in this administration's scrupulousness

Not to sound snarky, but do you believe the birth announcement in the Honolulu papers at the time of his birth are also fake?

That's one reason I dismiss the birther's claims. There's just no way that such a conspiracy could have been either hatched nearly 50 years ago or implemented so quickly in 2007. The corroborating evidence goes beyond a "preponderance of the evidence".

Originally Posted by djplong

Not to sound snarky, but do you believe the birth announcement in the Honolulu papers at the time of his birth are also fake?

That's one reason I dismiss the birther's claims. There's just no way that such a conspiracy could have been either hatched nearly 50 years ago or implemented so quickly in 2007. The corroborating evidence goes beyond a "preponderance of the evidence".

I disagree emphatically. This whole thing is getting pushed under the rug, and I have no faith in the bureaucrats of Hawaii signing off on this Presidents birth certificate which is just a copy that had a lot of questions before, and now apparently fails preliminary forensic testing in Sheriff Arpaio's investigation.

There is absolutely no "preponderance of evidence". There is a copy of a paper that apparently has been compromised.

You can accept it, but don't pretend you know diddly about any authentication of these documents. You only have the word of bureaucrats whom you know nothing about.

You have blind faith and cannot claim more than that.

So.. Someone snuck into more than one Honolulu newspaper and altered the microfilm records from 1961 in addition to forging the birth certificate and the PDF of it?

Originally Posted by djplong

So.. Someone snuck into more than one Honolulu newspaper and altered the microfilm records from 1961 in addition to forging the birth certificate and the PDF of it?

Whatever........you have no proof to show the documents are authentic, and Sheriff Arpaio's investigation points toward fraud, indeed , being committed.

If we had a "Woodward and Bernstein" looking into this and investigating this with the same fervor they put into Nixon, they maybe we'd have answers.

You accept what you've been told and have faith in Obama and the bureaucrats?

Sorry, I cannot.

So why isn't Fox News, The Washington Examiner, The New York Post, The Boston Herald, and other conservative organizations, investigating Joe Arpaio's allegations? Certainly these news organizations have the resources to blow this thing wide open, as Woodward and Bernstein did 50 years ago.

Originally Posted by janmcn

So why isn't Fox News, The Washington Examiner, The New York Post, The Boston Herald, and other conservative organizations, investigating Joe Arpaio's allegations? Certainly these news organizations have the resources to blow this thing wide open, as Woodward and Bernstein did 50 years ago.

Your guess is as good as mine. Just because a paper is editorially conservative leaning doesn't make it a conservative organization.

We just don't have that kind of journalism anymore. They all just investigate from the chair in front of their computer, like you and me.

Originally Posted by janmcn

So why isn't Fox News, The Washington Examiner, The New York Post, The Boston Herald, and other conservative organizations, investigating Joe Arpaio's allegations? Certainly these news organizations have the resources to blow this thing wide open, as Woodward and Bernstein did 50 years ago.

Hopefully they are, and would suppose they are. Have no idea how it might end up but it should have been done in 2008, and I know there are other shoes to drop that were not in 2008. Not into conspiracy and dont think there really is one EXCEPT that we do not know all we should about the man in the WH. Maybe it would not have mattered...maybe it does not matter now....THE POINT IS AND IS VERY IMPORTANT, things were withheld in 2008 and the vetting process was poor

The pivotal issue for me has to do what Obama & Staff and their very defensive position concerning Obama's eligibility. It seems that Obama's background is shrouded in secrecy and /or denials as respects affiliations with certain people and organizations. And in fact his wife's scholastics records are also heavily guarded.

Clearly Obama had a close relationship with Ayers, Rev Wright, a radical professor recently revealed, a radical rabbi, etc. Just based on associations one could draw some logical and factual conclusions. Of course the liberal media will not. As for conservative media they will ignore it because they do not want the distraction.

Simply stated "methinks Obama protests too much"

Again the country can't withstand the reality that Obama was not or improperly vetted and those are the reasons two of the reasons this issue won't go away.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Your guess is as good as mine. Just because a paper is editorially conservative leaning doesn't make it a conservative organization.

We just don't have that kind of journalism anymore. They all just investigate from the chair in front of their computer, like you and me.

Regardless of a news organization's political persuasion, the media should be swarming all over Joe Arpaio's evidence for the good of the country. This could be the biggest story of the century, just as Watergate was the biggest story of the last century. I'll stay tuned.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Regardless of a news organization's political persuasion, the media should be swarming all over Joe Arpaio's evidence for the good of the country. This could be the biggest story of the century, just as Watergate was the biggest story of the last century. I'll stay tuned.

What size story was a candidate attending church at a church that taught Black Liberation and whose pastor preached hate FOR TWENTY years and having that pastor being called by the candidate his mentor and advisor ?

What size story was/is a candidate who was friend with Bill Ayers, a radical from the 60's who has killed people (this is denied by Obama, although he admits to knowing him) ?

What size story is it to know that a candidate while a community organizer was closely affliated with ACORN ?

What size story is it that a presidential candidate is a fan and actually TAUGHT the teachings of Saul Alinsky ?

ALL were just passed off by the media....and now add the recent video and a picture begins to emerge, to me anyway. None of that makes the President a criminal or anything but allow me after you answer those questions you add his youth and TOTAL AND COMPLETE lack of doing anything other than teach for a bit...community organize and then politics....what kind of philosophy do you think he brings with him ?

These are not from many many years ago..he is still a young man and I have not even mentioned all the secrecy that surrounds his past, like the grades that have been sealed...all of it together paints a picture.


So why were they all not followed up on or made to be an issue


Sorry RICHIE...will now shut up and go away