Even though you say that 50% of the Americans pay no tax at all; those who pay taxes would not likely vote for a very rich man to be President who pays no taxes himself. Yes, that would be more than a fly speck in your pepper; it would be more like an elephant dropping in your pepper!

Those who pay no taxes and vote are probably likely Democrat voters - so that is 50% right there and combine those with the Independents who would not vote for a very rich man to be President who pays no taxes - and the Republicans have a very big problem. Hmmmmmm?

Do you have proof of that or just blowing more Harry Reid hot air lies?

Do YOU have proof that Romney HAS paid Federal taxes or are you just blowing more Republican hot air? Mitt could clear all this up very quickly but since he refuses to show his tax returns - something must be amiss. Hmmmm?

He must be hiding something that would cost him the election.

So what you're saying that anyone can come up with any allegation and it's automatically true until proven otherwise? Is that your logic?

You know, word is out that Obama actually got expelled from college for selling drugs and never got any degree at all because of it. Word is also out he's been cheating on his wife during all his golfing trips.

Guess it's all true until he proves otherwise. Hummmm?

Google is this really neat thing we can use to find information (and I heard once that Al Gore invented it). Romney's tax returns for 2010 and 2011 are all available here at this link, below.

There's no reason to think prior years would look any different....

.....but this way, you all can feed on Dingbat Harry's gossipy claims longer, making you look as crazed and foaming at the mouth as the "birthers" do while still digging! It's kind of fun to watch, actually.

Mitt Romney's 1040 tax return for 2011 - Boston.com

Romney tax returns have as much effect on the election as the Obama birther issue did not affect him (or any of the other controversial issues of the day).

btk

If you would stop beating your wife you might be able to think straight about the effects of unfounded charges.

Romney says he paid taxes every year, and lot of taxes in fact.

Why should the onus be on Romney? It's Dirty Harry Reid who has some explaining to do and not Romney.

One of the earlier posters made some accusations about OBAMA...they are now TRUE until he proves otherwise. You talk about cockeyed logic !!! WOW

The only folks with IRS problems are those in the admiinistration.....I am betting that Romney gets a lot of scrutiny from the IRS but that is not good enough...well lets hear about the charges against Obama...prove that the accusation is wrong.

Reid had NEVER EVER shared any of his income tax of INCOME for that matter and if you read todays Boston Herald is sort of what you might call a "devious" sort of guy back out in Nevada !

I wish that Romney would sue him for defamation as with a lot of these folks who simply make charges in some sort of political bubble...I am waiting for the day when they find out they are NOT as insulated as they think.

No one cares about his taxes, you all Just keep beating a dead horse.

That pretty much describes Willard's campaign.

"word is out that Obama actually got expelled from college for selling drugs and never got any degree at all because of it. Word is also out he's been cheating on his wife during all his golfing trips.

Guess it's all true until he proves otherwise. Hummmm? "

Anybody heard anymore on this ? Will the President actually respond to these charges ? He has to prove them wrong now !!!

Guess we may never know....

"President Obama has not taken a serious question from the White House press corps in nearly seven weeks, a remarkable string that points to a campaign-style White House operation that is seeking to insulate the candidate from tough cross examination.

The last substantive question Obama took from a White House reporter was during a June 20 press conference following the G20 Summit in Los Cabos, Mexico. Obama allowed only six questions during the event, which was nearly guaranteed to keep him out of political hot water as the focus was on foreign policy.

Since then, Obama has held no press conferences, given no interviews to White House reporters, and taken no questions at the White House events he has held where reporters have been present."

WH Press Corps Goes Seven Weeks Without a Question | The Blog on Obama: White House Dossier

The Mitt Romney tax issue is a canard. Its intent to is say that the rich only get richer because they do not pay their fair share of taxes. Its intent is to continue the "class warfare " shtick and by the way class warfare is not "classy" Its intent is to distract on the real issues economy, foreign policy,etc.

Mitt Romney's tax situation is a non factor. If it was not a factor important to election or re-election of Reid, Geithner and so many others.

Harry Reid's allegation if false have reached a new low. Even many Democrats are backing away from this albatross. If Reid would reveal his deep throat and if Reid would publicize his taxes for the last three years then he may gain some credibility,

Romney is smart not to take the bait. Mitt has handle his campaign well by keeping on message and retaining his cool even has the liberal media continue to ignore his message while undermining his campaign

NOT I AM DONE WITH THIS THREAD IT HAS NO RELEVENCE TO THE ELECTION

As I said before, I do not think there would be any criminal activity, but he could take the high road and wheel out the forms.

So you think that Romney is the one who needs to go to the high road ?? WOW

Sorry, I did use harsh words.
My apology.

"t’s one thing for conservative sites, pundits and writers to blast Harry Reid’s dirty politics and smear tactics against GOP presumptive nominee Mitt Romney. It’s quite another when a liberal Washington Post columnist does it, calling him a “gaudy and kitschy” “crass man”.

Everyone on our side is aware of the fact that the Senate majority leader and head of the upper chamber’s Democratic Party plays dirty — always. He learned at the feet of the master (thank you, John Thune, for saving us from the South Dakota nightmare)."

Washington Post’s Cohen Blasts: Harry Reid‘s a ’jerk‘ and embodies everything that’s wrong with DC | TheBlaze.com

"n “The Godfather Part II,” a senator from Nevada is portrayed as corrupt. His name is Pat Geary. In real life, a senator from Nevada is a jerk. His name is Harry Reid.

Reid is where he loves to be: the center of controversy. He has accused Mitt Romney of paying no taxes for 10 years. Romney denies the accusation and challenged Reid to put up or shut up. In an apparent response, Reid repeated the charges on the Senate floor. Countless aides have echoed their boss. They and he attribute their information to a source they will not name.

Whether such a source exists, really, is beside the point. It could be that someone did indeed tell Reid that Romney paid no taxes for 10 years. Journalists get that sort of tip all the time, and their responsibility is (1) to check it out and (2) identify the source. Reid has not done the latter and apparently has not done the former, either. The truth is that Reid doesn’t really care if the charge is true or not. He would prefer the former, but he’ll settle for the latter.

For Reid, this is yet another brazen and tasteless partisan attack. As majority leader, he has managed to sink the public image of the Senate even lower than it would otherwise be. He contributes to bad feelings, gridlock and the sense — nay, the reality — that everything is done for political advantage. Reid is a crass man, the very personification of the gaudy and kitschy Las Vegas Strip.

Still, he is not some backbencher, but the Senate majority leader. He is the face of the Democratic Party in the Senate and the ally of President Obama. Yet, not a single Democrat has had the spine to rebuke Reid. The White House has been given the chance and explicitly ducked its duty. Other members of the Senate have run for cover"

Harry Reid’s gutter politics - PostPartisan - The Washington Post

There are some that have came on board to support what he said.

Senator Harry Reid put the bait out there and republicans took it, spending the last five days talking about nothing else. Meanwhile, the president is out there talking about cutting taxes for the middle class while Mitt Romney would raise taxes on 95% by up to $2000 annually and lower them for millionaires by $87,000 per year.

Now three congressmen are getting the Justice Department involved into looking into Romney's 20-100 million dollar IRA.

Stand tall and be proud !!

"Yet not a single Democrat has had the spine to rebuke Reid."

Not even when he summed up Obama's entire worth by saying he is "a "light-skinned" African American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one".

What a class act.

As I said, they should all stand tall and be proud !!

:agree: Harry Reid was prompted by Obama advisor's and his followers---I am sure that is correct. Consensus of a panel on Fox last night was that Romney advisor's should have prompted him to release 5 or 6 years of tax returns several weeks ago and this would be a dead issue a long time ago. The economy and deficit have been on the back burner----like you said for the last 5 or 6 days. Get it over with----release the tax returns before they are somehow leaked by some "unknown" entity. It wouldn't be the first time that this administration leaked classified documents. Of course, it has never been prove----think people are dumb?

Another person who stands proud of criminal accusations made on the senate floor and then demand the accused prove he is innocent...wonderful ...the pride is obvious !

And if you think if he released 20 years at any time, this will die, you are in a fantasy world big time. This presidential campaign is aimed at destroying Romney PERSONALLY, not based on what is supposed to happen and he gets this defense....you folks are just proud of this. This is pretty low, as low as I have seen things in some time, if ever. Man, I hope ROmney has an October surprise that resurrects all the shady areas of our Presidents life and has lots of evidence to back the suspicions that you folks do not care about.

Be proud

You see that even Willard's advisors are telling him to release the tax returns and the whole kerfluffle would be finished.

All of this refusal on Willard's part just leads everyone to KNOW that something is WRONG. He is LOSING voters by the thousands every day this goes on.

No one wants to vote for a VERY RICH man for President who has possibly paid NO taxes. If there is nothing wrong going on, WHY will he not release them? Seems FISHY to me.

i want to - and i WILL! and i know i am not alone. i can say that truthfully and as a fact; whereas, claiming no one wants to is just an opinion...and one i just disputed! ;)

I have posted three articles by liberal folks...I mean who absolutely support the progressive movement...one is in the thread from the Washington Post...one this morning from the Boston Herald and another along with a Pittsburgh paper calling this entire thing..."cheesey". The Boston Herald article spells out a lot of what Obama has done by using folks around him like Reid to destroy INDIVIDUALS, PEOPLE...never mind any issues...he did it in Chicago as spelled out in the article.

Anyway, the point is that these liberal folks are now sick of the entire tone of this campaign and predict backlash.

Those who only read what they are comfortable with would never know it..if you check CNN website (at least about an hour ago) on the political page of that site...NOT ONE STORY on this.....not as big as these folks on here want to make it. It is uncomfortable, but I go back to the Boston Herald article on this thread that I linked.....it was basically a "stop being a nice guy Mitt" and a few examples of what has happened in MA when he was pushed. I still maintain, and this is simply opinion, Romney campaign is playing the rope a dope thing...and will just say to those who think this is neat....never understood folks like you....and to just remember how much time is left in this election. Even with all of this crap, Obama's performance percent went DOWN during all of this.

If romney is trying to hide something because he won't release his taxes then I have to assume Obama is hiding something because he won't release anything about anything.

luv it! thanx for bringing me a smile this eve! ;)

of course you know i've followed that - and i don't doubt that it is true - but they are just some of the crowd. my guess is that libs/progies are all over the map with their philosophies, attitudes and wants from govt, etc - no cohesion - one of their problems - but LOTS of diversionary tactics! i so hope the candidate's handlers let them get down to addressing the issues of fixing a broken government SOON!

do you think we will soon start reading about the liberals and/or progressives starting a subversive campaign to turn our attitude toward justice from innocent until proven guilty to the french attitude of guilty until proven innocent.

[i can't wait for the daily rundown to return to msnbc this friday!!!! i miss my daily dose of the left as served up by chuck todd - i like him so much more than his sister christine!] ;)

Some reading to show some of the backlash that has begun


[B]"George Will on Harry Reid's claim: "Harry Reid's source, if we're to assume he actually has one, is identified by Harry Reid as an investor in Bain. That's as though I own some Microsoft stock, which I do, and I said, 'As an investor in Microsoft, I now have opinions on Bill Gates' tax returns.'

"Look, in 1950, Joe McCarthy went to West Virginia, didn't know what to tell the women's Republican Club of Wheeling, West Virginia, so he said, 'I have in my hand a list of 205 communists in the State Department.' He didn't have a list. Harry Reid doesn't have any evidence either. This is McCarthyism from the desert."

ABC's Jon Karl on Harry Reid: "It's one of the most outrageous charges that I've ever seen actually made on the Senate floor."[/B]

"Reid, who also refuses to release his own tax returns, isn’t just a hypocrite and a slanderer. He’s also a political idiot. Until these attacks, Romney was on the defensive over his tax returns. Now Romney can paint his decision to keep them private as a principled stand against unscrupulous opponents. Reid has handed the high ground to Romney in this fight with his scurrilous lies. Reid has all but ruined Obama’s strategy of making Romney look secretive and weird."

Reid: My source on Romney’s taxes is so incredibly credible that I won’t say who he is « Hot Air

George Will On Harry Reid: "This Is McCarthyism From The Desert" | RealClearPolitics

"PolitiFact, the independent fact checking entity, has concluded that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's accusation that Mitt Romney didn't pay taxes for ten years is so unfounded that it deserves the group's "pants on fire" label.

The site references interviews several news outlets conducted with tax experts, as well as one it did with an economist at New York University's Stern School of Business. Each expert claims that it was extremely unlikely that Romney didn't pay taxes for that long a period."

PolitiFact: Harry Reid's Pants Are On Fire

"Enter Majority Leader Harry Reid, who decided it would be appropriate to pass along an anonymous allegation he supposedly heard (although, who knows?) — that Mitt Romney had not paid taxes for a decade.

This unsubstantiated allegation was generally mocked, even by the establishment press.

For example, the Washington Post’s Richard Cohen observed:

In “The Godfather Part II,” a senator from Nevada is portrayed as corrupt. His name is Pat Geary. In real life, a senator from Nevada is a jerk. His name is Harry Reid.

This is a good sign, but not everybody was willing to call Reid out for being a jerk. In fact, some people are doubling down:

“Harry Reid made a statement that is true. Somebody told him. It is a fact,” [House Minority Leader Nancy] Pelosi told The Huffington Post in a Sunday interview.

This is laughable. We ought to be honest enough to call out this sort of irresponsible behavior — on both sides of the aisle.

So going forward, let’s agree on this: Anyone who tells you Michele Bachmann is a joke, but Harry Reid is a “serious statesman,” is an intellectually dishonest hack."

Read more: Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi double down on unsourced rumor | The Daily Caller

"And on the reckless-and-slanderous intensity scale, Mr. Reid’s allegations rank far below the sadly pervasive charges against the president: That he wasn’t born in the United States, that he’s a secret Muslim, that he’s a secret Marxist…Last I checked, none of these guys had called Donald Trump a dirty liar.

Generally the “your side does it, too” argument isn’t worth making. But the hypocrisy here is stunning."

Republicans Attack Reid Over Tax Accusations - NYTimes.com

"Reid, who also refuses to release his own tax returns, isn’t just a hypocrite and a slanderer. He’s also a political idiot. Until these attacks, Romney was on the defensive over his tax returns. Now Romney can paint his decision to keep them private as a principled stand against unscrupulous opponents. Reid has handed the high ground to Romney in this fight with his scurrilous lies. Reid has all but ruined Obama’s strategy of making Romney look secretive and weird."

Reid: My source on Romney’s taxes is so incredibly credible that I won’t say who he is « Hot Air

:agree:

They just don't get it...I don't care if Mr. Romney releases anymore tax returns...he's already released what he had to.

I don't care if Mr. Romney is rich...that has absolutely NOTHING to do with his bid for the Presidency.

I would rather vote for someone who I know has worked hard to get where he is rather than someone who was groomed all his life to become President just to make history.

would rather vote for someone who I know has worked hard to get where he is rather than someone who was groomed all his life to become President just to make history.


I bet Romney's hand are more ruff than a iron workers hands and he has more stress than an emergency room staff working the night shift in some of our violent cities. Both of which make less than 100K per year and pay approx 15 % of that money in taxes.

Get outta the kitchen!! :icon_wink:

Using the premise that the Democrats are using....ie., you are guilty of something if accused, I offer....

"Why are the college records, of a 51-year-old President of the United States, so important to keep secret? I think I know the answer.

If anyone should have questions about Obama’s record at Columbia University, it’s me. We both graduated (according to Obama) Columbia University, Class of ’83. We were both (according to Obama) Pre-Law and Political Science majors. And I thought I knew most everyone at Columbia. I certainly thought I’d heard of all of my fellow Political Science majors. But not Obama (or as he was known then- Barry Soetoro). I never met him. Never saw him. Never even heard of him. And none of the classmates that I knew at Columbia have ever met him, saw him, or heard of him.

But don’t take my word for it. The Wall Street Journal reported in 2008 that Fox News randomly called 400 of our Columbia classmates and never found one who had ever met Obama.

Now all of this mystery could be easily and instantly dismissed if Obama released his Columbia transcripts to the media. But even after serving as President for 3 1/2 years he refuses to unseal his college records"

Root: Obama

And he continues on.....great reading isnt it....

"The first question I’d ask is, if you had great grades, why would you seal your records? So let’s assume Obama got poor grades. Why not release the records? He’s president of the free world, for gosh sakes. He’s commander-in-chief of the U.S. military. Who’d care about some poor grades from three decades ago, right? So then what’s the problem? Doesn’t that make the media suspicious? Something doesn’t add up.

Secondly, if he had poor grades at Occidental, how did he get admitted to an Ivy League university in the first place? And if his grades at Columbia were awful, how’d he ever get into Harvard Law School? So again those grades must have been great, right? So why spend millions to keep them sealed?

Third, how did Obama pay for all these fancy schools without coming from a wealthy background? If he had student loans or scholarships, would he not have to maintain good grades?"

WOW.....

"I can only think of one answer that would explain this mystery.

Here’s my gut belief: Obama got a leg up by being admitted to both Occidental and Columbia as a foreign exchange student. He was raised as a young boy in Indonesia. But did his mother ever change him back to a U.S. citizen? When he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii or as he neared college-age preparing to apply to schools, did he ever change his citizenship back? I’m betting not.

If you could unseal Obama’s Columbia University records I believe you’d find that:

A) He rarely ever attended class.

B) His grades were not those typical of what we understand it takes to get into Harvard Law School.

C) He attended Columbia as a foreign exchange student.

D) He paid little for either undergraduate college or Harvard Law School because of foreign aid and scholarships given to a poor foreign students like this kid Barry Soetoro from Indonesia."

And then we finally have the resolution as proposed on this forum ...


"If you think I’m “fishing” then prove me wrong. Open up your records Mr. President. What are you afraid of?"

Root: Obama

LOL - Cons are rehashing the same issues from 2008.

Difference is - Obama is POTUS and Willard is a wannabe.

We're just "conversating" here. Of course a lot of what we're talking about is not the issues that will rule the day on Nov. 6th.

The crashing economy, the burgeoning unemployment rate, declining home values, skyrocketing national deficit, ever increasing taxes, etc., etc., etc.

The steward of this nation will have to answer for these things and the attempts to distract the public is going to ultimately fail as it always has historically.

just because he is POTUS does not make wrong right.....

if the same who cares about his past philosophy taken with Obama the candidate were used on Romney there would be nothing to talk about!!!!

btk