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Guest 08-07-2012 10:41 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535530)
LOL - Cons are rehashing the same issues from 2008.

Difference is - Obama is POTUS and Willard is a wannabe.

1. It happens to still be an UNRESOLVED issue !!

2. Once elected President, it is not an absolution of any past errors !!

3. The issues are and will be not what the President is currently wanting to talk about. Our country is in deep deep trouble and he has a lot of questions to answer about that !!

Guest 08-07-2012 10:44 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535585)
1. It happens to still be an UNRESOLVED issue !!

2. Once elected President, it is not an absolution of any past errors !!

3. The issues are and will be not what the President is currently wanting to talk about. Our country is in deep deep trouble and he has a lot of questions to answer about that !!

Well stated...to the point!!

btk

Guest 08-07-2012 11:11 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535585)
1. It happens to still be an UNRESOLVED issue !!

2. Once elected President, it is not an absolution of any past errors !!

3. The issues are and will be not what the President is currently wanting to talk about. Our country is in deep deep trouble and he has a lot of questions to answer about that !!

Spot on...and he certainly hasn't been answering any questions from the press in the past several weeks...I wonder why?

I believe that the debates will truly bring out the best candidate.

Guest 08-07-2012 05:08 PM

I am sure that Mr. Romney does pay Federal Income Tax - however, at what rate does he pay? Yes, it seems like a lot of money when it is said he paid something like $6 million dollars BUT I understand that is at a rate of somewhere less than 14%.

I know I am taxed at MORE than 14% and to know that a multi-millionaire who want to be MY President pays a lesser percentage in income tax than me does not sit well at all.

Yes, you can say about others who are rich not paying any tax - but they are not running for President.

I am sure that President Obama WILL bring this point out in campaign ads or definitely in debates - which will swing large percentages of voters to Pres. Obama.

Guest 08-07-2012 05:37 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535820)
I am sure that Mr. Romney does pay Federal Income Tax - however, at what rate does he pay? Yes, it seems like a lot of money when it is said he paid something like $6 million dollars BUT I understand that is at a rate of somewhere less than 14%.

I know I am taxed at MORE than 14% and to know that a multi-millionaire who want to be MY President pays a lesser percentage in income tax than me does not sit well at all.

Yes, you can say about others who are rich not paying any tax - but they are not running for President.

I am sure that President Obama WILL bring this point out in campaign ads or definitely in debates - which will swing large percentages of voters to Pres. Obama.

The issue of Mitt Romney releasing his taxes is totally about transparency. He refuses to release his tax returns, he refuses to report who his bundlers are, he refuses to tell us what programs he will cut to pay for his five trillion dollars in tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, he refuses to tell us how he would replace The Affordable Care Act.

If people could see his tax returns, then we would know how he intends to govern. What tax loopholes does he take advantage of, and is he willing to eliminate those loopholes for the rich? It's a question of fairness.

Guest 08-07-2012 05:43 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535820)
I am sure that Mr. Romney does pay Federal Income Tax - however, at what rate does he pay? Yes, it seems like a lot of money when it is said he paid something like $6 million dollars BUT I understand that is at a rate of somewhere less than 14%.

I know I am taxed at MORE than 14% and to know that a multi-millionaire who want to be MY President pays a lesser percentage in income tax than me does not sit well at all.

Yes, you can say about others who are rich not paying any tax - but they are not running for President.

I am sure that President Obama WILL bring this point out in campaign ads or definitely in debates - which will swing large percentages of voters to Pres. Obama.

President Obama appointed a blue ribbon committe to look into the deficit and tax codes. When they completed their work, he ignored them and still does. Presently there are about 40 senators trying to revive it. Gov Romney has always advocated tax reform. It is necessary, but it cannot succeed riding in on a rich versus poor pony.

Our current President ONLY speaks of taxes in RICH VERSUS POOR...that is under any definition class warfare that he is espousing. He may at some time come out AGAIN for tax code changes (he does swing during election cycles)

Romny believes in a flatter less complicated tax code, which of course will anger some who lose deductions and thrill those who do not. He has not, nor do I think in such a complex area (tax code I think is over 700 pages) but has surely been very clear about his direction. Of course what he says is manipulated in the ongoing barrage from Obama, but you are not representing it totally in an honest manner.

If the voters decide that being successful and making money for some reason makes a person not qualified for President as opposed to someone who has NO experience of any kind and never held a position of leadership in his life except for the last 3 years (and we see how he led us and pulled us together) then so be it I suppose.

I am curios about what appears to be a change, and dramatic change, in your attitude about Romney paying taxes at all...yesterday in post 161 you said "" those who pay taxes would not likely vote for a very rich man to be President who pays no taxes himself. " and then later in the day in post 163 said to another poster..."Do YOU have proof that Romney HAS paid Federal taxes or are you just blowing more Republican hot air? Mitt could clear all this up very quickly but since he refuses to show his tax returns - something must be amiss. Hmmmm? "

Today you say that you think he paid taxes and am curios on the attitude change...nothing wrong with that, but wondering how the transition was made ???

Guest 08-07-2012 05:50 PM

I would like to also add this since a poster talked about Romneys tax rate, etc.

This is from July when the BS started and the misdirection from Obama began....

" “FACT: In 2010 and 2011, Romney paid less than 15% in taxes on $42.5 million in income—much less than what many middle-class families pay.”

— Tweet by @BarackObama, July 3, 2012 "


Now that was the tweet and one poster just claimed he paid under 14% and I just do not know where this stuff come from...

" So, is it really true that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, who is very wealthy, pays a tax rate “much less” than “many” middle-class families?

The Facts

Romney released his 2010 tax return and an estimate of his 2011 return earlier this year. He earned a little more than $20 million each year, a good chunk of it in capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a preferential rate as low as 15 percent.

But that’s not the only reason why Romney’s tax rate is at that level. He also donates about 14 percent of his income to charity, which gives him a pretty big tax deduction. (As we have noted, President Obama in 2010 also gave about 14 percent of his income to charity.)

Indeed, Romney gives about as much to charity — $3 million — as he pays in taxes. Those itemized deductions are counted against income that would ordinarily be taxed at a 35-percent rate. We figure that without those donations to charity, his effective tax rate would be at least 19 percent. "


So berate him and try to destroy him but at least do it with the correct facts. You people who rely on tweets from the campaign and various websites are going to be trapped if you talk to anyone who actually knows what is going on.

Obama’s misleading tweet on Romney’s tax rate - The Washington Post

Guest 08-07-2012 06:04 PM

do I hear the same folks who accuse Romney supporters being the ones to always bring the issue up??

As I said in another post just do a search and see who the same, persistent, just gotta know what Romney's tax situation is....it's always the same few who just gotta know.

Like it or not the tax codes allow any one of us to take advantage of ways and means all legal to reduce or eliminate taxes.

As for the cop pot of yeah but we/they are not running tor POTUS....that doesn't work for most Americans.

The real issues go by for another day without being addressed....but keep on hammering those distractions.

btk

Guest 08-07-2012 06:38 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535852)
I would like to also add this since a poster talked about Romneys tax rate, etc.

This is from July when the BS started and the misdirection from Obama began....

" “FACT: In 2010 and 2011, Romney paid less than 15% in taxes on $42.5 million in income—much less than what many middle-class families pay.”

— Tweet by @BarackObama, July 3, 2012 "


Now that was the tweet and one poster just claimed he paid under 14% and I just do not know where this stuff come from...

" So, is it really true that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, who is very wealthy, pays a tax rate “much less” than “many” middle-class families?

The Facts

Romney released his 2010 tax return and an estimate of his 2011 return earlier this year. He earned a little more than $20 million each year, a good chunk of it in capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a preferential rate as low as 15 percent.

But that’s not the only reason why Romney’s tax rate is at that level. He also donates about 14 percent of his income to charity, which gives him a pretty big tax deduction. (As we have noted, President Obama in 2010 also gave about 14 percent of his income to charity.)

Indeed, Romney gives about as much to charity — $3 million — as he pays in taxes. Those itemized deductions are counted against income that would ordinarily be taxed at a 35-percent rate. We figure that without those donations to charity, his effective tax rate would be at least 19 percent. "


So berate him and try to destroy him but at least do it with the correct facts. You people who rely on tweets from the campaign and various websites are going to be trapped if you talk to anyone who actually knows what is going on.

Obama’s misleading tweet on Romney’s tax rate - The Washington Post

My tax rate is still above 19%. Romney is a good Mormon and they are required by their Mormon church to give about 10% to their church. That is good with me. I have been to Utah and seen how they take care of their own and it is admirable.

The tax rate I quoted of a little under 14% was actually 13.9% according to the source. I could go back and pick it up exactly but you know how to use a computer as well or better than me.

I am still saying that an American populace would have problems voting for a very rich man who pays no income tax - as well as a very rich man who pays income tax at a rate LOWER than they do. If you have no problem with that, good for you. Me, I have a problem with a very, very rich man who pays a lower tax rate than me who want my vote for President.

Guest 08-07-2012 06:44 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535881)
My tax rate is still above 19%. Romney is a good Mormon and they are required by their Mormon church to give about 10% to their church. That is good with me. I have been to Utah and seen how they take care of their own and it is admirable.

The tax rate I quoted of a little under 14% was actually 13.9% according to the source. I could go back and pick it up exactly but you know how to use a computer as well or better than me.

I am still saying that an American populace would have problems voting for a very rich man who pays no income tax - as well as a very rich man who pays income tax at a rate LOWER than they do. If you have no problem with that, good for you. Me, I have a problem with a very, very rich man who pays a lower tax rate than me who want my vote for President.

There you go...you vote based on their income...I vote based on how they serve the office....we all vote different ways.

I will suppose that you know that Obama paid 20.5% (lower than the gals in the office clerking for him) which I assume puts in the same catagory thus your vote is based on their financial statment !

Of course Obama had only an adjusted income of close to $ 800,000.00
which reading your note locks up your vote.

Guest 08-07-2012 06:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535884)
There you go...you vote based on their income...I vote based on how they serve the office....we all vote different ways.

I will suppose that you know that Obama paid 20.5% (lower than the gals in the office clerking for him) which I assume puts in the same catagory thus your vote is based on their financial statment !

Of course Obama had only an adjusted income of close to $ 800,000.00
which reading your note locks up your vote.

Yes, President Obama has my vote.

Guest 08-07-2012 07:33 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535881)
My tax rate is still above 19%.......
...I am still saying that an American populace would have problems voting for a very rich man who pays no income tax - as well as a very rich man who pays income tax at a rate LOWER than they do. If you have no problem with that, good for you. Me, I have a problem with a very, very rich man who pays a lower tax rate than me who want my vote for President.

OK. So following this line of thought.....Bill & Hillary Clinton made $109 million from the year 2000 to 2008 (see New York Times article linked below).

Now there is no reason to think that the Clintons don't use the same tax laws and loopholes that Romney, John Kerry and many other extremely rich politicians do.

So what you're saying is that if Bill or Hillary Clinton were the democrats' nominee right now for president this November, you would not vote for him or her because "you have a problem voting for a very rich man/woman who pays a lower tax rate than me".......and because they have had investments sheltered in the Cayman Islands.

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"Mr. Clinton had previously not disclosed what he earned from that partnership, but the tax returns show he collected at least $12.6 million since 2002, and possibly as much as $15.3 million, from his work as an adviser and rainmaker for Mr. Burkle’s Yucaipa Companies. The lack of clarity is because the Clintons released only a summary of their 2007 income, which lists $2.7 million in partnership income but does not identify sources. Based on previous years’ returns, it is likely that income came from Yucaipa.

Since 2002, the former president has provided investment advice and helped drum up business for several domestic and foreign funds in Yucaipa’s portfolio, one of two consulting arrangements he entered into after leaving office. Representatives of the Clintons have said that Mr. Clinton has made arrangements to dissolve his Yucaipa partnership if his wife wins the nomination, to avoid possible ethical conflicts."
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"Securities and Exchange Commission documents and financial- disclosure forms filed by Hillary Clinton show that Bill Clinton, 61, has a financial stake in three investment entities registered in the Cayman Islands by Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. LLC.

In 2004, Hillary Clinton, a New York senator, said she wanted to close the ``loopholes'' for ``people who create a mailbox, or a drop, or send one person to sit on the beach in some island paradise and claim that it is their offshore headquarters.''

The former president's possible decision to move away from Burkle ``is all tied up with the laws of appearance and the politics of perception,'' said Linda Fowler, professor of government at Dartmouth College in Hanover, New Hampshire."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us...pagewanted=all

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...SHo&refer=home

Guest 08-07-2012 07:38 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535920)
OK. So following this line of thought.....Bill & Hillary Clinton made $109 million from the year 2000 to 2008 (see New York Times article linked below).

Now there is no reason to think that the Clintons don't use the same tax laws and loopholes that Romney, John Kerry and many other extremely rich politicians do.

So what you're saying is that if Bill or Hillary Clinton were the democrats' nominee right now for president this November, you would not vote for him or her because "you have a problem voting for a very rich man/woman who pays a lower tax rate than me".



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us...pagewanted=all


Bill Clinton left office in 2000, so whatever he paid in taxes since then is irrelevant. Clinton also released many years of tax returns when running for office and advocated to Mitt Romney to do the same.

Senator John Kerry released 20 years of tax returns when he ran for president in 2004, and his wife also released one year.

Guest 08-07-2012 07:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535839)
The issue of Mitt Romney releasing his taxes is totally about transparency.
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and you think obama HAS been transparent what with sealed transcripts, sealed govt records, health care legislation development and secret foreign relations agreements? SHEESH!

Guest 08-07-2012 07:52 PM

What are you talking about, Obama is very transparent. Especially with our military secrets.

Guest 08-07-2012 07:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 535936)
and you think obama HAS been transparent what with sealed transcripts, sealed govt records, health care legislation development and secret foreign relations agreements? SHEESH!

Let me tell you the sealed trascripts today and tonight have become a big issue.

Guest 08-08-2012 09:35 AM

Nobody has ever gone to jail for not releasing their college transcripts, but plenty of people have gone to jail for income tax evasion - just ask Al Capone.

The Justice Department should be starting their investigation of Mitt Romney's 20 to 100 million dollar IRA account, along with the Security and Exchange Commission's investigation of Romney signing Bain documents when he was no longer employed there.

Guest 08-08-2012 10:38 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 536183)
Nobody has ever gone to jail for not releasing their college transcripts, but plenty of people have gone to jail for income tax evasion - just ask Al Capone.

The Justice Department should be starting their investigation of Mitt Romney's 20 to 100 million dollar IRA account, along with the Security and Exchange Commission's investigation of Romney signing Bain documents when he was no longer employed there.

This is a slightly moronic notion. Mitt Romney has released all that is required of him

You want an investigation into unfounded gratuitous charges made by Dirty Harry Reid, who blatantly lied about a fictitious Bain employee actually speaking to him?

Such leftist nonsense.

Guest 08-08-2012 10:43 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 536183)
Nobody has ever gone to jail for not releasing their college transcripts, but plenty of people have gone to jail for income tax evasion - just ask Al Capone.

The Justice Department should be starting their investigation of Mitt Romney's 20 to 100 million dollar IRA account, along with the Security and Exchange Commission's investigation of Romney signing Bain documents when he was no longer employed there.

Explain exactly what would be the motivation to investigate a man who owes nothing to the IRS and NOT investigate the secy of the treasury or the many others in the WH who owe BACK TAXES ?

You people better change your source on twitter of feeds because they are leading you all very much astray !

And please supply some credence to that Justice Department investigation of Mitt Romney ???? I am sure you would not just say things that were not facts !

Guest 08-08-2012 10:49 AM

tax evasion....you are kidding correct? Did the new partisan talking points encourage the inclusion of yet another lie? Tax evasion:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Tax evasion is what Pelosi, Reid, Geithner and most of congress are trully, known guilty of........

Ridiculous but becoming more expected.

btk

Guest 08-08-2012 10:58 AM

Last Thursday, three congressmen asked senior officials at the Justice Department and Labor Department to look into Mitt Romney's IRA which is reported to be worth 20 and 100 million dollars. Hopefully, this investigation will be fast tracked so that it is completed and the results announced before the election.


Daily Kos: Lawmakers want to know how Mitt Romney built a $100+ million IRA

Guest 08-08-2012 01:40 PM

If thats the case then lets look at obama. Dont they call that tit for tat. The DOJ wont do it . This administration is one sided


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