Try a third time. This time make it even bigger. How about this you acknowledge you were dead wrong. HILLARY"S PRIVATE SERVER ISN"T GOVERNMENT PROPERTY!!!!!

If her private server was government property, why did Trey Gowdy ask for government property to be sent to an independent third party? As a lawyer, Trey Gowdy knows that it isn't GOVERNMENT PROPERTY!!!!!!!

HER PRIVATE EMAIL SERVER You made it bigger that life. What is the matter! Apparently, you couldn't find anywhere the statement GOVERNMENT PROPERTY IN HILLARY"S POSSESSION!!!!!!!!

Your inability to answer the question asked, fits perfectly in the mold of the current right wing of the lunatic fringe. The far right wing thinks they are gods; therefore, only answerable to themselves. The lower class, the open minded, are never right. They have to accept every answer given by the far right, even though the answer will never have anything to do with the question asked.

I am not getting sucked into this kind of conversation.

All of this is a recall of hubby Bill asking for the definition of sex. It is always the same.

Done....if you are happy calling me and others lunatics...fine...enjoy your self and parse all the sentences...that is the Clinton way, and it appears it will stay that way....winning is everything and the law be damned.

And the question asked was why was it asked to be sent to a third party and that was answered. I never engaged, nor will engage into a conversation about Government property. I turned off President Clinton when he asked for the definition of sex and will turn off Hillary and her staff of lawyers parsing the law....

Of course, you are not going to get sucked into this kind of conversation, because you live on a lovely one way street. When your tactics are used against you, you run for cover, and cry foul. How dare you use my tactics against me!!! That is so un-American.

GUILT BY SILENCE!! HILLARY'S PRIVATE SERVER IS NOT GOVERNMENT PROPERTY!!!! WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO ACKNOWLEDGE?

You are a direct reflection of the far right wing of the Republican party. There is no law against ever admitting you are wrong. The one name that you will never have to be worried about being called is HONEST.

A poster on TOTV forum is "guilty by silence"

What a friendly open place this is......see ya

Gowdy: 'Our Committee Doesn't Have the Power' to Seize Hillary's Email Server


Back in March, Trey Gowdy said on Morning Joe that his committee does not have subpoena power over private property, which the email server clearly is private property.

Google it and find thousands of links on the subject.

While the server is not government property, any all, email set from Hillary to any government agency (including those from her personal server) ARE government property. Yet, she picks and chooses which emails get released.
She certainly isn't going to release any email that implicates her in anything. Liberals don't seem to have a problem with this. It really says a lot about their ethics, or should I say lack of ethics.

Good news! Hundreds of thousands of Hillary's emails will be released by the State Department today around 6:00pm, so the press and all the Hillary haters have their week-end fun laid out for them. Enjoy!

You mean the ones that she had screened and cleared for release?:1rotfl:

Post# 17. There IS federal law against what she did. I know because I worked for the Dept of State in IT. She has NO private emails once she admits that she was using the server for gov work. All her work becomes gov property, including anything private she puts on it. Sorry, but once again you have been proven wrong

Post# 22 All personal emails become government property once she used the server for government business. OK, Mr. IT answer this. "Why did Trey Gowdy ask Hillary to send her server to an independent third party? If he had very right to view her private emails, why not send the server directly to himself?

Post# 34 How come you didn't answer the question about Trey Gowdy? If Hillary's personal server was government property the second she used it for government business, why did he demand that Hillary send the server to an independent third party instead of himself? We know the answer to that question, her personal server ISN'T government property.

Post# 42 Try a third time. HILLARY"S PRIVATE SERVER ISN"T GOVERNMENT PROPERTY!!!!!

If her private server was government property, why did Trey Gowdy ask for government property to be sent to an independent third party? As a lawyer, Trey Gowdy knows that it isn't GOVERNMENT PROPERTY!!!!!!!

Where was the question answered? I do have to admit that question did change a little. It was my mistake, and it wasn't intention. The original comment was contents on her server was government property, as I stated in post 22. In post 34 and 42, I stated that the server was government property. However, the jest of the question is still the same, whether the server or just the contents were government property doesn't matter. Trey Gowdy asked either of the above be sent to an independent third party. The only logical conclusion is that her private emails aren't government property as was stated in post 17. No one has contracted this. If so, what post?

[QUOTE=Guest;1093729]Post# 17. There IS federal law against what she did. I know because I worked for the Dept of State in IT. QUOTE]

Wow, a GS-335-5 Computer Assistant knows the CFR's? Impressive! :1rotfl:

No one has contracted this. That should be contradicted this. I am sorry, but I had to ruin mister correction's good time in pointing out spelling errors instead of ever addressing the contents of a post. The next time that he doesn't call a person a name will be the first.

The guest format certainly makes conversations like this one hard to follow, but it seems to me that at least one poster here seems to be splitting hairs. The bottom line question in my opinion is, why would anyone NOT want to know if the person seeking the highest office in the land was careless enough to use her personal computer for classified information? Talk about going to the polling booth with blinders on.......how can that not be important information that one would want to know?!?

Who cares

No matter what, we will spend the next 15 months with Ms Clinton, as mentioned earlier, parsing every word as her husband did when he was lying.

And those of you who love this rich, scandal ridden lady will defend her over and over.

She is a liar, manipulator and you seem to be one of her "manipulatees"

How the Democratic Party allowed themselves to get stuck like this is certainly "book worthy"

Every scandal, and every breath of scandal about her, and I do realize that none of this should reflect on her in anyway. It is either that doggone right wing conspiracy or the fault of George Bush.

You can call everyone on here all the names you wish, you are dreaming if you think this is the last scandal or that this woman deserves your trust.

Argue with the parsing, but as in her husbands case, she is not a truthful person, so stand up and be counted.

Excellent point! But, as you have seen by the last presidential election (and possibly the 1st) there are those that do NOT care whether the person is qualified or fit for the job, but just whether or not they promise the golden handout. And, then there was the large black turn out that voted purely because he was black. I am sure that many of his votes came from uninformed voters, because otherwise they would have had to be stupid.

[QUOTE=Guest;1093736]They don't use the GS system of ranking in the State Dept :censored:
But, you got your five minutes of attention. By the way, how much are they paying political trolls today?

I guess if you are wrong, then attack the person, not the subject. Clinton broke federal law. Now it is up to her superiors as to whether or not they treat her as she would have treated anyone working for her, or not. I doubt anything will be done to her. I am sure they will investigate the whistle blower.

Is this still the US? Innocent until proven guilty seems only to apply to Democrats. Splitting hairs! When you are asked a question, how about doing something that is totally out of character, and answer the question. If you haven't noticed, not one Republican here has ever admitted ever being wrong. When they are wrong on a thread, they just stop posting on the thread.


All of President Obama's trumped up scandals, and Hillary's to date don't amount to a pi$$ hole in the snow to people that are open minded. The only thing that they are good for is to give the Republicans in Congress something to do. This enables them to feel good about themselves, and gives them talking points back in the home districts/states.

I think that a lot of Republicans here have a memory of convenience. I seem to be one of her lap dogs. That is truly funny. I am not going to go back and find out how many times I have said the following. Hillary has been running for president since the mid 90's. No woman would stand by her man, after her man subjected her to worldwide humiliation, if she didn't need him for something. Her something was the Senate first, and then the White House becoming multi-millionaires was a side benefit.

If John Kasich isn't the Republicans choice for president, I am going to vote for Donald Duck. I want our next president to be someone that puts party affiliation aside as much as possible, and works with the other side for the good of all Americans. He seems to be the only one now that fits the bill.

The Republicans wouldn't have the control of the Senate and House, if it wasn't for President Obama's color, and Gerrymandering. Voting based on color is a two way street. Does anybody think for a second the Tea Party wasn't given birth, because of His Blackness? I am amazed that anyone would even throw out there that Republicans are the only ones that are well informed, vote base upon a person's record, and the policies that he will bring with him to the White House.

Name Calling! I wasn't on this board five minutes, and was called so many names that I thought they were handing out prices for rudeness here.

You do have a "different" way of seeing things. I really do feel sorry that someone called you a name....just kidding. I don't recall anyone calling you a name. You may have been labeled due to your obnoxious and rude comments to other posters.
If you think that we have a Republican majority in congress due to Obama's color, I can't say what I want to say about your mentality because that really would be rude and my wife would probably pull my ear. Obama has been given more passes than ANY OTHER president in history, save maybe Clinton. No, even more than Clinton. Now, THAT may have been due to his color....probably was. We have a Republican majority in congress due to his and Democrat policies. And if you don't believe that, then do your own poll and ask the voters. Maybe you don't agree with polls unless they favor your party.

But, please don't go away mad.....naw, go ahead. Just kidding.

All I want to do is ask this poster just a few things. Engaging in discussion does not seem to be the strong point of this poster.

1. You level and have leveled some accusations at "Republicans" on this board. How do you know the party affiliation of the posters ?

2. You level a lot of accusations based on the Presidents race, more than once or twice. I find that to be offensive and ask what color has to do with it ? You level the same charge at the Tea Party and before you accuse, I am not a member. THOSE are charges leveled at the lowest street level of democratic politics. They do not, nor ever have had any credence, and allow me once again to express my disgust with your constant talk of race. THAT issue is one brought up only by democrats who do not understand the policies. If you oppose someone and they happen to be black, you are NOT a racist but that seems to be mantra which I thought had begun to die until you.

3. Your comments about trumped up charges that are leveled only at Democrats manifests your total lack of knowledge. And since they do not amount to whatever gross expression you used, then I suppose the majority of americans not trusting your candidate is just as she always says another right wing conspiracy.

There is no perfection in person or party. Your posts are pretty much aimed at one defending another and that is your right, but base it on facts, and not on this stupid divisive race thing. If race was an issue, no matter how many black votes he got he would not be the President.

As far as name calling, you seem to excel and I sure wish we could extend the ignore button to political because you certainly deserve that.

You appear to be loaded with a lot of hate and again, that is ok if you want to unload it here but at least do it with facts.

Your candidate that you defend is not even trusted by most americans, yet you appear to trust her. I am not sure how you arrived at one of your many JUDGEMENTS about innocent before guilty but it sure is not based on any fact at all.

You make this about PARTY on almost every post. Try just once to focus on issues of character and trust. Have you read about the Swiss bank and their ties to the Foundation ? I know, again those doggone Republicans just saying those things. Have you read about all the women who are waiting in the wings to tell us about her hubby, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, what he said about his wife ?

There are more serious character issues involved in this campaign than I can recall ever. I am not speaking of religion, race or anything except SERIOUS character flaws and judgement flaws.

I leave you with the last few sentences of an op ed from today on Hillary Clinton entitled "The astonishing weakness of Hillary Clinton".

"Clinton just seems like a mismatch for the party and the moment. The center-left darling of Wall Street talking up issues of inequality. The former Walmart board member posing as savior of American jobs. The "Smart Power" leader whose achievement at state was wrecking a nation and turning it over to Sunni terrorists faster than George W. Bush. A champion of women who pretended the leader of the free world was the victim of his intern. The wife of a man who flies on the "Lolita Express" with a porn star that was booked for "massages." The vanquisher of a Yonkers mayor.

Is this really the best the Democrats can do? Yes, and that should worry them."

The astonishing weakness of Hillary Clinton

You can call everyone you want a racist,,,,Tea Party, Republicans, etc.....that has been going on since President Obama became a candidate, but for what is it worth, that kind of talk simply makes me stop reading. You claim NOT to be a supporter but spend most of your posts doing just that by attacking anyone who is NOT a supporter.

:BigApplause:

I noticed in the news today (might be old news but it drew my attention) that emails were found on Hillary's server that were addressed to five different intelligent organizations. They also found classified information and that is a violation because she did not have a certified storage facility in her home rated for storage of classified material. On top of that, classified information must be transmitted via encrypted mode of transfer if leaving a classified cleared facility. Now, Hillary could be charged with some very serious violations but I doubt she will be treated the same way as those that worked for her, that might have handled classified material carelessly. She is a blatant violator and will get a pass, no doubt. I wonder if it will even affect her campaign.

The fun thing about the email release is the Hillary haters and the press will spend the week-end pouring over emails looking for that smoking gun, while Hillary will be relaxing in the Hamptons.

BTW: The Clintons today released all their tax returns dating back to 2007. They paid an effective 47% tax rate when state and local taxes were factored in.

Hillary Clinton's doctor also offered a medical report today saying she is 100% healthy enough to be president.

You might be relaxing but Clinton for sure is not.

You forgot to mention that the classified info on her private server is against the law. Her lawyers will try to make it sound like so what she did not do anything illegal.
EXCEPT it was also announced today tha her lawyer has a thhumb drive with the classified documents on it....also very much agaist the law. Even when in a federally secured server it would be against the law for him to have classified documents. So to have a private server, against the law and passing classified documents to a civilian, against the law.....her proare just beginning. She is tainted....damaged goods...a liar...untrustworthy....dishonest.....and her ratings are tanking.....people do not like her including thinking democrats.

Joe Biden, shine up those track shoes......the dems need your help.

To this poster who seems giddy that Ms Clinton is releasing emails in pieces, and that she paid taxes, and is healthy.

Do you really and truely trust this woman ?

Can you speak to the disaster in Libya ? Can you speak to the bank in Switzerland, and I use that only as the last example of influence pandering ? Can you speak to the affair in Benghazi ? Can you speak to her racial rants, validated by police reports both in Arkansas and DC ? Can you speak to those women with whom her husband slept with who are publicly agonizing over her being in the WH ? Can you speak to her "Bill Clinton manner" of parsing little words to protect from criminal behavior ? Can you recall, other than her husband, any candidate for the WH ever having to do that ?

There are many more, but I do not want to ruin your glee in some emails finally being released, and learning she pays taxes and is in good health ?

Can you address the many conflicts in what she says today versus what she did in the past, for example on Wall St. ? Can you speak to her conflicting stands and outright hypocrisy on inequality ?

But she paid taxes, she released a few (less than scheduled) and is in good health, so I guess all is fine in your world.

My gosh! How can anyone in their right mind vote for this candidate? She is entirely without credibility. She cannot tell the truth. She lies. :ohdear:

Oh yeah, her name is Carly Farina!:1rotfl:

The thread is about Ms Clinton, but for me I will cut you a break on one condition....that you cite the lies she told....I am talking specifics. Thanks and then maybe I can share some character stories of truth with links and credits for MS Clinton, but you first.

And frankly i know very little about Ms Fiorina, so it will be helpful to know,

Oh and you misspelled her name....I am sure in error but looking forward to your presentation make general comments about people calling them liars without any back up and then to misspell their name.

Very immature and childish and glad nobody would do that on here.looking forward to reading.

After four or eight years with the Clintons back in the White House, posters on this forum will be looking back at President Obama with fond memories.

Get back in your troll hole and crawl back into your cave. You are not relevant.

I realize that but still look forward to having someone actually back up claims of lies....would be refreshing.

Sorry....I realize that those of us who are beneath your level of understanding and communication do sort of get in the way of adult conversation so will try to be more conscious of your feelings.

Just keep us advised on what you might wear on the first day of school so we can hang out with you and the cool kids.

You are like a broken record. It's as if you only have a few lines of communication that you are capable of expressing and you just keep repeating them over and over and over again. Now look in the mirror and tell us again who is not relevant.

There are three people here that posts are more than one or two paragraphs. They are you, Personal Best Regards, and me. The two of you always read into to my mind, and I am always being accused by you two of not knowing the facts, filled with hate, and name calling. So, that must make me a moron, the devil, and a child. So, I am a triple threat.

I looked for my first post, but couldn't find it. However, I did find one of my first posts, and guess you popped up on it, yourself, and Personal Best Regards. It is on page two Clinton vs who. Go back and read it. It won't take long. These are three the gems there (1) Republicans haven't moved at all. It is the Democrats that have moved far left. (2) Keep drinking the Kool Aid. Your stupid comments (3) Age of Fox news viewers, you are aged bias.

I have been called a racist numerous times. Liar and moron seems to be names of choice. There is one poster has never respond once without calling me a name. His posts are never more than one paragraph long. so, he is a man of few words.

You have no idea what my personality is. None. I have never gotten angry or raised my voice in the past 40 years. I have said it before being loud doesn't make you right. Highlighting words/phrases or coloring them is the same as raising your voice. This post was the first time that I did that out of shear frustration. Go back, and you can see why.

How many times have I asked questions that you couldn't answer? The reason you couldn't answer them was you would have to admit you were wrong. Has any Republican here, we know who the Republicans are, ever admitted to be wrong? If you can't tell, who the Republicans are on this board, you are not looking. Do you think that any Democrat on this board has ever attacked me? I have corrected my mistakes very time that I knew that I made a misstatement. My ego isn't so great that I can't admit that I made a mistake. There is no loss of self-esteem by admitted to a misstatement. People that point out the misstatement aren't going to be reward by going straight to heaven upon death.

Why did Glenn Beck get bounced from Fox News? At the first rally in Washington, how many Tea Party people had posters of President Obama posing as Hitler? "Get our country back! Birthers! Barack Hussane (sp) Obama. You don't think his name, or color sparks racial hatred from the right.

Are blacks racists? You damn right there are, and black racists go back to the 60's, and 70's. We grew up in that period, and we were expected to pay for our fathers sins. At that time, the blacks didn't want to be equal. They wanted to be more equal.

The blacks have their man in there, and they are taking advantage of the situation. Why shouldn't they? The media both left and right are feeding the situation. The core of the Black Lives Matter group will be a problem for years to come no matter who the president is. I am comfortable in my skin, and I know that I am not a racist. Hell, I am a dark Italian. I went back to Boston last summer, and visited my former black banker. She laughed, when she saw me. I was darker than she was.

I am actually having fun here. Sarcasm is my weapon of choice. Am I angry? Not even close.

Given that brevity is the soul of wit, you fail.

How about you go back to 2nd grade ... and learn how to spell?

He is a good example of the ability of the uneducated to secure employment. Being a liberal troll means he can work from home, probably up North somewhere.
Facts elude him, but he doesn't get paid to utilize facts. Give him facts and he will go away. He can only respond by name calling or diverting to simplicity like the old blame Bush repetition.

We have a great community here in the Villages and I have yet to converse with an opposing view, where they would get offensive and rude as this guy. Obviously, he is getting paid to troll website forums and disrupt conversations. :spoken:

Here's some facts:

Clinton was wrong to have a server in her home that she used for gov work. That, in itself is reason for termination of employment.
Clinton was wrong to destroy gov related information instead of turning it over to the gov for disposition. Also reason for termination of employment.
She already left employment so those are moot points
Clinton was wrong to have ANY classified information on her private server. That is a felony and she should serve time. That won't happen.
Clinton was wrong to destroy classified information improperly. Improper destruction of classified information is wrong and reason for termination, but could also be a violation of law, depending on factors involved.
Clinton was wrong to pass on classified information to persons (lawyers?) on a thumb drive, if those persons are not cleared for that information. Once again, mishandling of classified material is reason for termination and possible felony charges.
Clinton made false statements under oath. Violation of law and reason for prosecution.

Clinton is morally and ethically bankrupt. Reason not to trust her.
Clinton treats folks that work for her like crap. Reason not to like her.
Clinton stayed with her husband after his cheating and lies. Reason not to trust her judgement.
Clinton lied about the bengahzi incident and cause. Reason to dislike her.

To the two people that I referred to in my long unbearable post, I know you didn't respond. Take a good look at the people that did. You see what I am up against. This is my first post, since the long one. I am getting blamed for things I didn't do by the people I mentioned in the post.

Please tell me how this reflects well on the Republican's posting here. The few certainly don't the many here, but maybe the many should tell the few to shut the hell up. There is no reason in the world not to be civil with each other. Being civil isn't a sign of weakness.

If this is the same guy, Joe, that has been upset with everyone but himself, please read your posts and share what percentage of them do not mention RACE or some variation of REPUBLICANS ON HERE. you know how people are registered ? There are at minimum 2 democrats bashing Hillary Clinton on here, and there are those sneaks who enjoy posting on both sides and really getting max out of the guest thing.

Your use of or thinking everything is racial or party oriented, for me, is not something I want to deal with.

:cryin2:

You may not like this op ed but it is worthy of a read no matter what side of the aisle you are on...

"With all the media focus on Donald Trump’s antics and the anxiety over the upcoming Republican primary debate, the mainstream media are mostly ignoring the surreal drift of the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton’s troubles. Despite the fact that the Democrats seem to be escaping harsh media scrutiny, this is no easy time for them. In fact, to be considered as a leader who is in sync with the Democratic faithful and the disconnected yet growing left-wing base of the party, you have to put yourself through ideological, intellectual and moral contortions. To be seen as a good Democrat, you have to ignore a lot. You have to pretend a lot."

Most importantly, consider each of these points....

"And in politics, when the facts are bad enough, you don’t have to embellish your opponent’s problems. Today, it is the truth that Democratic candidates and activists have to:

Avoid saying “All lives matter.” Incredibly, that phrase has become controversial.

Pretend that a video of a Planned Parenthood executive swilling wine and stuffing her mouth with salad while nonchalantly talking about how to properly kill an unborn baby in order to harvest its body parts is no big deal.

Pretend that President Obama going to a prison and kibitzing with prisoners is a good use of his time and good imagery. (But if he were to visit a police department to deliver a morale boost, it would rile Democrats everywhere.)

Herald the agreement with Iran as “historic,” enforceable and good for Israel and other U.S. allies.

Fake enthusiasm for Clinton’s presidential campaign, as well as either ignore that she is starting to trail in swing states and that her favorability ratings are dropping or just pretend those aren’t bad omens.

Pretend Clinton appears sincere, effective and honest whenever you see her on TV.

Pretend that it’s okay to shut down part of a Fifth Avenue luxury department store for a $600 haircut while surrounded by a huge entourage, and that it doesn’t take a toll on Clinton’s image.

Act like it is reasonable for Clinton to have a non-position on the Democrats’ threshold issue of the Keystone XL pipeline.

I could go on, but you get my point."



The Insiders: Democrats can

Many, both Republican and Democrat have wondered what has happened to this once great party.

OH, there will be times of good news for democrats...certainly many will try to push their beliefs, whatever they are any more, but watch out...

"Vice President Joe Biden has been holding meetings at his Washington home to discuss challenging Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination, The New York Times reported on Saturday.

Read more: Joe Biden is reportedly considering challenging Hillary - Business Insider

Hillary Clinton might as well throw in the towel right now and avoid any more embarrassment for herself and others. We all knew from the very beginning that being president is a man's job. Women need not apply.