ah...my point.

if one believes that a war is necessary, or even the best possible option, AND one purports to give a rat's behind about "mortgaging our children's future", then it behooves them to find a way to pay for the war as we go.

I fault both sides of the aisle for this. However, as the Obama budget gains momentum, now the GOP, and many who supported the war without supporting paying for it, are playing the "how are we going to pay for this" and "we're mortgaging our children's future" cards.

And herein lies the point under the point, and that is that those who play that card now, rather than when we were preparing for the war, demonstrate that in their minds, it's ok to deficit spend for bombs and bullets, but not for education and health care.

And thus, they lose all credibility with anyone sitting anywhere to the left of their perch on the far, far right. So a lot of moderates who would have voted Republican had the previous administration shown some of it's purported concern for the fiscal viability of future generations said "Screw it! If the Republicans are just going to **** away (pardon my French) the future for a war we don't agree with, then we might as well elect Obama, who may very well do the same thing, but at least it won't be for the purpose of killing people."

Originally Posted by dklassen

You keep harping on the same thing over and over. The war, the war, the war.

BTW, Bush didn't start this war, the terrorists did. Also don't forget that Congress overwhelmingly voted for and supported it including the Democrats, so only calling our the name of Bush is yet another whitewash.

The war on terror didn't put us in this financial mess. The Democrats did starting with Fannie and Freddie and their lies telling the American people there was absolutely nothing wrong.

Bush, McCain and many others knew we were heading for problems and the Democrats (who controlled congress) blocked every attempt to fix it.

Our problem isn't paying the off the war, our problem is paying off the trillions of NEW spending from Obama including his massive government growth, his pet social programs, the continuing bailout of auto companies that are going bankrupt anyway and other billions and billions of other dollars that are going down the toilet.

Our taxes aren't going up to pay for Bush, our taxes are going up to pay for Obama.

And here's a scary fact... the total federal income tax revenues for FY 2008 were UNDER 300 billion.... about 140 billion less than 2007. (600 thousand unemployed not paying taxes). Our govt is making less, spending more (a LOT more). Yesterday I heard that GM would get 40 billion more AFTER bankruptcy and the gov't would own 70%. So, if we collected 300 billion in taxes last year looks like 1/5 of it will go to GM alone. Folks, in 10 years a loaf of bread will cost 20 dollars.

Originally Posted by Laker14

ah...my point.

if one believes that a war is necessary, or even the best possible option, AND one purports to give a rat's behind about "mortgaging our children's future", then it behooves them to find a way to pay for the war as we go.

I fault both sides of the aisle for this. However, as the Obama budget gains momentum, now the GOP, and many who supported the war without supporting paying for it, are playing the "how are we going to pay for this" and "we're mortgaging our children's future" cards.

And herein lies the point under the point, and that is that those who play that card now, rather than when we were preparing for the war, demonstrate that in their minds, it's ok to deficit spend for bombs and bullets, but not for education and health care.

And thus, they lose all credibility with anyone sitting anywhere to the left of their perch on the far, far right. So a lot of moderates who would have voted Republican had the previous administration shown some of it's purported concern for the fiscal viability of future generations said "Screw it! If the Republicans are just going to **** away (pardon my French) the future for a war we don't agree with, then we might as well elect Obama, who may very well do the same thing, but at least it won't be for the purpose of killing people."

It is not simply the GOP...the budget is so heart stopping, there are Democrats flinching ! This is historic in its size...it dwarfs any other expenses we have had in the history of the country !

I have just read through this whole thread and I cannot figure out why someone is comparing the money we spend to defend ourselves with the money that is being spent on foolishness. This new administration has a socialist agenda. Period.

Keedy

Originally Posted by Keedy

I have just read through this whole thread and I cannot figure out why someone is comparing the money we spend to defend ourselves with the money that is being spent on foolishness. This new administration has a socialist agenda. Period.

Keedy

THANK you Keedy.....as I said earlier...there is ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE WHATSOEVER
!

I think LAKER14 just got tired of the complainingg about all the money being spent and he/she is still hung up on the Iraq situation and thus the comments. And I wonder if LAKER14 has read where all that doggone money is going and what not spent....aimed at going !

I have just read through this whole thread and I cannot figure out why someone is comparing the money we spend to defend ourselves with the money that is being spent on foolishness. This new administration has a socialist agenda. Period.

Amen to that.

Originally Posted by dklassen

You keep harping on the same thing over and over. The war, the war, the war.

BTW, Bush didn't start this war, the terrorists did. Also don't forget that Congress overwhelmingly voted for and supported it including the Democrats, so only calling our the name of Bush is yet another whitewash.

The war on terror didn't put us in this financial mess. The Democrats did starting with Fannie and Freddie and their lies telling the American people there was absolutely nothing wrong.

Bush, McCain and many others knew we were heading for problems and the Democrats (who controlled congress) blocked every attempt to fix it.

Our problem isn't paying the off the war, our problem is paying off the trillions of NEW spending from Obama including his massive government growth, his pet social programs, the continuing bailout of auto companies that are going bankrupt anyway and other billions and billions of other dollars that are going down the toilet.

Our taxes aren't going up to pay for Bush, our taxes are going up to pay for Obama.

Well said

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

Originally Posted by Keedy

I have just read through this whole thread and I cannot figure out why someone is comparing the money we spend to defend ourselves with the money that is being spent on foolishness. This new administration has a socialist agenda. Period.

Keedy

Amen, ditto

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

Your question reminds me of the old pearl, "Do you still beat your wife?" Yes or no.