For those that want to cancel healthcare:

1. Are you willing to deny care for those without cash or insurance?

2. If no to 1. are we not paying for it anyway?

I look at it in simple math and may be wrong, but I am not alone one this.

Are you kidding me??? Where have you been? Those without insurance and/or cash are NOT denied in this country. Walk into any emergency room hospital and look around. Matter of fact wait in line while those who are here ILLEGALLY are in front of you!! What a joke.

If God forbid the Joker gets in again, you can kiss your health care goodbye, your doctors and nurses too!! Great life, socialism !!

Absolutely wrong!!!

"If God forbid the Joker gets in again, you can kiss your health care goodbye, your doctors and nurses too!!"

I do not see any conservative posters on here chastising you on "cute or obnoxious names" for public figures. Does not bother me as it bothers them.

However, what proof do you have about kissing healthcare, doctors, and nurses goodbye? I did see a TeaParty poll that was faxed to doctors and the percentage of doctors that said they were going to retire if ACA came in, were from doctors of retirement age. Totally bogus poll.

Remember, the same was said of HMO's when they first appeared. They provide excellent care. I wish I had my Kaiser HMO available in The Villages.

ObamaCare was created in a partisan and back room environment comprised of well over 2,000 pages that is going to have an affect on 6% of our GDP.

ObamaCare is not about chnages in health care. ObamaCare is about drastic changes in insurance coverage. There is materially no change to our weary health care system. All ObamaCare has accomplished is to add several million more people who now have access to a broader cafateria of benefits that is going to negatively affect an already broken health care system.

In addition it is going to have a adverse affect on citizens insurance. And to add insult to injury ObamaCare is going to raise or create 21 new/revised taxes. The CBO has already disputed Team Obama's cost and tax projections which are clearly to the deteriment to taxpayers. It is clear at this juncture that treatment will eventually have to be rationed not only from a cost aspect but also because the health care system will not be able to sustain the heavy patient loads.

This another one of those issues that causes my brow to furrow when I see or hear confuse citizens in a congratualtory mode. Hmmmmmmmm

I had an experience recently that highlights the issue with not requiring everyone to have health insurance. I had routine blood work done at the hospital. In the past six months I had the same blood work done at the doctor's office. The hospital charged me $426.40 while the doctor's office charged me $57.34 for the exact same blood tests.

I have insurance except I have a high deductible policy ($5000) which costs me $6000 per year. So as I am responsible for these charges, I contacted the hospital administration and asked them to justify these exorbitant charges. This is, in part, the response: "Hospitals provide a guaranteed access point for emergency needs, where care is provided to patients regardless their ability to pay. This is a factor considered in setting hospital charges for all hospitals."

One thing that I found very interesting is if I had not had a high deductible policy - based on the explanation of benefits, my insurance company would have been required to pay the $426.40 charge. I also wonder what Medicare would have paid for this service. When I had company paid, no deductible insurance, I won't have given this exorbitant charge a second thought. And I wonder how many Medicare recipients actually look at what is being charged not simply at what they are required to pay.

Everyone needs health insurance so that hospitals can no longer use this as an excuse to inflate charges that everyone, particularly those with health insurance and those taxpayers who are paying for Medicare. I also think that those with health insurance (public or private) need to be smarter consumers and not just simply think, a third party is paying for this so I don't have to care what the costs are.

Originally Posted by hulababy

Are you kidding me??? Where have you been? Those without insurance and/or cash are NOT denied in this country. Walk into any emergency room hospital and look around. Matter of fact wait in line while those who are here ILLEGALLY are in front of you!! What a joke.

If God forbid the Joker gets in again, you can kiss your health care goodbye, your doctors and nurses too!! Great life, socialism !!

and you picture the Illegals not being in the ER after the election if your guy wins?

Originally Posted by Posh 08

and you picture the Illegals not being in the ER after the election if your guy wins?

so true

The people who do the most complaining about The Affordable Care Act are people who either have Medicare or their own private insurance. Wouldn't it be interesting to hear from the 50 million who don't have insurance who will be able to purchase it from the exchanges starting in 2014. Would also like to hear from the women who are now eligible for free preventive services, effective Aug 1, 2012, and also those young people who are allowed to stay on their parents insurance policies until they are 26 years old.

How about people with pre-existing conditions who can't be discriminated against or people who can't be dropped because you got sick, or people who won't have lifetime caps put on their insurance? Let's hear from some of these individuals about how they feel about the ACA and not from people on Medicare.

These are all facets of the ACA that Mitt Romney will be taking away from people when he repeals the ACA as promised, with no promises of any replacement.

Originally Posted by janmcn

The people who do the most complaining about The Affordable Care Act are people who either have Medicare or their own private insurance. Wouldn't it be interesting to hear from the 50 million who don't have insurance who will be able to purchase it from the exchanges starting in 2014. Would also like to hear from the women who are now eligible for free preventive services, effective Aug 1, 2012, and also those young people who are allowed to stay on their parents insurance policies until they are 26 years old.

How about people with pre-existing conditions who can't be discriminated against or people who can't be dropped because you got sick, or people who won't have lifetime caps put on their insurance? Let's hear from some of these individuals about how they feel about the ACA and not from people on Medicare.

These are all facets of the ACA that Mitt Romney will be taking away from people when he repeals the ACA as promised, with no promises of any replacement.

20-30 years from now the US will look back at the AHCA and consider it landmark legislation and folks will wonder why so many right wingers opposed such a positive step for our society.

Originally Posted by janmcn

The people who do the most complaining about The Affordable Care Act are people who either have Medicare or their own private insurance. Wouldn't it be interesting to hear from the 50 million who don't have insurance who will be able to purchase it from the exchanges starting in 2014. Would also like to hear from the women who are now eligible for free preventive services, effective Aug 1, 2012, and also those young people who are allowed to stay on their parents insurance policies until they are 26 years old.

How about people with pre-existing conditions who can't be discriminated against or people who can't be dropped because you got sick, or people who won't have lifetime caps put on their insurance? Let's hear from some of these individuals about how they feel about the ACA and not from people on Medicare.

These are all facets of the ACA that Mitt Romney will be taking away from people when he repeals the ACA as promised, with no promises of any replacement.

That's the way the Country is going. The "haves" saying to Hell with the "have nots". There are folks that would have people suffering with no insurance or sitting for hours in the ER. We all pay for that BTW. I agree though that the ones that have coverage are the most vocal. What do they care?

Originally Posted by DaleMN

20-30 years from now the US will look back at the AHCA and consider it landmark legislation and folks will wonder why so many right wingers opposed such a positive step for our society.

20-30 years from now if ObamaCare was not repealed in 2012/13 the country will be related to a third world status.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

20-30 years from now the US will look back at the AHCA and consider it landmark legislation and folks will wonder why so many right wingers opposed such a positive step for our society.

You are absolutely right. I would love to see the right come up with a more human way to kill off poor people rather than making them suffer and die without medical help just because they are poor.

I mean; even the good Samaritan act requires us to help someone in distress, come on Right wing, Have a heart.

Originally Posted by janmcn

The people who do the most complaining about The Affordable Care Act are people who either have Medicare or their own private insurance. Wouldn't it be interesting to hear from the 50 million who don't have insurance who will be able to purchase it from the exchanges starting in 2014. Would also like to hear from the women who are now eligible for free preventive services, effective Aug 1, 2012, and also those young people who are allowed to stay on their parents insurance policies until they are 26 years old.

How about people with pre-existing conditions who can't be discriminated against or people who can't be dropped because you got sick, or people who won't have lifetime caps put on their insurance? Let's hear from some of these individuals about how they feel about the ACA and not from people on Medicare.

These are all facets of the ACA that Mitt Romney will be taking away from people when he repeals the ACA as promised, with no promises of any replacement.

The 50 million figure is inflated it is more like 10 million all of whom have access to health care. No one is arguing against dropping pre-existing limitation including uber -con. Lifetime caps are seldom if ever met.

When the Supreme Court ruled ObamaCare individual mandate a tax health care stock went through the roof...meaning that if people believe hosiptals et al over charge now just wait until the government completely takes over.

There are many people and corporations that believe it is cheaper to pay the penalty then to join ObamaCare.

Clearly we need to make adjustments to our present healthcare system but to throw the baby out with the bathwater and into a money pit no less is just not economically smart