NRA: National Reciprocity for Concealed Carry Moving Forward

"Concealed carry reciprocity legislation recognizes that Americans’ Second Amendment right to bear arms doesn’t end at their states’ borders. While most states already recognize this and have provisions allowing for reciprocity for concealed carry permits from other jurisdiction, a minority of antigun states have made a point of arresting out-of-state residents who carry or transport otherwise lawfully owned firearms in their jurisdictions."

Originally Posted by Guest

NRA: National Reciprocity for Concealed Carry Moving Forward

"Concealed carry reciprocity legislation recognizes that Americans’ Second Amendment right to bear arms doesn’t end at their states’ borders. While most states already recognize this and have provisions allowing for reciprocity for concealed carry permits from other jurisdiction, a minority of antigun states have made a point of arresting out-of-state residents who carry or transport otherwise lawfully owned firearms in their jurisdictions."

The flipside of this proposal is obvious. If the least regulated state can issue a permit which all other states must then recognize then that single state controls the entire country. Example:
State A decides under say NRA pressure to have a policy that all persons age 12 and older can sign up at their local super market for an automatically issued permit. That state decides that this permit is a separate concern from buying a gun and leave the regulation of gun buying to the present federal statute. No ID to get a permit, no background checks, no insurance requirement, no citizenship requirement, no felony, mental health, or spousal abuse concerns. There just is a form you sign saying I am not restricted from possession of a gun, and the permit is issued.

Why should all the other states recognize such a permit as valid when those other states want to have better control over the guns in their states?

How about instead a proposal setting minimum standards and they would include:
Requiring a course on safety
Requiring rules on storage and trigger locks
Requiring insurance [should be cheap as CC holders never cause problems or have issues with their guns]
Requiring proficiency testing
No automatic issue for cops or military
Full background checks including mental health
Requiring holders to submit to random drug and alcohol testing
Requiring psychological screening every x years
Requiring disclosure of charges not just convictions for domestic abuse.
Automatic forfeiture of your permit if you "lose" your gun, or leave in the bathroom at Mc Donalds, or accidently shoot yourself while demonstrating the gun for a friend, or take it through TSA screening or in any other way demonstrate that you are less than 100 percent safe with your weapon.

I could go on.

I thought those on the right were totally in on State's Rights?

Originally Posted by Guest

The flipside of this proposal is obvious. If the least regulated state can issue a permit which all other states must then recognize then that single state controls the entire country. Example:
State A decides under say NRA pressure to have a policy that all persons age 12 and older can sign up at their local super market for an automatically issued permit. That state decides that this permit is a separate concern from buying a gun and leave the regulation of gun buying to the present federal statute. No ID to get a permit, no background checks, no insurance requirement, no citizenship requirement, no felony, mental health, or spousal abuse concerns. There just is a form you sign saying I am not restricted from possession of a gun, and the permit is issued.

Why should all the other states recognize such a permit as valid when those other states want to have better control over the guns in their states?

How about instead a proposal setting minimum standards and they would include:
Requiring a course on safety
Requiring rules on storage and trigger locks
Requiring insurance [should be cheap as CC holders never cause problems or have issues with their guns]
Requiring proficiency testing
No automatic issue for cops or military
Full background checks including mental health
Requiring holders to submit to random drug and alcohol testing
Requiring psychological screening every x years
Requiring disclosure of charges not just convictions for domestic abuse.
Automatic forfeiture of your permit if you "lose" your gun, or leave in the bathroom at Mc Donalds, or accidently shoot yourself while demonstrating the gun for a friend, or take it through TSA screening or in any other way demonstrate that you are less than 100 percent safe with your weapon.

I could go on.

I thought those on the right were totally in on State's Rights?

To play the Devils Advocate:

Let change this from "gun permit" to marriage permit. How about gay marriage? States wanted control over that, the feds said no. So the states should lose here too?

How about all those rules for driving a car too...it's MORE dangerous to everyone than a gun. All kinds of drivers shouldn't be driving.

How about your last condition...you lose your license if you do something stupid with your car.

A whole lot more people get killed by BAD drivers than by guns...a WHOLE lot more...even counting the blacks killing each other in the inner cities.

It's a red herring when it comes to deadliness and risk. We have good enough gun control.

Originally Posted by Guest

The flipside of this proposal is obvious. If the least regulated state can issue a permit which all other states must then recognize then that single state controls the entire country. Example:
State A decides under say NRA pressure to have a policy that all persons age 12 and older can sign up at their local super market for an automatically issued permit. That state decides that this permit is a separate concern from buying a gun and leave the regulation of gun buying to the present federal statute. No ID to get a permit, no background checks, no insurance requirement, no citizenship requirement, no felony, mental health, or spousal abuse concerns. There just is a form you sign saying I am not restricted from possession of a gun, and the permit is issued.

Why should all the other states recognize such a permit as valid when those other states want to have better control over the guns in their states?

How about instead a proposal setting minimum standards and they would include:
Requiring a course on safety
Requiring rules on storage and trigger locks
Requiring insurance [should be cheap as CC holders never cause problems or have issues with their guns]
Requiring proficiency testing
No automatic issue for cops or military
Full background checks including mental health
Requiring holders to submit to random drug and alcohol testing
Requiring psychological screening every x years
Requiring disclosure of charges not just convictions for domestic abuse.
Automatic forfeiture of your permit if you "lose" your gun, or leave in the bathroom at Mc Donalds, or accidently shoot yourself while demonstrating the gun for a friend, or take it through TSA screening or in any other way demonstrate that you are less than 100 percent safe with your weapon.

I could go on.

I thought those on the right were totally in on State's Rights?

I wonder if you are really considering the point that every state has an individual state driving permit and license tags, all having different criteria for rules of the road and personal qualifications of eligibility for obtaining a license? And yet, all states have an age old reciprocal agreement, where you can drive in any state with a different state registration and license.

You do make some good points, even though they are easily compensated for.

Originally Posted by Guest

To play the Devils Advocate:

Let change this from "gun permit" to marriage permit. How about gay marriage? States wanted control over that, the feds said no. So the states should lose here too?

How about all those rules for driving a car too...it's MORE dangerous to everyone than a gun. All kinds of drivers shouldn't be driving.

How about your last condition...you lose your license if you do something stupid with your car.

A whole lot more people get killed by BAD drivers than by guns...a WHOLE lot more...even counting the blacks killing each other in the inner cities.

It's a red herring when it comes to deadliness and risk. We have good enough gun control.

This is not a one rule pertains to every situation. We're talking gun carry ONLY, not marriage and not driving. Most of the states already have a reciprocal agreement for concealed carry. Too many folks that legally carry, find themselves in trouble when they drive across country and one state has slightly different gun laws than another. Maryland has started to check out of state vehicle tags to see if the driver might have a CCW permit, and then stop them to see if they are carrying in Maryland, which does not allow reciprocal CCW. Try proving that they had no right to stop and ask you if you were carrying in court. The problem results when a quick computer record check of your license reveals your CCW permit.

Originally Posted by Guest

This is not a one rule pertains to every situation. We're talking gun carry ONLY, not marriage and not driving. Most of the states already have a reciprocal agreement for concealed carry. Too many folks that legally carry, find themselves in trouble when they drive across country and one state has slightly different gun laws than another. Maryland has started to check out of state vehicle tags to see if the driver might have a CCW permit, and then stop them to see if they are carrying in Maryland, which does not allow reciprocal CCW. Try proving that they had no right to stop and ask you if you were carrying in court. The problem results when a quick computer record check of your license reveals your CCW permit.

Yes...I understand...you are talking about CCW permits.

The question is...does the fed make ALL states accept each others or can the states decide?

Well...since it's the ONLY piece of personal property specifically stipulated as a "right to bear" in the Constitution...I say yes, blanket reciprocity.