These are all good points. Having Gingrich as the nominee will ensure a dem win. We might be able to stomach Romney....but Newtie. No way. I sure don't want someone like him anywhere need the red button.....

Originally Posted by rubicon

Well the swing through Florida is going to be a real eye opener for Republican voters.

Romney just released his tax returns and paid an effective 13.9% on 21 million. I know I know its investment income. but voters are going to want answers about the 190 to 250 million he made at Bain, more specifically how. they are also going to watch his reactions to claims made against he and Scott and again specifically his responses.

Bottom line is that it does matter what the truth is but Romney may have too many problems to survive. He can't and won't repeal ObamaCare because he won't admit romneyCare was a failed initiative. He is the poster child for Obama's attack on the greedy 1%. He is robotic in his responses which leaves people with the impression that he is insincere,

His record in MA clearly establishes that he acted more as a liberal to moderate democrat than a conservative republican.

Contrast that Newt has bold initiatives. His response to Obama. The pertient question is will it be enough?

Its not important that individuals including me are right in predicitng whom will be the republican candidate. It is important that it was right because the stakes are as high as they have ever been

Originally Posted by rubicon

Well the swing through Florida is going to be a real eye opener for Republican voters.

Romney just released his tax returns and paid an effective 13.9% on 21 million. I know I know its investment income. but voters are going to want answers about the 190 to 250 million he made at Bain, more specifically how. they are also going to watch his reactions to claims made against he and Scott and again specifically his responses.

Bottom line is that it does matter what the truth is but Romney may have too many problems to survive. He can't and won't repeal ObamaCare because he won't admit romneyCare was a failed initiative. He is the poster child for Obama's attack on the greedy 1%. He is robotic in his responses which leaves people with the impression that he is insincere,

His record in MA clearly establishes that he acted more as a liberal to moderate democrat than a conservative republican.

Contrast that Newt has bold initiatives. His response to Obama. The pertient question is will it be enough?

Its not important that individuals including me are right in predicitng whom will be the republican candidate. It is important that it was right because the stakes are as high as they have ever been

Good post, but to the point that he won't repeal the healthcare law, he has SAID that he would and could because he believes each state should decide independently, what kind of healthcare initiatives they want. That gets him off the hook for repudiating the healthcare intitiatives he put in place in Mass. Now, can he, or any of the candidates be trusted to do what they say? There is the trillion dollar question (used to be million but inflation has made that chicken-feed).

I just don't accept that because a clean candidate who happens to be wealthy can be overlooked because of his wealth and taxes and how much he earned however he earned it....legally for Gingrich. That to me is stooping over a dollar to pick up a crusty/rusty penny.

Why is it we do not care how all the other millionaires in Washington made their money? Or how much the paid or didn't pay? Absolutely ridiculous reasoning. It reflects exactly what the media is hyping....with no intelligence involved what so ever.

If the same microscope was turned on the rest of Washington not many would pass the test.

And unfortunately Romney will not get a free pass or supression of negatives like Obama did and continues to have.

How about Romney brings to the party what no other candidate does including and especially Obama? Romney understands what running a business involves...revenue...costs...budgeting...accountab ility...responsibility,,,income statements and balance sheets. Business basics that are non existent in Washington.

Romney is the only candidate capable of doing for this country what he has aptly shown he can do for other businesses and himself. The other candidates and Obama? Politicians conducting business as usual.

Romney hands down for those who want to be a part of starting a very long process of healing the ills of this country.

btk

He didn't want to release his tax returns and now we know why. The tax rate of 13.9% pretty bad as compare to the middleclass. But there is only one reason for having a Swiss back account.

And we all know what that is.....

Originally Posted by cologal

He didn't want to release his tax returns and now we know why. The tax rate of 13.9% pretty bad as compare to the middleclass. But there is only one reason for having a Swiss back account.

And we all know what that is.....

That reflects a 15% long term capital gains rate less a few deductions. Newt has proposed a 0% capital gains rate, which would result in Mitt and folks like him paying no income taxes.

The middle class and other working people pay taxes on wages earned. Wages earned is only one source of income. Middle class and others who have their nest eggs invested do not pay the same rate of taxation on their investment earnings as they do on wages earned.

Romney like anybody who does not work for wages earned pay the going tax rate for the various investment schemes available to all folks.

Romney like all the others in his tier of income do pay a very hefty tax bill as Romney has done.

The media and mud slingers will not attempt to clarify for we the people the differences in tax rates. They will continue to play on the uninformed and those who only parrot what the media peddles.

I guess some would say do the math...35% on $50-75,000 or 15% on multi millions. And the fair share is what?

More power to those who earned it and pay their taxes. If we would recall there were and are several in the current administration guilty of evading/not paying. These are the folks who are making sure we the people do what is required...perfect role models for go ahead and see if you can get away with it.

DOn't we all go through preparing our taxes each year doing our best to see what we can qualify for to not have to pay any more than we have to....millionaires do exactly the same. It starts with looking in the mirror and not casting a stone at others.

btk

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

As Zig Ziglar once said, "If you beleive infidelity is okay I would be glad to debate that point with you on television in your home town".

In all due respect given the state of affairs (pun intended) concerning marriage today, the higher divorce percentage and boys and girls misbehaving being the new norm do you really believe that ziggy's axiom still holds.

Just saying

Romney is withholding a substantial portion of his portfolio. Like Obama secretiveness it draws questions as to why???

I am sorry elitist annoy me and Romney is an elitist. Elitist like Romney, CEO's, etc are the black mark on capitalism. Some will say well, "its a risk reward system" but the problem with that scenario is these guys know how to transfer risk to others and yet reap all the rewards.

Where is Romney hiding his money? Just watch you comes to his aid

Originally Posted by rubicon

In all due respect given the state of affairs (pun intended) concerning marriage today, the higher divorce percentage and boys and girls misbehaving being the new norm do you really believe that ziggy's axiom still holds.

Just saying

He was good that day but I saw him maybe 20 years ago.

Originally Posted by billethkid

The middle class and other working people pay taxes on wages earned. Wages earned is only one source of income. Middle class and others who have their nest eggs invested do not pay the same rate of taxation on their investment earnings as they do on wages earned.

Romney like anybody who does not work for wages earned pay the going tax rate for the various investment schemes available to all folks.

Romney like all the others in his tier of income do pay a very hefty tax bill as Romney has done.

The media and mud slingers will not attempt to clarify for we the people the differences in tax rates. They will continue to play on the uninformed and those who only parrot what the media peddles.

I guess some would say do the math...35% on $50-75,000 or 15% on multi millions. And the fair share is what?

More power to those who earned it and pay their taxes. If we would recall there were and are several in the current administration guilty of evading/not paying. These are the folks who are making sure we the people do what is required...perfect role models for go ahead and see if you can get away with it.

DOn't we all go through preparing our taxes each year doing our best to see what we can qualify for to not have to pay any more than we have to....millionaires do exactly the same. It starts with looking in the mirror and not casting a stone at others.

btk

This just points out that the tax code is broken there are to many set asides, loop hole, tax havens etc. I personally pay about 5% more of a rate than Romney.

I kinda favor the flat tax....everybody pays the same rate.

Originally Posted by rubicon

In all due respect given the state of affairs (pun intended) concerning marriage today, the higher divorce percentage and boys and girls misbehaving being the new norm do you really believe that ziggy's axiom still holds.

Just saying

I do, absolutely. Despite the different cultural mores of the day, it is still my opinion that adultery is a sin. I believe all major religions still preach that it is sinful. By the way, Zig is in bad shape, my daughter went to see him last year and was very disappointed as his daughter mostly talked for him as he sat on the stage. My daughter had grown up listening to my Ziglar tapes and was really looking forward to seeing him in person. I saw him, in person, five times in the 80s and 90s and he was by far the best speaker I have ever seen. I probably had 20-30 of his tapes that I played on road trips.

zig ziglar - Bing Videos

Originally Posted by cologal

This just points out that the tax code is broken there are to many set asides, loop hole, tax havens etc. I personally pay about 5% more of a rate than Romney.

I kinda favor the flat tax....everybody pays the same rate.

A fair tax appears fairer and uncomplicated. However, when has what a politician/government official said actually been what they represented?
Never. Clearly the tax system awards only those who can afford to research the loop holes and/or have access to places were you can hide money. Or you represent that 45% portion who don't pay any taxes. No matter what tax system is in place middle america will pay and pay and pay relative to their income/investments

I keep forgetting to mention that the claim of I am a successful businessman and will get this economy growing and jobs,.....by Romney does hold water.
It doesn't hold water unfortunately because the government is not a business and doesn't rum like one. So a presidents needs to know how to get head strong congressmen and women to work with him. good luck with that

Originally Posted by buggyone

Eweissenbach got the point just perfectly. Very easy to understand.

Sorry....still dont get the point. Can you name ONE...just ONE single debate primaries that there is not that kind of preparation...it is standard fair and my question was because I just assumed that everyone knew that !!!!

Romney should stop wasting his time and money trying to convince us Newt is crooked. Doesn't he know we elected the biggest Medicare crook of all time our governor?