The vast amount of refugees from Syria is quickly becoming a world wide problem.

In Switzerland...

"The anti-immigration Swiss People's Party (SVP) won the biggest share of the vote in Sunday's national parliamentary election, keeping pressure on Bern to introduce quotas on people moving from the European Union."

Anti-immigration party wins Swiss election in 'slide to the Right' - Telegraph

In Germany

"Germany's PEGIDA movement holds an anti-migrant rally Monday a year on from its formation, highlighting a European backlash towards a massive influx that has heaped pressure on Chancellor Angela Merkel."



German anti-migrant rally highlights European backlash - Yahoo News

In Turkey

"Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Monday his country was "not a concentration camp" and would not host migrants permanently to appease the EU, which wants Turkey to stop the flow of people to Europe."

Turkey 'not concentration camp', won't host migrants permanently: PM - Yahoo News

Some reasons for this....

From Austria

"When you dare to take a look at the border town of Nickelsdorf, population 1,600, you will literally be blown away: uncontrolled, illegal migrants wherever you look, and an orgy of garbage and feces of unparalleled dimensions."


Austrian Town of 1,600 Drowns in Migrant Feces and Garbage (Video) - The Gateway Pundit

From Germany

"With the approach of winter, authorities are scrambling to find warm places to stay for the thousands of refugees streaming into Germany every day. In desperation, they have turned to sports halls, youth hostels and empty office buildings."

As winter looms, Germany struggles to find homes for refugees | Reuters

And as England tries to cope they come under the criticism of Muslims.

"British Prime Minister David Cameron unveiled a new strategy on Monday to combat extremism, saying the battle was "perhaps the "defining one of this century", but his proposals were condemned by Muslims as demonizing their communities and set to fail."


https://ca.news.yahoo.com/muslims-co...115933511.html

Meanwhile here in the USA....

"WASHINGTON — President Obama, under increasing pressure to demonstrate that the United States is joining European nations in the effort to resettle Syrian refugees, has told his administration to take in at least 10,000 displaced Syrians over the next year."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/11/wo...gees.html?_r=0

I am often criticized for posting links to stories I read about what is happening in the world. Back a few years, I posted link after link on here about what was happening in Syria and was being ignored; about the children being gassed in the streets and the lack of attention to that.

i did not get many, if any, replies to those threads and not many reads.

This is not an indictment of President Obama as so many will read it, but an indictment of the American people along with his attitude.

It is now a world wide problem and if you think it will not affect our borders, not affect what is happening in this world, you are just not paying attention.

You do not have to read any of this stuff, but folks..

The world is on fire, and our leaders, and us, are all caught up in our own shorts as if anyone in the world cares. Syria now joins Iraq, Yemen, Libya and many others have simply ceased to exist as they were.

If you are saying "why should we care", then you are naive. As Israel deals with terrorism on a daily basis which in the future will grow with funds from Iran, you cannot possibly think all of this hate will remain in the middle east.

I am not a war monger, but we need to show a presence in the middle east. We need to show that we really care about what is happening. We, as a country need to be involved before we are forced to get involved.

Sorry, now back to the gossip of the day. I get messages always telling me that I should not be such a worrier but all of this was predicted years ago.

In Hungary

" Hungary said Monday its shutdown of the border with Croatia had put a stop to the influx of migrants and refugees."

Hungary says migrant influx 'stops' - Yahoo News

The world is so much smaller these days.

Do we really think that these problems are not coming our way.

Originally Posted by Guest

The vast amount of refugees from Syria is quickly becoming a world wide problem.

In Switzerland...

"The anti-immigration Swiss People's Party (SVP) won the biggest share of the vote in Sunday's national parliamentary election, keeping pressure on Bern to introduce quotas on people moving from the European Union."

Anti-immigration party wins Swiss election in 'slide to the Right' - Telegraph

In Germany

"Germany's PEGIDA movement holds an anti-migrant rally Monday a year on from its formation, highlighting a European backlash towards a massive influx that has heaped pressure on Chancellor Angela Merkel."



German anti-migrant rally highlights European backlash - Yahoo News

In Turkey

"Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Monday his country was "not a concentration camp" and would not host migrants permanently to appease the EU, which wants Turkey to stop the flow of people to Europe."

Turkey 'not concentration camp', won't host migrants permanently: PM - Yahoo News

Some reasons for this....

From Austria

"When you dare to take a look at the border town of Nickelsdorf, population 1,600, you will literally be blown away: uncontrolled, illegal migrants wherever you look, and an orgy of garbage and feces of unparalleled dimensions."


Austrian Town of 1,600 Drowns in Migrant Feces and Garbage (Video) - The Gateway Pundit

From Germany

"With the approach of winter, authorities are scrambling to find warm places to stay for the thousands of refugees streaming into Germany every day. In desperation, they have turned to sports halls, youth hostels and empty office buildings."

As winter looms, Germany struggles to find homes for refugees | Reuters

And as England tries to cope they come under the criticism of Muslims.

"British Prime Minister David Cameron unveiled a new strategy on Monday to combat extremism, saying the battle was "perhaps the "defining one of this century", but his proposals were condemned by Muslims as demonizing their communities and set to fail."


https://ca.news.yahoo.com/muslims-co...115933511.html

Meanwhile here in the USA....

"WASHINGTON — President Obama, under increasing pressure to demonstrate that the United States is joining European nations in the effort to resettle Syrian refugees, has told his administration to take in at least 10,000 displaced Syrians over the next year."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/11/wo...gees.html?_r=0

I am often criticized for posting links to stories I read about what is happening in the world. Back a few years, I posted link after link on here about what was happening in Syria and was being ignored; about the children being gassed in the streets and the lack of attention to that.

i did not get many, if any, replies to those threads and not many reads.

This is not an indictment of President Obama as so many will read it, but an indictment of the American people along with his attitude.

It is now a world wide problem and if you think it will not affect our borders, not affect what is happening in this world, you are just not paying attention.

You do not have to read any of this stuff, but folks..

The world is on fire, and our leaders, and us, are all caught up in our own shorts as if anyone in the world cares. Syria now joins Iraq, Yemen, Libya and many others have simply ceased to exist as they were.

If you are saying "why should we care", then you are naive. As Israel deals with terrorism on a daily basis which in the future will grow with funds from Iran, you cannot possibly think all of this hate will remain in the middle east.

I am not a war monger, but we need to show a presence in the middle east. We need to show that we really care about what is happening. We, as a country need to be involved before we are forced to get involved.

Sorry, now back to the gossip of the day. I get messages always telling me that I should not be such a worrier but all of this was predicted years ago.

How can we, the USA have any credibility in helping other countries when our own house (the USA) is in complete disaray over the same subject.

Wide open borders, no enforcement of immigration laws, cost to house, educate and accomodate the illegals spiraling out of control, etc.

How can we possibly demonstrate we care to the outside world when we stand idly by doing nothing on the same subject here in the USA.

You are confusing a moral outlook with a political outlook. Morally what we are doing is wrong from almost any perspective. It is also illegal.
But since it is politically expediant and agenda supporting....that is all that is needed to make it OK especially for the perpetrator Obama.

And his success is compounded by the silent majority.

No, we have little or nothing to offer other countries other than to take more in here....another politically motivated decision.

Sad to say. Obama gets what he wants and the silent majority gets what it deserves!!!!

The best answer for illegal immigration is guns on the border.

We are kind of like a full lifeboat. We would love to help everyone, but if we allow anymore into the boat, we all perish.

[QUOTE=Guest;1131876]The best answer for illegal immigration is guns on the border.QUOTE]

Darn straight! If the Border Agency (or volunteers, if the government won't do it) would fire live ammo into some of the illegals crossing our Mexican border and they would stop coming in. Show them with deadly force that we mean business and they will stay away.

[QUOTE=Guest;1131916]

Originally Posted by Guest

The best answer for illegal immigration is guns on the border.QUOTE]

Darn straight! If the Border Agency (or volunteers, if the government won't do it) would fire live ammo into some of the illegals crossing our Mexican border and they would stop coming in. Show them with deadly force that we mean business and they will stay away.

Why not just post signs and plant mines along the Mexican border. The Cuban government has a mine field between Guantanamo Bay and the rest of Cuba and Obama (and most liberals) obviously doesn't seen to have a problem with it, evidenced by him openly embracing of the Cuban government.

[QUOTE=Guest;1131951]

Originally Posted by Guest

Why not just post signs and plant mines along the Mexican border. The Cuban government has a mine field between Guantanamo Bay and the rest of Cuba and Obama (and most liberals) obviously doesn't seen to have a problem with it, evidenced by him openly embracing of the Cuban government.

Why bother with warning signs?

[QUOTE=Guest;1131980]

Originally Posted by Guest

Why bother with warning signs?

Originally Posted by Guest

In Hungary

" Hungary said Monday its shutdown of the border with Croatia had put a stop to the influx of migrants and refugees."

Hungary says migrant influx 'stops' - Yahoo News

The world is so much smaller these days.

Do we really think that these problems are not coming our way.

Hungry has taken Donald Trump's advise and are building a wall. guess Donald is on to something

This is not an indictment of President Obama as so many will read it, but an indictment of the American people along with his attitude.

Dear guest I copied this one sentence from your very long and informative post.

You say this is not an indictment of Obama.... well it ought to be, Obama ( I can never refer to him as President) created this mess with his "leading from behind" philosophy Rome burns and Nero fiddles er golfs at the cost of $4.4 million of taxpayers money this far.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

This is not an indictment of President Obama as so many will read it, but an indictment of the American people along with his attitude.

Dear guest I copied this one sentence from your very long and informative post.

You say this is not an indictment of Obama.... well it ought to be, Obama ( I can never refer to him as President) created this mess with his "leading from behind" philosophy Rome burns and Nero fiddles er golfs at the cost of $4.4 million of taxpayers money this far.

Personal Best Regards:

You know, as the OP, I recall my thought process when I typed that sentence and very good of you to notice. Let me explain.

I have never forgotten the news stories about chemical and germ warfare being used on children in the streets of Syria, and the images that were available on the internet of these children left lying in the street dead.

That bothered me. I recall starting a thread on here about it. I got ZERO replies about it and very few views. That happened to me more than once.

I come on here and watch so many threads that are simply non starters for me. The threads have nothing to do with anything happening in the world and are simply attacks on other people.

When I typed this, I hoped that people might read the thread and be aware of how bad this is, how terrible it is, how much of a problem it is.

If I began to criticize the President, I was sure that the thread would become simply a thread bashing the President or one of change the subject and defend.

For example; I just responded on a thread that was begun about former President Bush. It was mean spirited; had nothing to do with anything going on in the present tense at all. It deteriorated and at the end, the acolytes of the President were shocked that it turned to race in a way.

I wanted this to be about the problem and it is a problem, but it is not one about immigration as posters are making it.

It is about what you suspect when you question my one sentence.

It is about how my country under our President ignored something that this country would never ever ever ignore in the past. Use of chemical weapons on the citizens of Syria and aimed then at children...innocent children.

What we did was SAY...USE WORDS...to express "regret" and tell them they cannot do that and if they do it again they cross a line.

Well, they did it again and again and again. We did nothing. NOTHING.

Our new big brother, Russia stepped in and said let us take care of it. We said ok and for a bit it was ok. They went back to it again and we ignored it.

This problem could have been averted had we taken some kind of action....I have no idea what and not advocating war....but SOMETHING, as Clinton at least, under the cover of NATO dropped a few bombs on Yugoslavia to stop ethnic cleansing. WE DID NOTHING.

Fact is we never even brought the UN into this ever.

We simply did nothing. NOTHING. Now many children and many adults are suffering that maybe, just maybe we could have saved if we had DONE SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

So, I wanted the subject to be the refugees, not immigration as it is, not Obama as my heart suggested. That is why that sentence, to keep the Obama protectors from taking offense as they do if you mention his name.

We have a problem and if we keep closing our eyes to it, it will just get worse.

Originally Posted by Guest

You know, as the OP, I recall my thought process when I typed that sentence and very good of you to notice. Let me explain.

I have never forgotten the news stories about chemical and germ warfare being used on children in the streets of Syria, and the images that were available on the internet of these children left lying in the street dead.

That bothered me. I recall starting a thread on here about it. I got ZERO replies about it and very few views. That happened to me more than once.

I come on here and watch so many threads that are simply non starters for me. The threads have nothing to do with anything happening in the world and are simply attacks on other people.

When I typed this, I hoped that people might read the thread and be aware of how bad this is, how terrible it is, how much of a problem it is.

If I began to criticize the President, I was sure that the thread would become simply a thread bashing the President or one of change the subject and defend.

For example; I just responded on a thread that was begun about former President Bush. It was mean spirited; had nothing to do with anything going on in the present tense at all. It deteriorated and at the end, the acolytes of the President were shocked that it turned to race in a way.

I wanted this to be about the problem and it is a problem, but it is not one about immigration as posters are making it.

It is about what you suspect when you question my one sentence.

It is about how my country under our President ignored something that this country would never ever ever ignore in the past. Use of chemical weapons on the citizens of Syria and aimed then at children...innocent children.

What we did was SAY...USE WORDS...to express "regret" and tell them they cannot do that and if they do it again they cross a line.

Well, they did it again and again and again. We did nothing. NOTHING.

Our new big brother, Russia stepped in and said let us take care of it. We said ok and for a bit it was ok. They went back to it again and we ignored it.

This problem could have been averted had we taken some kind of action....I have no idea what and not advocating war....but SOMETHING, as Clinton at least, under the cover of NATO dropped a few bombs on Yugoslavia to stop ethnic cleansing. WE DID NOTHING.

Fact is we never even brought the UN into this ever.

We simply did nothing. NOTHING. Now many children and many adults are suffering that maybe, just maybe we could have saved if we had DONE SOMETHING...ANYTHING.

So, I wanted the subject to be the refugees, not immigration as it is, not Obama as my heart suggested. That is why that sentence, to keep the Obama protectors from taking offense as they do if you mention his name.

We have a problem and if we keep closing our eyes to it, it will just get worse.

I hear what you are saying about the Obama protectors that are outnumbered 10 to 1 on the board. Take a look at all the threads. 95% of them are attacking Obama, Clinton, or the Democratic party. Most of the people don't want to talk politics. All they want to do is belittle each other.

Concerning this post, Obama did go to UN Security Counsel, which past a resolution condemning the use of the chorine barrel bombs. Apparently, chorine wasn't consider a chemical, since it has other uses.
Syria Crosses Obama

There is no easy solution in Syria. Given what has happened when dictators are deposed in the Middle East, and Africa, Assad or someone, who is his twin, should rule in Syria with the approval of the free Syrian forces. Then, everyone there with our help should lay waste to ISIS.

Concerning Obama, he was handed a bad situation, and made it worse.

Concerning Assad's initial uses of chemical weapons, I remember hearing fairly recently that the initial plan was a ten hour bombing of Assad's forces by air. That doesn't sound like much of a response. The deal with Russia, US, and Assad was probably a better way to go.

Originally Posted by Guest

How can we, the USA have any credibility in helping other countries when our own house (the USA) is in complete disaray over the same subject.

Wide open borders, no enforcement of immigration laws, cost to house, educate and accomodate the illegals spiraling out of control, etc.

How can we possibly demonstrate we care to the outside world when we stand idly by doing nothing on the same subject here in the USA.

You are confusing a moral outlook with a political outlook. Morally what we are doing is wrong from almost any perspective. It is also illegal.
But since it is politically expediant and agenda supporting....that is all that is needed to make it OK especially for the perpetrator Obama.

And his success is compounded by the silent majority.

No, we have little or nothing to offer other countries other than to take more in here....another politically motivated decision.

Sad to say. Obama gets what he wants and the silent majority gets what it deserves!!!!

I do respect what the person that started this thread had to say about changing the subject. However, you are wrong about the silent majority. The majority in the US wants a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants as long as they have committed no crimes other than the obvious one.
What Americans Want from Immigration Reform in 2014 | Brookings Institution

Originally Posted by Guest

I hear what you are saying about the Obama protectors that are outnumbered 10 to 1 on the board. Take a look at all the threads. 95% of them are attacking Obama, Clinton, or the Democratic party. Most of the people don't want to talk politics. All they want to do is belittle each other.

Concerning this post, Obama did go to UN Security Counsel, which past a resolution condemning the use of the chorine barrel bombs. Apparently, chorine wasn't consider a chemical, since it has other uses.
Syria*Crosses Obama

There is no easy solution in Syria. Given what has happened when dictators are deposed in the Middle East, and Africa, Assad or someone, who is his twin, should rule in Syria with the approval of the free Syrian forces. Then, everyone there with our help should lay waste to ISIS.

Concerning Obama, he was handed a bad situation, and made it worse.

Concerning Assad's initial uses of chemical weapons, I remember hearing fairly recently that the initial plan was a ten hour bombing of Assad's forces by air. That doesn't sound like much of a response. The deal with Russia, US, and Assad was probably a better way to go.

You make some valid points in your post, especially about the posters who just want to belittle anyone and everyone. More on that later.

There is no easy answer in Syria; that is correct, but I think a few years ago, we might have been able to do something. I also suspect and this is simply my opinion, with such violent and obvious huge violations of not only the law but the obvious war crimes being committed (much more than chlorine I assure you) that any President previous would have done something

And go figure, Russia who seems to be our new big brother, convinced us not to bomb and now they are there supporting the criminal.

Obama was not handed this; It never began until 2011. It has nothing to do with Iraq nor ISIS.

And Syria does not exist any longer and will never exist again. As with Yemen, Libya and others it will never exist again as a stand alone country.

I am just embarassed that such gross human rights violation go unnoticed in my country now and we use the excuse of ...its not our business.....that is a cop out.

And yes, I lay it all at the feet of our current President. He has done a few things that I find it hard to forget and forgive....and allow me.

.....When less than half of our country agreed, he forced and he did FORCE on this country an anchor called ACA. He did it with devious methods and did it behind closed doors. This will weigh on this country for many years.

....When just over 25% of our country agreed, he signed onto an agreement with Iran and he did that in a sneaky manner (rushing to the UN after saying our congress could vote) and then manipulating the vote in Congress.

....He will make my country feel guilty over what he calls civil rights failings with one individual black death of a criminal and ignore the henious crimes through out the world (and even those being committed IN this country), even when we could, if we wanted have an impact. And open relations with a country (Cuba) who to this very day harbors murders hiding from our country.

Do not tell me that we have police doing bad things...I know that but use that bully pulpit with a conscience.

Do not tell me that nothing happens in the middle east if Bush did not invade. That is total bunk and is overused in politics, much like the distorted financial mess that Obama inherited. Bush did somethings that were bad for sure but those two things do not apply to current conversation.

It is tough for me to forgive the acts of this President that I mention. There are others but these are really hanging badly over our head. They show total disrespect for me and all american citizens. They are unrelated to Syria, I know, but I mention it because it is so difficult for me to not type angrily because of these things, and i am sorry for jumping around but the entire world is watching !!!

We have suddenly become a country of which I am not proud any longer.

Originally Posted by Guest

We have suddenly become a country of which I am not proud any longer.

I am still a flag waving, no place on earth like the USA, even on its bad days.

I have zero pride or respect for Obama and most of the elected gang in DC.

And I am not very happy or content with the silent majority's tolerance for the lawlessness and abuse of our constitution!