I have one thing to say about yeterday stocks and the next 12 months . Thank you Mr. Obama he is suppoce to be the leader and he s______ us royal. He promised change and we got it right up our ___s_ take it for what its worth.

Who said, "I hope you like this changey hopey thing." Oh, right, that crazy women from Alaska, who don't look so crazy now. Would I vote for her, maybe, maybe not, depends on who else is running and what their platform is. But one thing I know, I will not be voting for any incumbunts, that is for sure.

All you geniuses give Obama much to much credit/blame for the stock market crash. Simply an emotional, right wing and hatred-filled reaction based on nothing factual. But you'all just can't help yourselves.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

All you geniuses give Obama much to much credit/blame for the stock market crash. Simply an emotional, right wing and hatred-filled reaction based on nothing factual. But you'all just can't help yourselves.

Factual? You mean like a Stimulus that didn't stimulate? How about last summer's Recovery Summer that sizzled? How about Obamacare that has scared employers into not hiring? Really.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

All you geniuses give Obama much to much credit/blame for the stock market crash. Simply an emotional, right wing and hatred-filled reaction based on nothing factual. But you'all just can't help yourselves.

You are correct.....too much credit and too much blame is given to the WH.

Of course that mantra only applies when the other party is leveling the criticism, right ? I recall Bush...oh heck..not recall...still responsible for all the ills in the world !

Having said that I agree with the too much praise and too much blame...HOWEVER you ACTUALLY DO WHAT YOU ARE CRITICIZING..YOU blame the right wing for all the ills of the market...you generalize and call all right wingers haters. YOUR attitude is the problem...it all depends on the party with folks like you. The generalizations only apply when YOU apply them.

Obama did not cause the drop...he will not be responsble when it rises. HE IS supposed to be responsible for exerting leadership and honesty, which he has not.

The most appropriate, accurate single statement about Obama I have seen to date:

"HE IS supposed to be responsible for exerting leadership and honesty, which he has not."

Thanx Bucco.

btk

I called my stockbroker and asked him what I should be buying.

He said, "If the current administration is in office much longer, canned goods and ammunition are your best bet."

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

I called my stockbroker and asked him what I should be buying.

He said, "If the current administration is in office much longer, canned goods and ammunition are your best bet."

amen to your broker - am going shopping now!

Originally Posted by villagegolfer

I called my stockbroker and asked him what I should be buying.

He said, "If the current administration is in office much longer, canned goods and ammunition are your best bet."

Originally Posted by Bucco

You are correct.....too much credit and too much blame is given to the WH.

Of course that mantra only applies when the other party is leveling the criticism, right ? I recall Bush...oh heck..not recall...still responsible for all the ills in the world !

Having said that I agree with the too much praise and too much blame...HOWEVER you ACTUALLY DO WHAT YOU ARE CRITICIZING..YOU blame the right wing for all the ills of the market...you generalize and call all right wingers haters. YOUR attitude is the problem...it all depends on the party with folks like you. The generalizations only apply when YOU apply them.

Obama did not cause the drop...he will not be responsble when it rises. HE IS supposed to be responsible for exerting leadership and honesty, which he has not.

You're exactly right, Bucco.

And you're further right when you suggest that President Bush is not responsible for "all the ills of the world". If one wanted to blame him for making decisions that only the executive branch can make, or blame him for not vetoing irresponsible legislation passed by the Congress, then they'd be right.

If you really think about it, Congress under the control of two different political parties is "zero for two" in passing two different pieces of legislation which are important causes for the increases in deficit spending and the national debt we're so concerned about now--the "Bush" tax cuts and TARP and the 2010 stimulus legislation. Those things, plus the cost of the wars, are huge elements of the debt we've run up in the last decade or so.

But blaming either President Bush or President Obama solely for the resulting problem? No way!

I think President Bush can be blamed for getting us into two wars and keeping us there for almost his entire two terms and the cost thereof. President Obama continued those wars and actually approved a surge in both personnel and spending. Those costs are on his ledger.

The "Bush tax cuts"? Bush may have suggested them--I can't even remember--but it was Congress who passed them on a purely partisan and political basis. The argument at the time was that the extra money flowing into the economy would create spending, jobs and economic growth. And if you recall, like the "stimulus" spending of 2008-2010, those tax cuts didn't have the intended effect either.

President Obama? The stimulus packages were designed by the executive branch and passed by Congress. They haven't worked either. It was a good try--something had to be done at the time to unfreeze the banking system--but long term the stimulus investments didn't work as intended. Obama has to take responsibility for that.

I think that notwithstanding the personal distaste or even hatred people might have for a President for political or ideological reasons, we shouldn't forget what a President can really do and what they are really responsible for. What they really can accomplish from their perch in the oval office is a whole lot less than what they get blamed for.

"Leadership and honesty"? How many of the following list can you give high marks to on those counts? Eisenhower, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Reagan, Ford, Nixon, Clinton, Bush, Obama? Not more than just a few, in my opinion.

But what's the old saying? "Heavy is the head that wears the crown."

Regarding "Heavy is the head that wears the crown."......and.....

"The fish rots from the head down" as Dukakis so aptly said it (and then yawned and took a long nap on the podium!)

Originally Posted by ilovetv

Regardin g "Heavy is the head that wears the crown."......and.....

"The fish rots from the head down" as Dukakis so aptly said it (and then yawned and took a long nap on the podium!)

I still chuckle when I think of that picture with him in the tank wearing that helmet.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

amen to your broker - am going shopping now!

That's how I feel. I took on that attitude in 2008. I am resigned to the belief that nothing is going to get better until after the 2012 election when this sorry excuse of an administration is but a long horrible nightmare from the past.

I hope the American people learn from this BIG mistake and never do it again. I think we should run the government like a bussiness and have a board of directors that over sees the president. Congress is suppose to but they cant do it. What happens is a mess like what we have. And I dont care no one can say that its not dem or repub. royal mess. Next time folks dont vote for someone just because its politicly correct that gets us no where. Do I have the answers no, but I'm not blind. I think the 90 day probation period would be workable.

Originally Posted by DDoug

I hope the American people learn from this BIG mistake and never do it again. I think we should run the government like a bussiness and have a board of directors that over sees the president. Congress is suppose to but they cant do it. What happens is a mess like what we have. And I dont care no one can say that its not dem or repub. royal mess. Next time folks dont vote for someone just because its politicly correct that gets us no where. Do I have the answers no, but I'm not blind. I think the 90 day probation period would be workable.

Reminds me of the bumper sticker that says, "You voted for Obama in 2008 to prove that you were not a racist, now vote him out of office in 2012 to prove you are not stupid"