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Guest 03-08-2012 11:11 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464220)
Can you call a sitting US senator....."Boobs" ?

Can you call a candidate for VP........"expletive deleted" ?

Be specific.....candidates for Rep presidential have been called by various names, character questioned, etc.......can that be done ?

Dont speak in generalities.....the above seemed to be welcome for some posters on here...you ok with them ? Does the R or D after the name make a difference ?

You can certainly call seated politicians any name you want to.

I would think that you cannot accuse them of criminal wrongdoing without a very good reason; nor question their mental or physical health without some grounds; nor accuse them of child abuse; nor accuse them of cheating on their spouses; etc.

This link seems to be especially relevant about what posters on the Internet can write:

http://www.vote29.com/newmyblog/archives/12827


Some other links:
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/per...efamation.html

http://www.writing-world.com/rights/libel.shtml

http://www.medialaw.org/Content/Navi...Libel_FAQs.htm

Guest 03-08-2012 11:20 AM

What part do you want documented, @Taltarzac725?

Guest 03-08-2012 11:24 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464223)
You have been saying it for years, Bucco. You are right about what the media would do if any of the current Republican candidates had associates or agendas that mirrored Obama's. Admiration by the Progressives of the radical activist Saul Alinsky isn't news. Even Hillary Clinton's senior thesis on Alinsky is a well known fact. They are proud of their views and openly tout their beliefs and their desires to change and control America.

And yet, because of love of party, the beat goes on.

I keep thinking of this man, President Obama, saying with a straight face how the health care battle would be aired publicy and how warm a reception that got...how it had to be done in public because that was the right thing to do. I recall him saying that the health care discussion HAD to be about reducing health care costs.

I also recall the debate being held in back rooms, including payoffs to get the votes, and then the media just accepting that. I recall and KNOW that the current health care bill DOES NOT ADDRESS THE COST OF HEALTH CARE AT ALL, yet he still gets a pass from the media.

Allow him to continue and allow Chris Matthews (is he still considered in the media) to keep the tingles up his leg and see where our country is.

The MSM has got to be beaten in addition to the Democrats.

And do not give me any grief on Fox...sick of it. It is, and will be, the mantra of the left with absolutely no justification...I dont watch it but listen to the comments on here and NEVER ONCE saw any bias....on the other hand, listen to the commericals on MSNBC.....if they are not paid by the DNC....oh wait.....Soros will do that and we all know his goals, dont we ?

If it were not for Fox, consider what is left...so even if they lean right, they are vital !

Guest 03-08-2012 11:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464229)
What part do you want documented, @Taltarzac725?

I have not actually read any of Obama's books. How do they not "jive up with the facts"?

Guest 03-08-2012 11:50 AM

Drums keep pounding rythm to the brain....la de da de de..la de da de dum. :grumpy:

Guest 03-08-2012 01:52 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464239)
I have not actually read any of Obama's books. How do they not "jive up with the facts"?

I'm not sure what Bucco meant doesn't jive in Obama's books, Taltarzac, except for things like the Life or "Ebony" magazine article and photos that Obama wrote about in his book Dreams of My Father. In the book, Obama said photos of a black man who had used chemicals to peel his skin to look like a white man left a lasting impression on him. No such article exists.

Bucco may also be referring to how Obama "vehemetly condemns" and disassociated himself and his family with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright - the pastor who gave Obama the name for one of his books and baptised his children and pastored the church anti-white Obama attended for some 25 years. Obama said he'd never heard or read Wright's hate-filled comments or the sermons his church upholds.

There may be other things Bucco is referring to that are lies in Obama's books. These are just the ones that came to my mind.

Guest 03-08-2012 02:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464121)
What exactly do you mean about "records sealed". There are privacy laws for a reason. There are some things that would be off limits like medical records, maybe some grades, some juvenile schools records, etc.


What are the holes you are pointing at in this Wikipedia article?-- Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I rarely look to Wiki for accuracy and no serious researcher does, and I certainly will not take the time to fact check them.

If you don't know what I mean by "records sealed" you haven't been paying attention.

Guest 03-08-2012 02:54 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464123)
Privacy laws didn't stop President Obama from getting divorce records "unsealed" of two of his opponents, in Chicago.

Seriously......typical leftist hypocrisy.

Guest 03-08-2012 02:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464308)
I'm not sure what Bucco meant doesn't jive in Obama's books, Taltarzac, except for things like the Life or "Ebony" magazine article and photos that Obama wrote about in his book Dreams of My Father. In the book, Obama said photos of a black man who had used chemicals to peel his skin to look like a white man left a lasting impression on him. No such article exists.

Bucco may also be referring to how Obama "vehemetly condemns" and disassociated himself and his family with the Reverend Jeremiah Wright - the pastor who gave Obama the name for one of his books and baptised his children and pastored the church anti-white Obama attended for some 25 years. Obama said he'd never heard or read Wright's hate-filled comments or the sermons his church upholds.

There may be other things Bucco is referring to that are lies in Obama's books. These are just the ones that came to my mind.

Actually, the Jeremiah Wright stuff just boggles my mind that the media just accepted what he said...NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY should be able to get away with that.

I am embarassed to tell you that the differences were minor, and I said that in 2008, but strikes me as odd, first of all that a man of his age would write about himself at the young age he did and how a man that age could make ANY mistakes.....but they were minor and I will search my archives to get the links I provided a few years ago.

I might add that I just completed "JOBS", the biography of Steve Jobs and he was a bit critical of Obama.....he told the President that he would be a one term president based on making no efforts to stop how easy it was for companies like Apple to open shop in China and that his advocating the unions should stop because they were crippling us, including any chance at all of any education reform.

Guest 03-08-2012 02:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464139)
Richie, where have you been for the past four or five years? ;-) Read Obama's books, listen to what he says, look at the people he surrounds himself with now; not just in his younger, formative years. It isn't anything new or something that needs additional documentation. The man is a Progressive with a mindset to fundamentally change America and interpret the US Constitution to his agenda.

Nobody cares about that BK. This is a bit more flashy and "in your face". People need instant gratification. Read??...you think these people read?..... have you been seeing these liberal posts?

Guest 03-08-2012 03:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464340)
I rarely look to Wiki for accuracy and no serious researcher does, and I certainly will not take the time to fact check them.

If you don't know what I mean by "records sealed" you haven't been paying attention.

As I know you are aware of RICHIE, I would suggest, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO MADE AN ISSUE OF PRESIDENT BUSH'S GRADES to try and find any of the Presidents grades at Harvard...you wont..he sealed them...and his SAT's also.

PS...I might add that the issue is NOT whether he was a good or bad student....simply how his entire life is shrouded with shadows. Does not mean he is a criminal or anything....just WHY all the secrecy and shadows ? He did know some people but when it comes out if politically unfavorable, he really didnt know them.....Rev Wright was his mentor, the man he looked up to...then when it became not politically expediant, he hardly knew the man...never heard any of the stuff.

AND MOST IMPORTANT...our media just simply accepts it...TOTALLY

Guest 03-08-2012 03:30 PM

And just what will his grades or his SAT scores prove? My guess is that he got good grades and that he's an intelligent invidual. Ooooooh....that is scare stuff isnt' it? :grumpy:

Guest 03-08-2012 03:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464368)
And just what will his grades or his SAT scores prove? My guess is that he got good grades and that he's an intelligent invidual. Ooooooh....that is scare stuff isnt' it? :grumpy:


It is part of the overall ....not sure what to call it.....seal the grades, the video last night was not only hidden but edited, dont allow anyone to question some figures from the past and on and on....it is part of what has been the making of a President, and my personal objection is that NOBODY could get away with as much "hidden secrets" as he has with absolutely no backlash.

Imagine we find out that you cannot get to Romneys background..not all of it, just little things like past associations, his church life, his actual beliefs, a mentor who preaches Wright teaches, a video surfaces and it is edited and hidden from view. What can you imagine the press might do with that ?

Guest 03-08-2012 03:53 PM

If there is nothing to hide, why give the appearance of something inappropriate, Dale? Why be secretive yet talk about openness? It just makes fodder for people to say that perhaps his grades weren't up to par, he was registered as a foreign student or he received a scholarship from someone else associated with Alinsky.

Guest 03-08-2012 04:12 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 464392)
If there is nothing to hide, why give the appearance of something inappropriate, Dale? Why be secretive yet talk about openness? It just makes fodder for people to say that perhaps his grades weren't up to par, he was registered as a foreign student or he received a scholarship from someone else associated with Alinsky.

Here are the known facts: President Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University. While attending Harvard, he was elected President of the Harvard Law Review. Sounds a lot like "his grades weren't up to par".

How did that whole investigation of George W Bush's grades at Yale work out? The only accomplishment I ever heard about his undergrad days was that he was a cheerleader.


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