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Posted by Guest (Post 225010)

Illegals already get free coverage and we pay for it all. Don't think for a moment the dems and even some repubs don't want 12 million law breakers legalized and added to the government take. Obama was lying and a single person actually had the courage to publicly call him on it.

BO is a wolf in sheep's clothing and the wolf is not pro-America or pro-growth... except for pro-government growth.

There are so many things that can be done to lower health care costs and BO's only solution is to seize control and ration it.

Medicare recipients are going to be the first to get screwed. I'm surprised anyone here supports another government forced takeover given the current status of all the other government programs. Makes no sense to me.

Hahaha! OMG! :eek: So much of what you say is so ludicrous, with absolutely no basis... BUT! With saying our President is NOT pro-American -- you've topped yourself!!! :1rotfl::1rotfl: I guess I shouldn't be laughing because you must really believe all the garbage you post. All I can say is WOW!

Yes? Tell me the last time BO said anything good about America or Americans... especially when visiting other countries?

Partisan politics has deteriorated in our lives to the point

if a simple question was asked, for example: It is noon, 12 o'clock high in the continental USA is it daylight or dark?
There would be a tirade of interpretations and yes, or no buts. For sure the simplest approach of all will be glossed over....two answers....daylight or dark.
Will be lost in the the ensuing debate. Now how could something as complex and as political and as draw lines in the sand partisan as health care reform, be addressed at all? It cannot.

Self first, then party, followed by contributors and special interest lobbyists, followed very closely by the bobble head party to a fault faithful.....politician's credo....both parties by the way (where is we the people....you are kidding of course!!).

btk

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Posted by Guest (Post 225010)

Havent these Illegals been getting free coverage for a number of years now??:cus:

Two Points.
1. President Obama was not lying when he said the new plan would not cover illegal aliens. By the time it kicks in he will have legalized all of them.
2. It was rude to shout out at President Obama while he was giving a speech that he was a liar It was also rude for President Obama to walk into the Congress of the United States and call Congressmen liars who disagree with him that his health care plan will bankrupt the country, cover abortions, cover illegal aliens, and pay people ( dealth panel or if you want to call them government bureacrats) to decide who and what care people receive. Who started it?

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Havent these Illegals been getting free coverage for a number of years now??

Only when they pack the emergency rooms and then skip on the bills... that we pick up through higher prices to us.

If BHO get his grimy little paws on health care you ain't seen nothing yet.

cover illegal aliens ???

can anyone explain the difference between the bill by rep president reagan 1986 immigration reform given health care to illegals and this plan ???:bowdown:

1986 Reagan signed the Immigration Reform.President Ronald W. Reagan who signed the COBRA legislation in 1986 that included the emergency room treatment provision to be given to illegal

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Posted by Guest (Post 225063)

can anyone explain the difference between the bill by rep president reagan 1986 immigration reform given health care to illegals and this plan ???:bowdown:

Interesting question and frankly one I had not thought of before !

I did some checking and find that the immigrants coming into and staying in this country has increased by about 80% since 2000...14 years after your question.

Thus my first difference would be the total number that need to be addressed....sort of like a brand new ball game dont you think !

Secondly, the discussion today has to do with a NATIONAL health care bill...key word being NATIONAL !

Just off the top of my head !

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Posted by Guest (Post 225076)

A new ball game when it suits the RWing. As far as Illegal Immigrants receiving care. What did the last 2 in fact the last 3 do about it??? Why is it such a subject now??? Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that BO is President would it??

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Posted by Guest (Post 225012)

Yes? Tell me the last time BO said anything good about America or Americans... especially when visiting other countries?

...What dklassen said! :agree:
And that doesn't even address those (Czars) Obama has unilaterally appointed to positions of power. All with with no Congressional oversight, and most with dubious (at best) backgrounds. :cus:

If this happened to a Republican President - a democrat was to yell out something, he/should would be chastised and booted out!!!! Then, he/she would probably be removed from his/her office for doing so. People need to have respect for the President. There is a correct way of addressing him.

I personally LOVE him, I voted for him and could listen to him speak all day. I suppose that you think that Bush was a good man? <double sigh> :oops: He is the one who got us into this war (there WERE no weapons of mass destruction) and got us into this mess. Nobody knew what was going on financially until the last minute. He (Bush) said that we had a sound economy. Now, you want to complain about a man who happened to get voted in afterward and has to clean up the mess that Bush made??? Egads, I wouldn't want Obama's job for nothing!

Tallulah

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Posted by Guest (Post 224768)

What does that mean?
It means I believe he got caught up in the emotion of what he believed....right or wrong. And yes, according to practice such behavior is a no-no when all the kings men/women are in a smiling session.

Passing grade? Yes, I will take the emotional error of a Wilson any day over the overt theft and cheating by the likes of Rangle!!!!

His emotion may have been triggered by the same as mine relative to saying the WORDS....no illegal immigrants will be covered in the health care reform. And as usual, when one investigates the details of this specific, illegal immigrants getting health care coverage....it was debated last week. Yes the language there shall not be, HOWEVER, it was also pointed out there was NO language that would preclude a rejection if in fact an illegal immigrant did apply. And because there was no specific language to that point, there is a high likely hood they COULD not only be approved, but also be entitled to supplemental funding from Uncle Sam if they could not afford the price of the basic coverage.

Crafted and drafted by lawyers to ASSURE they have their butts covered to provide for their voting constituency. THAT is what rattles the ire of people like me and obviously Wilson....lawyer double speek = same as lying!!!

The man can be a supporters President...that is what it is all about. However, there is a point of reality, regardless who the candidate, who the POTUS, who the party....none matters when there is a potential for what is being said to not be capable of happening. For Obama to say the health care reform will not cost one dime...is double speak. For his statement to be true the Medicare abuse has to be identified and brought under control. It has been proven time and again that such promises in Washington NEVER materialize. Medicare is already forecast to be bannkrupt is not too many years...why aren't or why haven't these so obvious savings been claimed before? If they are known enough to the extent of knowledge that Obama is willing to commit based on their existence, why has it not been done before now? Why isn't it proposed to be done or begun starting tomorrow? Why do we have to wait for this POLITICAL game to be played before stopping the quoted KNOWN ills? Because it is political BS....nothing more.

I have no problem supporting ones man/woman. Doing their bidding blindly because they are one's man/woman just is not justifiable.

Yes he hit all the points....the same ones he has since the beginning.

Forget the partisan debate. How about democracy in action? For instance the will of the people has been quoted as the reason why Obama won the election....majority vote (means anything above one more than the other guy!)....a couple of percent....he wins the will of the people has been fulfilled.

But now on health care reform the will of the people does not mean squat. There is a higher percent against health care reform by a significantly larger margin than what Obama won the election....yet the will of the people has no impact on the Obama, Pelosi, et al. Now please help me understand how it is good for what they want and fagedaboutit for anything against what they want. Is that democracy? No .....partisan politics at it's worst.

Obama has yet to address the needs of the people....only his agenda....he said that last night. Pelosi says it every time a mic is put in front of her.

"Not one dime"....barf

btk

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Posted by Guest (Post 225097)

You have a VERY short memory !

Do you not recall the Democrats BOOING LOUDLY the President of the United States during a joint session ? Or was that ok with you ?

I surely dont condone Rep Wilson, but you better do some reading on what has happened before throwing stones like this !

And do I need to remind you of the PERSONAL comments made by Pelosi and Reid on the President of the United States ????

Now, again...I certainly do not condone what Rep Wilson did but at least he apologized......NOBODY in the Democratic party did when involved !!!!

I honestly cant figure out what Bush has to do with a conversation on this new health bill !

And to agree with you I enjoy listening to our President as well...he is a beautiful speaker but HE DOES NOT DO WHAT HE SAYS !

PS....PLEASE reply and let us know if it was ok for the Democrats to BOO the President during a joint session...I can only assume by your post that it is ok depending on whether you agree with them !

Difference of Opinion

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Posted by Guest (Post 225097)

Funny, it was ok to accuse Bush of lying, huh. As for the WMD, I guess you failed to catch the little article hidden in the depths of the newspaper and mentioned kinda like the quick disclaimers on TV ads by the media that Saddam, by his own admission, led the entire world to believe that he had those weapons in order to keep Iran at bay. Personally, I still think he did, but we will never know for sure, will we. Even the non-Republican Congress bought into it and voted to go to war based on the intelligence available at the time. We keep hearing that things are the worst they have been in 26+ years. News flash for you. Bush was not there then but it must be his fault anyway. As for "cleaning up the mess", so far the only thing I've seen is his making it worse by selling us all out. We need something besides pretty talk. Is Bush responsible for the actions of Bernie Madoff, Barney Frank, etc.? Neither is the current one.

I believe it was the terrorists that started the war if my memory serves correctly. Something about 9/11 and 3000 + Americans being murdered. Minor details right?

Also going back to Bush getting us in this mess. The economy was good most of his 8 years, the numbers prove it. Remember Fanny and Freddie? Go back and watch the congressional hearings and see who started what and who said what. It's all there right from the horses mouth... or should I say the Democrats mouth who by the way controlled congress and the purse strings the last two years of the Bush administration. And for the record the Democrats also said there was absolutely nothing wrong with Freddie and Fanny... right before they crashed... under Democrat congressional oversight. Bush wanted an investigation and regulation. The Dems said no.

How soon we forget.