Someone had to start it....I decided to sleep on what I heard. I remain disappointed in that there was absolutely NOTHING new put forward. It sounded to me like he took stock of all that has been said over the lawmakers vacation at the town hall meetings....he obviously takes into account his ratings which are down substantially....he had h to have taken into account that any poll one wants to talk about shows we the people DO NOT embrace the public option....he has taken into account his administrations trial balloons on scraping the public option.....he has taken into account what his majority leaders in Congress have "dictated".

And what ever else he takes into account before a so called make or break speech.

After all the above he comes out the door that sorta indicates, forget about what you heard over the summer vacation from we the people, forget about the polls expressing the American public and get back to work on what I told you I wanted last July!!! And if anybody speaks out against it, we will call them out.

He pretends to offer in his speech to reach across the aisle, while not having invited one Republican leader to the WH since April to discuss alternatives. If you noticed during the speech when he referred to being open to alternative ideas, the Republic side of the house erupted with representatives holding up their proposals as if to say here they have been Mr. POTUS! I was especially impressed when he said let me talk to the seniors out there for a moment....and then went into schmooze overload with more feel good statements.

His speech confirmed his support for the furthest left he could possibly show favor. Totally ignoring any opportunity to to send a message to the Congress and we the people. His stern (correographed in the speech) warning "...the time for bickering is over..." was delivered to with emphasis toward any who have been or still are opposed to what he proposes.

My letters today to my representatives ( well that is their task) will reflect the same as above. And I will appeal to them to vote against the once again nebulous statements of you will get to keep what you have....you will keep your doctor...no death squads....it will not cost one dime ().

His entire premise is based on the fact the reform will be funded by savings to come from Medicare and other health care abuses. That is the same old same old justification from the summer. If those savings are so tangible, why was there no commitment to go after them while this reform lolls around the halls for years to come???? Why not????

Another hollow promise being used for justification and to address a major concern of many Americans who, like me, remain in shock at this POTUS and his majority Congress and all his advisers, over their continued aloof frivolous disregard for the ramifications of adding an un-funded trillion dollar burden on the American people who are in the midst of one of the so called worst recessions in history.

In conclusion.....absolutely nothing changed, except to confirm his original intents. I held high hopes he would at least have given direction to the lawmakers that would address the will of the people. Totally absent from his speech. He was 100% in his campaign mode, well prepared, well scripted, well correographed, well READ schmooze mode. The old trust me.....I am your President (VS candidate mode of 2008). Proof positive his priority is the political agenda.....NOTHING MORE! The speech was about as specific as putting dimensions on a passing cloud (AGAIN!!).

He is what he is....a word slinging politician who will say and do anything to further his agenda.....while walking upon we the people. He truly has embellished he is not concerned about being a one term president.

I, anxiously await being enlightened (as usual) to hear from those who heard anything different....or what I may have missed.

btk

Well put BIK, I look forward to the debate on this forum that is sure to happen.

A true snake oil salesman from the old west. The ones who traveled from town to town claiming they had the "cure" for all.

If they (whoever they are supposed to be) know there is fraud and abuse in all phases of healthcare, especially that already under government control, why haven't they already "fixed" it? It's kinda the old saying, "Clean up your own house first." What's the point of building a new one just to continue the same mess or worse?

I slept like a rock last night. W O N D E R F U L address to both houses and the nation.

Originally Posted by army one

Well put BIK, I look forward to the debate on this forum that is sure to happen.

In my mind there is nothing to debate. President Obama hit all the points necessary. He laid out exactly what he wants to see, what he would not sign, dispelled all the ridiculous rumors, pointed out some of the Republican ideas he wanted incorporated, how it would be paid for, and all in all, held his ground.

This is the man I voted for and this is the man I still completely back. Trust me, he will get most, if not all of what he really wants and he will get it by the end of the year.

I already know that 5 or 6 of you usual posters heard a completely different speech than I did because you really don't listen or maybe just don't want to hear, or won't give him credit for anything ever. Good luck with that.

He's my President and I still think he's

p.s. That idiot Wilson from SC that shouted out "You lie" has already called and apologized. Ya, he realized he bought himself a world of trouble. Nice conduct for a Congressman. Maybe he and Sanford should take a trip to Argentina together.

Originally Posted by chelsea24

In my mind there is nothing to debate. President Obama hit all the points necessary. He laid out exactly what he wants to see, what he would not sign, dispelled all the ridiculous rumors, pointed out some of the Republican ideas he wanted incorporated, how it would be paid for, and all in all, held his ground.

This is the man I voted for and this is the man I still completely back. Trust me, he will get most, if not all of what he really wants and he will get it by the end of the year.

I already know that 5 or 6 of you usual posters heard a completely different speech than I did because you really don't listen or maybe just don't want to hear, or won't give him credit for anything ever. Good luck with that.

He's my President and I still think he's

p.s. That idiot Wilson from SC that shouted out "You lie" has already called and apologized. Ya, he realized he bought himself a world of trouble. Nice conduct for a Congressman. Maybe he and Sanford should take a trip to Argentina together.

Actually, we DID in fact see the same speech. The President is a wonderful orator of that there is and should be no debate.

But on what he says and what he does as with so much he promised during the campaign and not only did not do, just simply ignored...as his followers like you seem to do also.

He DID NOT TALK ABOUT HOW IT WOULD BE PAID FOR...he said that he would not sign a bill that added one dime to the deficit, BUT that all will be paid for by NEBULOUS AND UNDEFINED COST REDUCTIONS !

He said that no abortions would be paid for by federal money. Yet all versions of the bill that I have seen or read do in fact cover abortions !

He said that no illegal immigrants would be covered but there are TWO lines in the bill...one says what he said but there is another that allows them to participate !

And while you, as always, have to make a personal attack....Rep Wilson was so out of line that I am hoping there is some kind of repercussion that can be handed out before he is defeated in the next election !

Obama read words written by his advisors and writers who kept referring to his (the Obama) healthcare plan.

If there is an Obama plan why can't we see it in writing and with numbers that prove the statements he has made. Where are the numbers that were used to come up with the 900 billion dollar deficit they say it will create. His own financial experts have said this deficit will be at least a trillion and a half over the same period of time.

I know that all politicians are thought of a liars. Bush was called a liar nearly every day by the Liberals. So we are very familiar with the term describing presidents.

We can only hope that on this very serious issue our president decides to stop his political fabrications and tell us the truth.

DOES ANYONE ACTUALLY THINK OBAMA WAS TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN HE SAID HIS PLAN WOULD NOT ADD ONE DIME TO THE DEFICIT ?

What does that mean?
It means I believe he got caught up in the emotion of what he believed....right or wrong. And yes, according to practice such behavior is a no-no when all the kings men/women are in a smiling session.

Passing grade? Yes, I will take the emotional error of a Wilson any day over the overt theft and cheating by the likes of Rangle!!!!

His emotion may have been triggered by the same as mine relative to saying the WORDS....no illegal immigrants will be covered in the health care reform. And as usual, when one investigates the details of this specific, illegal immigrants getting health care coverage....it was debated last week. Yes the language there shall not be, HOWEVER, it was also pointed out there was NO language that would preclude a rejection if in fact an illegal immigrant did apply. And because there was no specific language to that point, there is a high likely hood they COULD not only be approved, but also be entitled to supplemental funding from Uncle Sam if they could not afford the price of the basic coverage.

Crafted and drafted by lawyers to ASSURE they have their butts covered to provide for their voting constituency. THAT is what rattles the ire of people like me and obviously Wilson....lawyer double speek = same as lying!!!

The man can be a supporters President...that is what it is all about. However, there is a point of reality, regardless who the candidate, who the POTUS, who the party....none matters when there is a potential for what is being said to not be capable of happening. For Obama to say the health care reform will not cost one dime...is double speak. For his statement to be true the Medicare abuse has to be identified and brought under control. It has been proven time and again that such promises in Washington NEVER materialize. Medicare is already forecast to be bannkrupt is not too many years...why aren't or why haven't these so obvious savings been claimed before? If they are known enough to the extent of knowledge that Obama is willing to commit based on their existence, why has it not been done before now? Why isn't it proposed to be done or begun starting tomorrow? Why do we have to wait for this POLITICAL game to be played before stopping the quoted KNOWN ills? Because it is political BS....nothing more.

I have no problem supporting ones man/woman. Doing their bidding blindly because they are one's man/woman just is not justifiable.

Yes he hit all the points....the same ones he has since the beginning.

Forget the partisan debate. How about democracy in action? For instance the will of the people has been quoted as the reason why Obama won the election....majority vote (means anything above one more than the other guy!)....a couple of percent....he wins the will of the people has been fulfilled.

But now on health care reform the will of the people does not mean squat. There is a higher percent against health care reform by a significantly larger margin than what Obama won the election....yet the will of the people has no impact on the Obama, Pelosi, et al. Now please help me understand how it is good for what they want and fagedaboutit for anything against what they want. Is that democracy? No .....partisan politics at it's worst.

Obama has yet to address the needs of the people....only his agenda....he said that last night. Pelosi says it every time a mic is put in front of her.

"Not one dime"....

btk

BTK, Good post!

The only person telling the truth last night was Joe Wilson when he said you lie. How about the republican amendment to make you show proof of citizenship before you could get government insurance. The dems struck it down.

How about in 2005 when the dems booed Bush while addressing congress and talking about SS going bankrupt? Where was the decorum?

BO was lying through his teeth last night. I thought he was disgusting and disingenuous.

Originally Posted by dklassen

The only person telling the truth last night was Joe Wilson when he said you lie. How about the republican amentment to make you show proof of citizinship before you could get government insurance. The dems struck it down.

How about in 2005 when the dems boo'd Bush while addressing congress and talking about SS going bankrupt? Where was the decorum?

BO was lying through his teeth last night. I thought he was disgusting and disingenuous.

You know....a simple phrase like you posted ..." How about the republican amentment to make you show proof of citizinship before you could get government insurance. The dems struck it down.

The President is aware of this.....and what really does not make sense to me is those who come on here (not very many at all) and defend this man...honor this man and totally ignore his lies, of which he has told a lot of whoppers already in the short time in office.

Someone said earlier that perhaps posters on here heard a different speech...I suggest perhaps that poster is listening with selective hearing. How can you ignore straight out very clear lies of which there have been so many and I am afraid will continue unabated as his beautiful words seem to make folks swoon !

What some continue not to recognize, especially those who use this debate to vilify the President, it's that his task is to develop plans and use his office, his persistence, and his inspiration to get Congress to approve those plans. Obama has the courage and resolve to take on one of the toughest issues in our history, regardless of whether it's to try to cement his place as a "Great President" or just to exemplify the kind of character he challenged us all to have last night.
The sound principles in his outline of how to fix health insurance haven't changed since his campaign, and he reemphasized the most critical points needed to make it right. He soft-pedaled the public option and didn't mention increasing taxes on the rich. Instead he advanced McCain's idea of increasing funding by taxing the highest premium insurance companies. He debunked the false and insidious rumors. He drew THE LINE on increasing the deficit and repeated that the bill should not pay for abortions or insure illegal aliens. He called for reform and protection of Medicare and took on a whole new army of self-interested lobbying enemies by calling for tort reform.

He did what an intelligent, well-meaning President should do for his country in need. He deserves support for that because he will take endless crap until this is done. For all of the super patriots who also are so supportive of our soldiers but stop at nothing to find any conceivable way to attack the President's revised health insurance outline , it's time you saw the remarkable parallel between our soldiers and our President.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

What some continue not to recognize, especially those who use this debate to vilify the President, it's that his task is to develop plans and use his office, his persistence, and his inspiration to get Congress to approve those plans. Obama has the courage and resolve to take on one of the toughest issues in our history, regardless of whether it's to try to cement his place as a "Great President" or just to exemplify the kind of character he challenged us all to have last night.
The sound principles in his outline of how to fix health insurance haven't changed since his campaign, and he reemphasized the most critical points needed to make it right. He soft-pedaled the public option and didn't mention increasing taxes on the rich. Instead he advanced McCain's idea of increasing funding by taxing the highest premium insurance companies. He debunked the false and insidious rumors. He drew THE LINE on increasing the deficit and repeated that the bill should not pay for abortions or insure illegal aliens. He called for reform and protection of Medicare and took on a whole new army of self-interested lobbying enemies by calling for tort reform.

He did what an intelligent, well-meaning President should do for his country in need. He deserves support for that because he will take endless crap until this is done. For all of the super patriots who also are so supportive of our soldiers but stop at nothing to find any conceivable way to attack the President's revised health insurance outline , it's time you saw the remarkable parallel between our soldiers and our President.

Your point is well taken and well presented BUT WHY BE DISHONEST with facts as the other side was also doing.

He knows full well what is in those bills and he STILL stood up there and told untruths.

I might add, that I want health reform.....I do not oppose it, but he flat out either lied or stretched the truth last night on several issues of import to me.

I also might add...that this is not unique....he told some whoppers on his way to the WH and while I admit I did not trust him BEFORE the election, he has taught me that I had good solid reasons to feel that way.

I am looking for some truth from someone on the health bill issue. I am not throwing out the wild claims...I am simply suggesting that what he said last night was flat out not true and he knew it !

Remarkable parallel between the President and our soldiers? Our soldiers fight for freedom and BO fights to take it away. There is no parallel at all. BO doesn’t fight for health care, he fights to take over one more area of the private sector. That’s his only addenda. He says he’ll pay for 500 bill of it by eliminating waste and fraud in Medicare? We’ve been waiting 45 years and the waste and fraud it still there. Why not do it first? Where’s the common sense here? There is none.

BO has NO plan. The only thing on the table is the house bill and that does not support what he said last night and it is abundantly clear that they have locked out the GOP from participating. The greatest danger we face today is this ultra radical administration and the constant lies they are feeding some Americans who for some reason actually believe them. There is NO money to pay for this.