Obama has stated he never authorized "attacks on pirates" He said he stated he wanted a "TAX" on pirates.

Well....I am certainly glad he cleared that up.

just like all politicians. He said what needed to be said last week in the heat of battle. Then his stooges, after an impact study devised the cover your a$$ position. Nothing new.
Just wait until he has a real situation on his hands....like GOD forbid the next on US soil terrorist attack. He is no different than ANY other politician....except he has the benefit of the media to help keep his star high and bright.

BTK

Originally Posted by cabo35

Obama has stated he never authorized "attacks on pirates" He said he stated he wanted a "TAX" on pirates.

Well....I am certainly glad he cleared that up.

I believe 3 pirates are dead and 1 captured...not bad I would say.

Been fishing lately Cabo?

The boat gets commisssioned in mid-May. Looking forward to a good season and hoping diesel cost stay down. I burn 240-260 gallons on offshore trips.

U.S. Navy Seals 1....pirates....0.

Originally Posted by cologal

I believe 3 pirates are dead and 1 captured...not bad I would say.

Been fishing lately Cabo?

That wasn't BHO's decision... the Navy should have blown the raft out of the water when the captain jumped the first time. The reason they didn't was because BHO's "order" was to fire only if the captain's life was in danger. The Navy finally got tired of waiting and acted on their own. Had they blow the raft out when they had their chance, there would be 4 dead pirates and we wouldn't have to spend millions of tax payers dollars on a rediculous trial for the captured pirate.

Originally Posted by Ooper

That wasn't BHO's decision... the Navy should have blown the raft out of the water when the captain jumped the first time. The reason they didn't was because BHO's "order" was to fire only if the captain's life was in danger. The Navy finally got tired of waiting and acted on their own. Had they blow the raft out when they had their chance, there would be 4 dead pirates and we wouldn't have to spend millions of tax payers dollars on a rediculous trial for the captured pirate.

Absolute BS...Obama ordered the Navy to wait until the captains life was in danger. The Navy had these guys on a tow rope, sorta help with the range. They pointed a gun at him and ....3 dead priates.

Obama passed his first sercurity test....

Wouldn't you think, if you were the captain, that the Navy won't blow this raft out of the water if I am in it. I know, thinks the captain, I'll jump in the water giving the Navy the chance to end this. So the captain is in the water, safe for the moment, not in a life threatening situation... Why don't the Navy take control?... Ah... they can't... the captain is not in a life threatening situation and our wonderful POTUS says the Navy can't fire. So they haul the captain back in... What an opportunity lost! What a stupid decision from somebody that has no idea how to handle this type of situation. Yeh... so much for his 1st security test!!!

Originally Posted by Ooper

Wouldn't you think, if you were the captain, that the Navy won't blow this raft out of the water if I am in it. I know, thinks the captain, I'll jump in the water giving the Navy the chance to end this. So the captain is in the water, safe for the moment, not in a life threatening situation... Why don't the Navy take control?... Ah... they can't... the captain is not in a life threatening situation and our wonderful POTUS says the Navy can't fire. So they haul the captain back in... What an opportunity lost! What a stupid decision from somebody that has no idea how to handle this type of situation. Yeh... so much for his 1st security test!!!

Last time I checked the Captain was alive and well.....

All's well that ends well.

Yeah right!!!!!!!

BTK

The bottom line is that no matter how good the communications are, POTUS should not stick himself into what is a situation well within the wisdom, training and experience of the folks on the scene.

This POTUS has absolutely no military or law enforcement training or experience. If he made the decision to interfere with the chain-of-command by placing himself in a tactical decision position between the SOCOM team on site, and field commanders, CINCAFRICOM,and CGSOCOM, he made a bad one with far-reaching impact. That is simply showing no respect for the seasoned professionals within the chain of command jumping in the middle of things, acting more cowboy-like than his predecessor.

Having POTUS as commander-in-chief of the armed forces is to insure there is civilian control of the military establishment at the top, so that the military is devoid of legal separatism from the rest of the government and thus usurping the potential for a legal military coup - a problem many other countries without such authority for its civilian leader have learned the hard way can hurt. The intention was never to have a president exercise operational tactical control over forces. Presidents Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, GHW Bush and GW Bush, once the decision was made to seek a military solution to their "problems," knew better than stick their inexperienced noses into actual operations, as that only gets people killed.

So, all the current POTUS showed was the same stupidity and arrogance demonstrated by Pres. Clinton - another crisis amateur with no military of law enforcement training or experience - when he personally decided which military units and forces were to go and operate in Somalia.

When will these guys ever learn that playing "soldier" or "cop (like in a cops and robbers game) when the ammunition is real and lives are actually at stake is very bad and risky business. That's why we recruit, train, pay, train, deploy, train, deploy and train people for 10-20-30 years in the military sciences and law enforcement - so they will know what to do in these situations. Believe it or not, just getting elected to anything is no substitute for that knowledge and experience.

Originally Posted by cologal

Last time I checked the Captain was alive and well.....

All's well that ends well.

Yup... so isn't one of the pirates that tax payers will spend millions on to defend!!!!!

Originally Posted by cologal

Absolute BS...Obama ordered the Navy to wait until the captains life was in danger. The Navy had these guys on a tow rope, sorta help with the range. They pointed a gun at him and ....3 dead priates.

Obama passed his first sercurity test....

They had a gun pointed at the Capt. the whole time.....The Navy urgently requested from the pentagon Three times to neutralize the situation and Obama with his finger in his ear, stopped it,,,,,finally the chief of staff convinced Obama to make a move before we became the laughing stock of the whole middle east , And where did you get the idea that a tow rope helps establisher the range for a rifleshot, and on bouncing waves at that ,
OBAMA FLUNKED BIG TIME !!!!

And I'm afraid we AIN'T seen nothin yet,,,,,,,

fumar

fumar, as usual on the mark. Al

Originally Posted by billethkid

Yeah right!!!!!!!

BTK

I thought the war had already ended well.

I watched the Mission Accomplished ceremony. Oops.

SteveZ,

Well put!