Originally Posted by mcelheny

ColoGal. The more they try to damage Obama with these topics, the more I realize they are desperate to assasinate his character.

Some behaviors and associations assassinate their own character.

Originally Posted by michaelkir

Interesting position statement ???

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/20...disarm-america

Oh here it comes......and last time the rumors were Kerry's website said that he would make birth control and abortions available to all young girls. When Bush ran for the Governor of Texas the rumor was Ann Richards, a grandmother, was a lesbian. And how about the debunked SwiftBoat people....

I don't support Obama but please...not this stuff.

Originally Posted by cologal

Oh here it comes......and last time the rumors were Kerry's website said that he would make birth control and abortions available to all young girls. When Bush ran for the Governor of Texas the rumor was Ann Richards, a grandmother, was a lesbian. And how about the debunked SwiftBoat people....

I don't support Obama but please...not this stuff.

Thank you. I just wish people would judge these candidates on the real issues, not this made up crap. Being eternally optimistic, I'm assuming that a lot of the mindless chatter in this political forum is from a vocal right wing minority, and doesn't reflect the views of most Americans.

Lil Dancer,
I think you are right!

Originally Posted by Lil Dancer

Thank you. I just wish people would judge these candidates on the real issues, not this made up crap. Being eternally optimistic, I'm assuming that a lot of the mindless chatter in this political forum is from a vocal right wing minority, and doesn't reflect the views of most Americans.

First of all - I agree with the "real issues" and hope that banter about "change" but no substance behind it changes soon. Perhaps when the candidate debates start and, hopefully, some solid content versus empty air is provided, then there will be something to really rate the candidates on...

Second - whether a "right wing" viewpoint is minority or not, time will tell. I don't consider any view as "mindless chatter," but instead Americans exercising their Free Speech rights. Just because a view may disagree with mine (or anyone's) doesn't make it "mindless."

I should have been more specific - was referring to lies and smears. I was being polite and calling them "mindless chatter," not because I don't agree with the lies, but because they are not truthful. Like I said, I get really sick of the made up stuff.

Originally Posted by Lil Dancer

Like I said, I get really sick of the made up stuff.

What "made up stuff" are you referring to?

Obama is a Muslim, for one.

Originally Posted by Lil Dancer

I should have been more specific - was referring to lies and smears. I was being polite and calling them "mindless chatter," not because I don't agree with the lies, but because they are not truthful. Like I said, I get really sick of the made up stuff.

We agree.

While I was driving around, a song came over the radio which made me think of the Barack "Hussein" Obama pseudo-issue. None of us had any choice which name(s) we were tagged with. Also, legally changing one's name(s) can also cause the reverse - the "what are you trying to hide" insinuation.

The real concern is the character of the person, not the moniker attached by well-meaning (hopefully) parents filling out a birth certificate. While there is a lot about Sen. Obama that concerns me i(.e., position on issues, backers, who does he owe political favors to, understanding of international diplomacy, understanding of what a commander-in-chief is and does, etc.), the name(s) given to him by his parents is not one of those concerns. To paraphrase a learned person's comment - "...not by the the labels on his identification cards, but by the content of his character..."

Oh, the song - A Boy Named Sue, by Johnny Cash...

When I read this post:

"A man who calls himself an American and consciously removes the American Flag from his lapel and claims to replace his patriotism with his thoughts and ideas is to me a scary person and I fear that the Muslim members will be dancing in the streets if he were elected president. Dear God don't let that happen Handie"

I immediately recalled President Bush escorting Osama Bin Laden's family out of the U.S. hours after 9/11. Why, I ponder. If think "pin" wearing or a "flag" waving measure the character of a mans dedication to patriotism..... well, thats your thoughts and god bless you. Somebody's afraid of change arent they? Relax, change is good

From Rush Limbaugh's radio show just in the past few days.....

RUSH:

Hey, folks, Want to participate in tweaking the Drive-By Media?
You are aware, probably, that Barack Obama lost his bearings recently
and said that he was going to campaign in all 57 states. You heard this?
And everybody chalked it up to, 'Well, he's tired.'


You know, this is a Dan Quayle moment. I mean, Dan Quayle goes out
there and misspells 'potato,' and we still hear jokes about it.
Barack Obama says he's gonna go out and campaign in 57 states,
he was just tired, you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's
been so many places, he probably thinks there are 57 states.
Well, I have here a printout from a website called the International Humanist
and Ethical Union. And here is how the second paragraph of an article on
that website begins. 'Every year from 1999 to 2005 the organization of
the Islamic conference representing the 57 Islamic states presented
a resolution to the United Nations commission on human rights
called combating.'



We're participating here in a tweak of the media. Obama said he's
going to campaign in 57 states, and it turns out that there are
57 Islamic states.


'Every year from 1999 to 2005, the organization of the Islamic conference
representing the 57 Islamic states,' this is from the International Humanist and
Ethical Union. And the title of the piece here is,
'How the Islamic states dominate the UN human rights council,'
and there are 57 of them.

Rush Limbaugh? That's all you have to say for me to dismiss this entire post.

Originally Posted by renos

'How the Islamic states dominate the UN human rights council,'
and there are 57 of them.

I would not be at all surprised, given all his Islamic friends, associates, and relatives, that Obama inadvertently referred to the "57 Islamic States" when he made that gaff.

CHECKED WIKIPEDIA, YES THERE IS A PERMANENT INTERNTIONAL DELEGATION TO THE U N. THE ORGANISATION OF THE ISLAMIC CONFERENCE. IT HAS 57 STATES. WHAT A COINCIDENCE HE MENTIONED THAT PARTICULAR NUMBER. OVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE WHO STILL REFUSE TO PULL THEIR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND AND REALIZE FACTS ARE FACTS.

I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Living 24/7 with a dozen microphones in your face and the pace the campaigners have tried to maintain, however/whatever the reason, it's a gaff.

What elocution errors one makes does not make the person. (Please remember that, all those who lambaste Pres. Bush for his public speaking skills) The CONTENT taken as a whole is what's important.

I'm still waiting to hear CONTENT to match up with the CHANGE banner. That's the important stuff to me, not slips of the tongue or an exhausted mind. It's time to change from being the Music Man to being the Professor.