I know what you mean....like


""What difference, at this point does it make?"

OR

"“Don't let anybody tell you that, you know, it's corporations and businesses that create jobs.”

OR


""We came out of the White House not only dead broke but in debt,"

But the move by the liberals is to LEGALIZE it....see, that would accommodate your problem with it, so .....

Wait, I see your point.....dead is dead like the babies.....I got it...YOU DONT !

Exactly like that.

We also had, "Read my lips, no new taxes."

There was something about weapons of mass destruction by someone else.

Lots of great one liners that come back to bite in the butt.

But you were only mentioning and going on about Jeb Bush.....

you must have just forgotten. There for a minute I thought you were being immature and bias but gee...was I wrong

Can we stop the one line grade school stuff now ?

I usually do not engage but it was so easy given the subject but I do not want to play any longer.

Perhaps you could discuss as I asked you earlier...how you feel about those people at Planned Parenthood wanting to change how they kill the babies so to save the skull and give the buyers total baby to play with.

Nice that they will not be crushing the skull any more.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...o-attem/204766

And once again the producers of the videos heavily in repeated replay on a certain network have been shown to be doctoring their video to make people seem to say what they clearly did not say. Wow, this is news that media editing can produce a completely false impression.

Ok...my turn

MEDIA MATTERS was created for one purpose only. To watch anything and everything Fox does. That is their sole purpose.

MEDIA MATTERS MIGHT just be the worst possible source on anything UNLESS your intent is not facts but to get the most watched network in the history of cable television.

BUT...have you watched the full videos on YOUTUBE as anyone who really cares about the SUBJECT might do or are you slave to MEDIA MATTERS ?

If it is NOT illegal, then it is ALREADY legal!

you talk like a liberal !!!

You should have a meeting with your cronies, who tonight appears to be back on the sauce once again...that always makes your playground good for laughs but not any serious conversation.

Really we do enjoy the laughs you one liner kids make...like watching the kids play on the floor......

Actually let me apologize to those I offended.

It does not look like the usual crony crew.

It appears to be just one lone guy who offended the entire board recently with his language so I will get out and ignore his posts.

Actually, I am a Republican and a lawyer.

Someone makes a post that states that Liberals are trying make suicide legal and then when someone, with some knowledge of the law, responds and tries to educate the original poster regarding the legality of suicide you attack him. Why would you do that? What is wrong with you?

You know, at this point i do not even understand what you are saying. It all started as an aside and went from there.

It totally destroyed the subject being discussed and that is plain wrong.

BUT it does show me something and I WILL apologize. I very very seldom get involved in those one line quipping things that so many seem to enjoy and yesterday for various reasons I allowed myself to get sucked in and for that I am sorry.

NEVER too old to learn how stupid you can be.

The smart a$$ quipping is not my style and I got involved where I should not have.

I am sorry and that is sincere.

Attempted suicide is illegal. But, I believe that person got some of you to think about the subject of this thread. Not many, but a couple. The selling of aborted baby body parts.

Given that most ardent Liberal Democrats seem to have no problem with selling baby parts (after all, it's not a baby until the Mother takes it home from the hospital), that tells you all you need to know about the moral abyss in their atheistic souls.

Since any abortion is the equivalent of murder, you believe that a young woman who is pregnant by either rape or incest should be required to give birth to that baby? And if that 14 year old was your grand daughter - and the rapist was your husband? Or the rapist was the mentally challenged janitor at school?

The mere fact of citing Media Matters as any type of credible source instantly qualifies you as a charter member of the Low Information Voters Association ... try to use your brain next time instead of your mouth

Only about 1% of abortions performed are due to rape, incest or medical reasons. Kind of hard to justify the rest of the baby killing, 93% which is due to inconvenience. Now, what were you saying, again?

Instead of killing the baby, how about we kill the rapist or mentally challenged janitor? Oh, that's right you don't believe in executions of the criminals.

Dear Guest:

Disparate Impact is a law Obama has been shoving down peoples throats and basically states that the mere presents of discrimination is sufficient enough. so here we have a disproportionate amount of blacks getting abortions. So there must be a white conspiracy to reduce the black population. and oh whites were the cause of aids in black communities too.

In that same vein most blacks getting abortions are poor but this issue goes to anyone getting an abortion at Planned Parenthood. since they lack money and/or have a property right to the fetus then do you suppose if nothing is done to stop this barbaric practice that mothers are going to be showing up to get abortions and also to sell the aborted fetuses . Its like selling your blood for a few bucks but this is more lucrative Why should Planned Parenthood be the only one to make a profit .

I am going to follow this post with a second.

Personal Best Regards:

Part Two:

Abortion as defined by progressives:

Progressive say a fetus is a baby only if the mother wants it.
Two women both in their first tri-semester with a mother who wants a baby the second woman doesn't can pay to have the baby evacuated by a doctor but both has a product of conception

with in vitro fertilization those eggs implanted in the womb prosper to be born human while others not are either frozen and perhaps never to be used
or disposed of like trash.

Roe v Wade states that the unborn have no personhood. Yet if you murder a woman pregnant the murderer is charged with the killing of two the mother and the fetus.

Why is it a fetus has legal right to estates. do you suppose some woman would reconsider an abortion if she found out that the father died and left his estate to his heir?

I believe the video taken of Planned Parenthood should be released to the public because by all accounts it clearly establishes the depravity in which these people operated and their comments speak to the profits they are yielding. Planned Parenthood should not only be defunded there should be criminal investigations into the practices of its employees.

Personal Best Regards:

:thumbup:

Well, there were only 2 repliers to this scenario and BOTH were non-answers. Do you have answers that actually address the two questions? :popcorn:

I personally don't believe that "abortion on demand" is the answer to the extremely unlikely and rare hypothetical case that you present. I personally feel that abortion laws should have a few exceptions for extreme circumstances. But, abortion should not be used as a form of birth control nor to terminate a pregnancy because it is an inconvenience. Does that answer your question?

Even though I am pro-life, I will admit that making the decision to terminate a pregnancy is a very personal one and IMO one that is made between the person involved and their maker. I feel that all women deserve a chance to be educated and counseled before making that decision and should have the opportunity to review ALL the options available to them. That is one of my biggest beefs with planned parenthood. When someone comes in for an abortion, it is my understanding that little is made available along those lines. I also believe that after education and counseling, a waiting period should be suggested before making the decision.

Your adamant questioning about this makes me think that your view is that an abortion is the only answer and the swifter it's done the better. The feeling that I get reading your posts, pressuring people for a reply, reminds me of conversations I've had with young girls who have unfortunately used Planned Parenthood and that being exactly how they felt.......as if no one there cared enough to talk to them or recommend any other options and the pressure was on to abort. In fact, I remember it being described like it was a mill - in and out, and now you can just forget about it. Until these recent revelations, that was my chief complaint about them, but now it's pretty obvious there are larger issues with this organization than I could ever have imagined.

[QUOTE=Guest;1097005]Even though I am pro-life, I will admit that making the decision to terminate a pregnancy is a very personal one and IMO one that is made between the person involved and their maker. I feel that all women deserve a chance to be educated and counseled before making that decision and should have the opportunity to review ALL the options available to them. I also believe that after education and counseling, a waiting period should be suggested before making the decision.
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Friend,

You may not realize it but how you described your beliefs - you are Pro-Choice! Congratulations! Lots of Pro-Choice people feel the same way you feel. They are against abortion themselves but realize it is the personal choice for each woman to make herself.

You agree that it is a very personal choice and one that the mother has to make between herself and God. Yes, education and counseling are both good to have when making the decision - but ultimately, the decision is the CHOICE of the pregnant woman - not the ruling of legislators.

It's also "pro-choice" when an armed robber decides whether or not to shoot the clerk of the store. Both are killing a human.

It seems to me that there are a lot of folks with guilty consciences that are trying to get someone else to say that they were right in their decision to end a life. Regardless of attempted justification, if you abort then that's your legal choice. But planned parenthood is cutting up the pieces of that baby and selling them. Abortion is being brought into the issue because the folks that say they don't care about the selling of body parts are trying to assuage a guilty conscience by use of the legality of abortion.

[QUOTE=Guest;1097011]Well, call me whatever you want, but I am pro-life. I would always choice life and would encourage anyone who came to me for advice to do the same. What I was am saying was, ULTIMATELY it is between the person and God. It is not something you can force another person to do or not. From my perspective, when God creates, He does not make mistakes no matter how the child was conceived.

I will agree with you on one thing though, that this should not be a political issue - it is a moral and ethical issue. I have said in other threads that the use of abortion as a means of birth control has gotten totally out of hand. The disregard for life by way of abortion on demand is an abomination to me. I'm not so sure many pro-choice people would feel as I do.

[QUOTE=Guest;1097028]Sorry for all the typos.....that's what happens when I try to respond on the fly. Second sentence should read, " I would always CHOOSE life...." and the next sentence, "What I was saying was,...." Hopefully you get the gist.

[QUOTE=Guest;1097028]:thumbup:

and what type of law did you practice?

Personal Best Regards:

International Law

Methinks, with no facts to substantiate, that this poster has a fleeting relationship with truth and a strong sense that he/she is humorous.

The poster on page 23 considers him/her self to be pro-life. Well, they actually are Pro-Choice from what they say. They, themself, would never consider abortion but realizes it is a CHOICE each pregnant mother must make for herself. It is a tough decision but still is a CHOICE for that person to make. It is NOT a decision that is made by a bunch of legislators.

What does that have to do with the subject. Do you feel all tingly because you think you made some kind of personal observation? Besides, you may be wrong in your assumption. He/she said that they are pro-life. He personally is pro-life. He/she also said that he/she realizes that it is the personal choice of the pregnant woman. By law, it is. Try not to assume.

Get back down your troll hole. You have been told you are not relevant.

Scat!

Really?!? Is that all you can come up with when someone disagrees with you or engages you in a debate?? How embarassing :rolleyes:

No one has ever suggested such a thing to me. What are you speaking of? Trolls are usually associated with liberals. I read that person's comment, and saw it differently than you. You jumped on that person attempting to deny his/her claim to be pro-life. I believe you are wrong. You obviously have me confused with someone else. If you can't take someone disagreeing with you, then maybe you are on the wrong forum.

How do women who have had abortions feel about donating fetal tissue to medical research? I reached out to eight of them—ages 22 to 69—to get their personal thoughts. They all told me they supported this research. Those who didn’t donate said they would have done so, had it been an offered. Those who did donate said that knowing they were helping others made them feel much better. Here are their words:

“[When they asked me if I wanted to donate] I thought right away it was a good idea. My dad always donated blood. My sister is a biologist. I didn’t really think twice. It helped me process the sense of loss and grieving to know that at least something good was coming out of it.” —36-year-old artist, Arizona

“I have always felt like stem cell research and using fetal tissue from abortion or miscarriage has been necessary. It’s disappointing to see [the issue] brought up in this way. I wasn’t given the option of what to do with my fetal tissue. Had I had the option, I would have loved to donate.” —22-year-old college student, California

“It’s clear that [these videos are] an attack aimed on Planned Parenthood—and to make sure that folks who are the most vulnerable don’t have access to basic health care. If I’d had the option to donate I would have. [Pro-life activists] are trying to invalidate the decisions of women who have an abortion and who choose to donate the tissue to give back to science. People donate tissue all the time. They do it with umbilical cords. I think shaming people for making that decision is really horrible.” —29-year-old writer, Washington, D.C.

“They asked and I said, yeah. Why not if you’re going to use it for science? I honestly felt fine with it. I think it’s ridiculous that people will do anything to try to shut Planned Parenthood down. When I went there, I felt really, really respected.” —25-year-old waitress, Idaho

“I don’t actually remember whether I was asked about donating. But the controversy over Planned Parenthood aside, I am supportive of using fetal tissue from an abortion to advance science. It can save lives. Why throw that opportunity away? The ethical question is whether or not the women are asked if they want to participate. As long as it’s a transparent process, I don’t have an issue with it.” —27-year-old financial analyst, Washington, D.C.

“If something good could have come out of my abortion in the way of scientific understanding, I would have been more than happy [to donate]. People are upset about abortion and anything to do with it. But any good outcome from a sad situation, any help for humanity, would be welcome in my view.” —69-year-old retired Episcopalian priest, who had an abortion more than 30 years ago

“I would rather [the fetal tissue] be made useful. It’s akin to organ donation. So why not? To me, the issue comes down to consent.” —41-year-old college teacher, North Carolina

“When I wanted to have a kid and had a miscarriage and tissue donation was an option, that was a no-brainer. And I’m pretty sure I did it when I had my abortion. I can see how people would feel weird about it, but it’s a women’s decision.” —43-year-old public affairs consultant, Colorado