Ooo, an anti-Clinton post! Try putting it on the right thread instead of posting after swilling your XXX Kool-Aid.

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Snarky? That's how you interpreted my question? Wow, not sure how you got that, but I will try to make an effort to explain it further, although I fear I may be just wasting my time. First of all, you made a lot of presumptions in your posts. For example, you said, "It sounds as though some who speak of abortions being butchery would actually go to this extreme" - the extreme being that a pro-lifer would disown their daughter for having an abortion. All that tells me is that you know nothing about the character of most people who are pro-life. In general they are not just pro-life, they are pro-human, pro-family - you don't just throw a life away whether it is growing inside of you or it's your 16 or 20 year old daughter who decides to do something that you feel may not be in their best interest.

Second, my question to you was - "And you think having an abortion is something you just get over?" - which was in response to your statement about a minor taking her parents to court over having an abortion and how that would be something from which one could never heal. Do you not realize the torment many women, very young and older, have gone through after an abortion? Talk about carrying something with you for a lifetime and a difficult healing process!

So no, I would not force my daughter to do anything, but I would in love and concern, talk to her about all options available to her so that she at least has a chance not to live with a lifetime of regret.

And finally, I'll address your name calling in the above post. I am hardly a Neanderthal. In fact, I'm probably younger than most people on this forum and to boot, I'm a woman! A conservative, pro-life woman and proud of it!

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Went over your head, huh? Try reading "Witty Replies for Dummies." They make a special version that they dummied down for liberal trolls. :loco:

i love animals but i do not understand the upROAR of thousands for the lion while there is silence over 60 million babies sliced and diced!

Dear guest: Whenever a liberal gets his/her backside up against the wall they revert to what if? arguments like this one to divert the discussion
This topic is not about a raped little girl. This topic is about the harvesting of body parts by Planned Parenthood, an organization that is funded by taxpayer money and despite their denials performs substantially most of the abortions in this country.

The fetal research, a poster submitted, that explained it was supported by Republicans did not reflect the selling of body parts by Planned Parenthood but again it really doesn't matter if they did because it is illegal and it is morally wrong and ethically dangerous because it crosses the line. People are either moral or immoral and party line is immaterial..and again we see another liberal strawman.

We see this strawman argument alot with Obama and liberals in general and we see liberals circle their wagons to protect their own like they are doing with Planned Parenthood.

What this really is all about is that liberals got caught red handed and it displayed how the rights of the unborn are violated right up to birth.

Abortion is murder. Abortion encourages recklessness and irresponsibility. Abortion is fooling with mother nature and mother nature doesn't like to be fooled with. And abortion has led to Planned Parenthoods open market for disbursing body parts and legal or illegal it is dangerous and crosses the line because people with entitlement mentalities can rationalize anything as right for the common good. Nazi Germany did it, and its being done now in the Middle East and Africa they do it with machetes we are doing it with so called science.

So if my granddaughter were raped I would not encourage to be raped again by an abortion.

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That is a very powerful statement. If only those who so adamantly support this movement of abortion without question, knew or cared about the effect that abortions have on many women. The repercussions often last a lifetime. It is not something you go through without lasting emotional scars that often exhibit themselves behaviorally and/or psychologically. I do not know this through first-hand experience, thank God, but have been the confidant to many who have. It is so heart-breaking.

No matter how it is rationalized or digested or re-stated......a life is being deleted.
And not without consequences.
The approach that "life" is not until such time as...........is nothing more than a legal definition of the status of the fetus at some point in time.
Lawyers using, abusing or hiding behind the law.
The real question is.....at any point in the gestation the fetus is a viable creation that lives both in the womb (temporarily) and outside the womb permanently.

Abortion is the termination of a given life.......no matter how rationalized.
And most of all contrary to some who would make abortion a political/partisan issue.....IT IS a moral issue.........
To use abortion as vote bait is as immoral as the act itself!

Can you imagine if Republican veterinarians were responsible for the slicing and dicing of 60 million unborn puppies? PETA and Liberals woulds be protesting in the streets!

You are correct in what you say, but we have a law in place that now is the law.

What shocks me, especially on TOTV with all the grandparents that live here, is the posts defending the killing. I suppose these people saw sonograms of their daughters and/or granddaughters and saw that little head, and other features but come on here and triumph in killing them.

That, to me, is something I will never understand.

You are correct in what you say, but we have a law in place that now is the law.

What shocks me, especially on TOTV with all the grandparents that live here, is the posts defending the killing. I suppose these people saw sonograms of their daughters and/or granddaughters and saw that little head, and other features but come on here and triumph in killing them.

That, to me, is something I will never understand.

Do you really think that the one poster on here that defends abortions, is from the villages? I think he is troll and there has been several misstatements made by him suggesting that.

I can almost/almost see how someone could defend the abortion law, but I cannot see how anyone/ANYONE could defend the disgusting practice of piecing out the body parts and selling them for a profit. And yet, the same folks that advocate this disgusting practice are also against executing convicted murderers. Only in America.

Many years ago, a dear friend of mine and her husband wanted to start a family. They were delighted when she got pregnant, and devastated to find out a few months later that their child had a fatal genetic condition. Carrying the child to term also posed a significant risk to my friend's life. After much prayer and after consulting with their physician and their minister, she had an abortion. Because the genetic condition was extremely rare, their physician asked if they would allow their baby's body to be used for research. Understanding that such research might help prevent other parents from experiencing the tragedy and grief that they had, they signed the papers. Having lived through this experience with them, I have come to believe that these decisions are best left to families and their doctors, and that it is very dangerous for governments to be involved in anything so personal and private.

Thank you for a very good post.

However, only about 1% of abortions are due to necessity: medical, rape, incest. Getting the parents' permission is the same as organ donation. Selling body parts is much different, regardless of how those parts are used. It is a moral issue. In your case, or your friend's, it was admirable that they donated the baby to science. Selling body parts due to avarice regardless of final disposition of the parts, is disgusting and immoral.

Senate Vote Fails to Defund Planned Parenthood - NBC News


The senate failed today in its efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. The final vote was 53-46, 60 votes were needed to pass.

Merely underscores that in Washington, either party, politics out weigh morals!
Disappointing but no surprise.

53-46, to me, they just admitted that Obamacare doesn't work. Planned Parenthood shouldn't just be defunded, it should be abolished and give the money to Obamacare.

Not a surprise to anyone, and it was a vote on getting it to the floor for debate, not an actual de funding.

It does raise a few things to me anyway......

Will this issue, which is not going to go away, going to help the turnout of conservatives in 2016 ?

Will this spur a congressional investigation into the practices of Planned Parenthood ?

Glad it got to a vote....under Reid, most things never made it this far :)

The vote was more of a ritual. BUT rest assured this vote will have repercussions for a lot of folks.

Not sure it will reach the Obama care part but it could.

What does Obamacare have to do with Planned Parenthood?

Obamacare should be doing what Planned Parenthood is TRYING to do but a whole lot better. Abortions should be done in real hospitals by real Doctors. Birth control pills should require a prescription by a real Doctor too. Just maybe we wouldn't be seeing the baby butchering we are seeing now.

Either way, you are wasting taxpayer money.

Oh my God!

Dear Guest: You do realize that in every manner and respect you may believe it would be a whole lot better but it would also be the beginning of America's version of the Final Solution. I do not want my tax dollars to pay for birth control in any size ,shape or manner (period). You are opening the door of opportunity for future unciviized, unethical and immoral practices. Abortions became law because people rationalized that it is acceptable to kill the unborn for the vanity of the living.

China rationalized a one child policy and now find their country's population aging quickly and hence reverse its one child policy. America is murdering its future. And embracing and celebrating single mother births is adding fuel to this dangerous path we take.

Snicker if you will, call me dated, but history past and present is on my side of this discussion.

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[QUOTE=Guest;1095555]Dear Guest: You do realize that in every manner and respect you may believe it would be a whole lot better but it would also be the beginning of America's version of the Final Solution. I do not want my tax dollars to pay for birth control in any size ,shape or manner (period). You are opening the door of opportunity for future unciviized, unethical and immoral practices. Abortions became law because people rationalized that it is acceptable to kill the unborn for the vanity of the living.

China rationalized a one child policy and now find their country's population aging quickly and hence reverse its one child policy. America is murdering its future. And embracing and celebrating single mother births is adding fuel to this dangerous path we take./QUOTE]

On one hand you seem to say you are against abortion 100 percent. However, on the next paragraph, you say that embracing single mother births is wrong. So, are you saying you do or do not agree that single minority mothers should have abortions on demand so that there are fewer welfare babies? Which is it?

[QUOTE=Guest;1095621]Why does it always have to be one or the other with your type? That person may be against abortion AND against single mother births. You can discourage single mother births by several means. One is to NOT add welfare money for each child born. Harsh? Maybe, but tough love may be called for. You can educate females at an early age about birth control and quit with the stupid shows on TV about teen mothers, unless the liberal Hollywood idiots want to show the hardship and negative but real aspects of raising children by single parents. If the gov insists on forcing everyone to purchase health care insurance, then they can also force single women with a lower income and not able to support children, to participate in birth control. As much as I hate big gov, if they are going to take responsibility for me having health care, then maybe this is something that they should also be responsible for, birth control enforcement. If the mother can't take care of the child properly, then take the child away from her until which time she is able to take care of it. Just different options to kick around. I am not saying that I subscribe to any of them, but I am just showing that it doesn't have to be "either one" of two choices that you suggest. One thing we know that doesn't work, rewarding those that have more babies by giving them more welfare. I know you are going to suggest that if we cut their welfare for having babies then we are encouraging them to seek abortion. That might be true, but if the gov quits paying for those abortions maybe FEAR of having to support a bunch of kids will give them incentive to utilize one of the many types of free birth control that's offered today.
Of course, I can see the need response of "Republicans hate women, Republicans hate children." Well, I have one for you liberals too. Liberals hate children because they want to abort them before they are even born. When you have more black babies aborted than born, that should tell you how the liberals think. What happened to "black lives matter" ????

I think the best method of getting rid of all those welfare babies is to mandate tubal ligation at the time of a welfare mother's second child birth. No abortions, no birth control pills and no more welfare babies.

Even though I dislike the gov infringement on us, your means to a solution would be absolute.

Entrepreneurs would open up tubal ligation reversal clinics and somehow the government would end up paying for a second procedure.

Can't argue with that. Innovative capitalism is great, isn't it?

And this is the party of smaller government? Mike Huckabee is your guy. He recently said as president, he would use the national guard to monitor every pregnancy.

Um. Not quite. Huckabee's not my favorite candidate, but that's not what he said.

Mother Jones ought to be an acceptable source for you:

"Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee told supporters in Iowa on Thursday that if he were elected president he would consider using the FBI or National Guard to end abortion by force. .."

Huckabee Says He'd Consider Using Federal Troops to Stop Abortions | Mother Jones

So Mike Huckabee would use the FBI or federal troops to stop a legal procedure? On what grounds? Would he have the FBI and National Guard inspecting every woman's uterus, or would he build a wall around those uteri? This guy is a real whacko, IMO.

"The Rolling Stone reporter Matt Taibbi pressed Huckabee at the next campaign stop, asking if he would use the national guard or the FBI to stop abortions. Huckabee responded: “We’ll see, if I get to be president.”

He then said he would use all resources available to stop abortions if he were to reach the White House."

Not exactly what you said when quoting him. You can read more about it, if you are so inclined.
Personally, I am more interested in foreign policy and the economy. But, I would shut down funding for PP, even if an investigation could not prove a criminal violation

The senate failed today in its efforts to defund Planned Parenthood. The final vote was 53-46, 60 votes were needed to pass.


McConnell voted no as a procedural move to preserve the option of bringing up the bill for another vote.

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who is both a co-sponsor of the bill and a presidential candidate, was the only member to miss the vote.

They're waiting until Sep when funding will be brought up for the new fiscal year. It will be interesting to see how that goes.

So, let's recap. The plan to defund Planned Parenthood failed. The Supreme Court ruled that the Affordable Care Act is the law of the land. The Supreme Court ruled that same sex marriage is the law of the land. The Supreme Court many years ago ruled that it is a woman's right to choose to have an abortion.

Republicans are really in touch with reality, aren't they?

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It's just like Senator Elizabeth Warren said yesterday on the floor of the senate "it seems like they fell and hit their heads and woke up in the 1950's".

It just doesn't seem like a good strategy for 2016 to declare a war on women, the largest voting bloc with 53% of the voters.

The GOP never seems to learn from their mistakes of alienating almost every segment of the population. Losing five of the last six presidential elections popular vote should have been a wake up call.

How about a plank in the next GOP platform that states 'We believe that all men and women are created equal and each should be free to control their own healthcare'?

[QUOTE=Guest;1095646]Dear Guest: I happen to agree with much that you have said. apparently you misunderstand my comments. The reference to abortion and single mothers in my comments wasn't an and/or but a statement on how both of these issue reflects the march toward moral anarchy that continues.

Liberals celebrate both ,to wit: the endorsement by Hollywood starting with Murphy Brown. It may have been cool for a rich independent Murphy Brown but that is not the reality of most and even Murphy Brown's child was denied a father and worse yet probably had several fathers along the way....quite confusing for a child don't you think?

I did not extrapolate in my comments about all this because the subject matter was Planned Parenthood and I didn't want to get off line. I appreciate that you read my comments because I find so many posters on this forum that apparently don't read other posters comments but just want to rant and rave

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I never did understand the concept of equating abortion with healthcare unless you have the democratic mindset that pregnancy is a disease. For the record, Obamacare hardly equates to controlling your own healthcare - the government is dictating what you must do or pay a penalty. Many people don't feel the government has our best interests in mind, as demonstrated by a long history of lying and deception on many, many topics.

Sen Warren is a POLITICIAN, plain and simple.

During the 2012 campaign an Obama aide said the President felt like Romney was stuck way back in the fifties and it turned out that he was right on every single thing.

Her tone and dismissiveness is becoming sort of routine for the Democrats.

YET...they would be the first to say you should be true to what you feel. Ignoring those who oppose this and find the recent videos appalling is ignoring the majority of americans.

She can strike that mocking attitude all she wants. MOST americans who are not in politics think there needs to be a discussion on Planned Parenthood.

Even your post tells everyone what they need to know.

You speak to VOTING BLOCKS and not principal.. You speak of POLITICAL PARTIES and not morals.