Originally Posted by Lou Card

Nothing is definite and I did not mean all conservatives, but conservatives tend to lean to the its all mine side of money handling and liberals tend to be more kind and giving. Thats all I meant bucco. No offense meant. Please don't take this the wrong way. I do not even know which party is right on this issue. I may be way off the mark on this one. Its just that I would give it all away to help the needy and that does not include the guy on 14th street that would not work if you handed it to him on a silver platter. He was probably a conservative since he wanted a lot of money and did not pay any taxes.

Lou, you need to use emoticons like when you are being sarcastic or trying to be funny. I say this as you cannot possibly make a statement like "conservatives tend to lean to the its all mine side of money handling and liberals tend to be more kind and giving" and be serious.

Originally Posted by ajbrown

Lou, you need to use emoticons like when you are being sarcastic or trying to be funny. I say this as you cannot possibly make a statement like "conservatives tend to lean to the its all mine side of money handling and liberals tend to be more kind and giving" and be serious.

Of course it is sarcastic. I have been tagged as the LIBERAL and that means I am a second class citizen on any Conservative Web site. I am one of only 3 liberals on this site and there are thousands of conservatives. What I say on here really has no effect other than giving conservatives an opportunity to lash out at what they perceive as non-GOP. Without at least one liberal they would bore themselves to death. So I give myself up as a sacrifice. I have tried to gravitate toward the conservative viewpoint in several threads, but have been slapped right back to the left. So if its an opponent rather than an supporter that is wanted out of me, who am I to deprive them of that.

SERIOUS: I do believe and support most conservative views. I am hung up on the people that try but just can't get a foothold on a decent life and that clouds my line of sight. Give me a solution and I would be happy. I do believe also that many conservatives like Glenn Beck have wonderful information on whats wrong with the world, but no solutions. I guess you could say he wants us to turn it over to God, but I think earthly issues are for man to work out.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

To understand the importance placed on this speech, I suggest the following sites: The Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/. No mention of the speech in the lead section. Obama did get mentioned for his calls to Israel and Palestine.


The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/ Again, no mention of the speech, but the Middle East Conflict again got a major story.

The Chicago Tribune - http://www.chicagotribune.com/ No mention of the speech.

The Wall Street Journal - http://www.chicagotribune.com/ No mention. The print version did have a small front page under World Wide News. Small print, no headline.

It as if the President threw a party and nobody came. The first three papers/syndicates listed have a distinct liberal bent. The WSJ has a center/right position in its editorial pages, but is scrupulously objective in its news coverage. This accounts in part for its growth and profitability when contrasted to the other three that are shrinking and losing money.

Without any of the papers out, I will go out on a limb and say, Steve Jobs will get more coverage in tomorrow’s news than Obama received in today’s coverage. Why? Steve Jobs has real news about Apple’s new products. Obama took prime time to announce that he had no news. A good maxim is, “If you have nothing to say, say nothing.” The classic line for this is attributed to George Better – “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” Barack Obama would have been better off if he had remained silent.

Here's another angle on Obama's speech. Did you see this in the
NY Times ?

Iraqis’ Reactions to President Obama’s Speech

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...obamas-speech/

or another.
Why are so many not able to formulate a position without the use of a party affiliation?
Are they unable? Are they not capable of presenting a position they firmly believe in without the talking points distributed by a particular party.

The left, right and middle are just political assignations for a numerical distribution called a normalcy curve.

Just stand up and be counted without the political, race or religious scoring.
You will feel a lot better and you will be genuine...not just a parrot.

btk

Originally Posted by villa2

That's because Obama does not have a flight suit because he never served in the Armed Forces. You must be a citizen to enlist.

Plleeeease!...Let's NOT go there!....

Villa can't get the insult right. You do NOT have to be a citizen.

In order to join the US Military, you must either be a US citizen, or you must be a legal permanent immigrant, physically living in the United States, with a green card.

That's from 10 U.S.C. 3253 and 8253 which cover the Army and Air Force.

From the US Army Info site:

There is no equivalent statute limiting enlistment in the Regular Navy and Marine Corps, but they usually apply the same citizenship requirements as those required for the Army and Air Force.

There's ONE caveat if you're not a citizen:

Applicants who have been residents of countries considered hostile to the interests of the United States require a waiver.

Originally Posted by djplong

Villa can't get the insult right. You do NOT have to be a citizen.



That's from 10 U.S.C. 3253 and 8253 which cover the Army and Air Force.

From the US Army Info site:


There's ONE caveat ifen:

You are right again. I served with lots of men and women from other countries that were enlisted into the United States Army without US citizenship.

I would have said that before, but I can't get away with that type comment even if it is the truth.

Liberals talk about helping the needy, but don't do it.

Conservatives do it and don't talk about.

All statistics show that conservatives give voluntarily 2 to 1 or more than Liberals do.

Originally Posted by jebartle

Plleeeease!...Let's NOT go there!....

Sir: When you start throwing mud around in the playground, expect some of it to be directed your way.

What he didn't do is deliver speech in his flight suit with "Mission Accomplished" sign in background

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