Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
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Some are also turning to the court decision against Masterpiece Cakeshop, which refused business from a gay couple in search of a wedding cake. In the December 2013 decision, administrative law judge Robert N. Spencer repeatedly drew a distinction between refusing service to an individual and refusing to inscribe a specific message on a cake, noting: Respondents argue that if they are compelled to make a cake for a same-sex wedding, then a black baker could not refuse to make a cake bearing a white-supremacist message for a member of the Aryan Nation; and an Islamic baker could not refuse to make a cake denigrating the Koran for the Westboro Baptist Church. However, neither of these fanciful hypothetical situations proves Respondents’ point. In both cases, it is the explicit, unmistakable, offensive message that the bakers are asked to put on the cake that gives rise to the bakers’ free speech right to refuse. That, however, is not the case here, where Respondents refused to bake any cake for Complainants regardless of what was written on it or what it looked like. If your religion forbids whites and blacks to marry, you cannot refuse to serve mixed couples or rent them a home, or allow them in your hotel. You may decline to say happy anniversary to them, you may decline to speak to them at all, but you must serve them the same you would any other couple. That was the problem with the Indiana law prior to being amended and the Arkansas bill prior to being amended. If giving businesses legal protection to discriminate was not the purpose for this law, it had none as the Federal law already provided the basic protection. The only need for a state provision is to go beyond Federal regulations as a state cannot have lower level of civil rights protections. |
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No, it is not a win/win. The baker may state he is not comfortable (his free speech) but he does not have a right to refuse service if he is operating a business. And the gay couple has a right to shop and be served at any business in the same manner as a straight, or transgender person. You want to call your bakery "The Christian Bakery" go ahead, but a little fish everywhere, post Leviticus passages all around. But when you open a business to the public you don't discriminate no matter what personal animosity you harbor.
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"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." Is this an illegal sentiment? Why would a proprietor hang one of these signs explicitly threatening an action he knows to be illegal? Honestly curious... |
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If we bring back the draft to conscript people to fight in more useless wars, ie. Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan and if Ace aviator John McCain has his way Iran, this stupid law will stop the draft dead in its tracks. Seems like we did n't care about homosexuality and religious beliefs when we needed cannon fodder for wasting people's lives to stop the spread of "communism". As Sarah Palin would say "how did that work out for you?"
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A society creates rules to live by!
The purpose of any society is to provide a group in which like-minded people want to live. Rules are a reflection of the mores, intentions, and way-of-life the particular group wants for themselves. Mideastern societies want to live under Sharia law, more power to them as a willing group of people. In the US our free society provides a set of rules under the Constitution by which we originally agreed to ban together. In the 21st Century the compact is no longer effective. We have no standards of behavior, personal discipline and think each group is "entitled" to personal gain and respect. The US needs to breakup into smaller countries, probably 4, each of which can offer people a choice of values.
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However, breaking the country up into 4 or 3 or even two new countries would cause everyone to lose. Historically, this has usually resulted in problems and ultimately military defeat ... which should that happen, will trump any values disagreements we have. Rodney King's words still ring true ... "can't we all just get along?" We had better learn to. |
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People of faith will follow the written word of thir specific God. They have no respect for the law IF THE LAW does not mimic their faith. The question is, which faith and version of that faith is to be followed in America? Or perhaps, the country should have freedom of religion and allow a democratic process decide on civil laws that would
NOT ALLOW GOVERNMENT TO ENFRINGE ON ANY RELIGION OR ALLOW RELIGIOUS FOLLOWERS TO ENFRINGE ON THOSE THAT BELIEVE DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY DO. |
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#85
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Crazy gay people, expecting to buy stuff with money they earned.
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I wonder why gay people who make outlandish demands on everyone else are now on an anti-religious campaign?
I wonder why they become so intellectually violent if someone disagrees with their agenda? I don't like eastern Indian food does that make me a bigot? I think not I don't like watching gay day pride parades. Does that make me a homophobic? I don't like watching basketball or hockey. Does that make me a bigot? I wouldn't let nudist in my photographic business. Does that make me a bigot? |
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I fully realize that my few dollars and the few dollars of people like me do not make any difference to these stores, but it is still an expression of my opinion. |
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First the quote "He doth protest too much, me thinks" doesn't apply. I only ventured an opinion, not a protest. Secondly while it is not true that I am either homophobic or a bigot even if it were true what difference does it make, providing I live my life without interfering in other lives? Why is it that I am denied choices? Why is it I am subjected to being called names just because of my values? Have we finally reached that Orwellian world. Why is it OK for Home Depot to push for gay issues without ridicule but a place like Chick Fil A is subjected to demands and vilified? The Indian spices do not agree with my taste buds. Its no more than that. My daughter loves the stuff. The reason we are having this conversation is that many people are sick and tired of the intellectual violence being advanced by the gay community to anyone who opposes their idea of what the world should look like. Cest la vie |
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