Originally Posted by Donna2

Every thing cost money. Nothing is free. The USA is going bankrupt. What don't you understand? People paid into SS and have a right to get it back. I have been putting into it for 57 years. Is that hard to understand?

No. You have not been 'paying into it'. You've been paying the people who were retired while you were paying FICA taxes. Now you're expecting, right or wrong, for the next generation to pay for you.

Executives of private companies go to jail for this sort of thing.

Until the mid 1980s, it was still a popular myth that Social Security was a fund where they kept an account of all the money you paid in. Took a long time for the word to get out on that one.

Originally Posted by djplong

No. You have not been 'paying into it'. You've been paying the people who were retired while you were paying FICA taxes. Now you're expecting, right or wrong, for the next generation to pay for you.

Executives of private companies go to jail for this sort of thing.

Until the mid 1980s, it was still a popular myth that Social Security was a fund where they kept an account of all the money you paid in. Took a long time for the word to get out on that one.

You can twist it, turn it, shake it or plain old lie about it, but the fact is that I paid into it for 47 years. Why should I have to suffer because LBJ decided to tap into it and squander billions (trillions?) for his Vietnam War and his so-called War on Poverty.
How about this? How about all that money that went to the poverty people start paying us back now that their on their feet? They are on their feet now, right? Did we lose that war, too?

Donna, back to the original point and the article you included. I enjoyed the article. It shows the point that too much government control and involvement in our lives has made moochers of Americans. Once self-reliant, a growing number of working Americans are contributing little and taking alot. All offered by the government.

New tax credits like the child tax credit, Making Work Pay credit, and the First Time Homebuyer Credit allow middle-class families from paying any income tax. Obama's policies including health care and taxes are increasing the number of moochers and reducing the number of givers.

According to information from your linked story: "How much of that 47% who don’t pay income taxes are living in desperate poverty? The truth is that middle-class entitlements are the unsustainable tumor which fills the beds of Hospice America."

Also, "Both liberals and conservatives have always understood that massive entitlements for the middle class, such as the left-wing Holy Grail of socialized medicine, were the endgame. They only disagree in their perception of which game would be ending.

"Representation without taxation is not our fatal problem. People from every income group should accept the responsibility to vote wisely, and insist on absolute fidelity to the Constitution – that mighty covenant between free men and the lawful republic they defied the guns of empire to raise. Our legislators and President are meant to be the guardians of our freedom, not the engineers of our lives… or merchants who trade entitlements for power. The thick web of puppet strings which spread from our titanic State reach deep into the 53% who still pay taxes. Ignorance and ideology led us to this moment, not just the selfish votes of our permanent dependency class. The government needs to shrink, not the electorate."

Originally Posted by Bucco

YOU just dont get it at all. What difference does Bush have to do with this....why is it all about PARTY with you....are you simply a blind party person.

Have you not read people critique the last adminstration for spending ? Why are you always posting simply on party lines.

This administration and congress are making ANY past administration of ANY party look like minor leaguers !

And you NEVER post along party lines do you.

The actions of the previous administration have contributed to the budget problems now. When the Republicans were in power they spent like drunken sailors but where was the outrage about spending then. The Tea Party people were slient. It is fair to compare and contrast except in this forum. I clearly said there is enough blame to go around. But you won't accept any blame for what the party you support has done.

As for my taxes....I pay them and I pay quite alot and I don't complain about it.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Donna, back to the original point and the article you included. I enjoyed the article. It shows the point that too much government control and involvement in our lives has made moochers of Americans. Once self-reliant, a growing number of working Americans are contributing little and taking alot. All offered by the government.

New tax credits like the child tax credit, Making Work Pay credit, and the First Time Homebuyer Credit allow middle-class families from paying any income tax. Obama's policies including health care and taxes are increasing the number of moochers and reducing the number of givers.

According to information from your linked story: "How much of that 47% who don’t pay income taxes are living in desperate poverty? The truth is that middle-class entitlements are the unsustainable tumor which fills the beds of Hospice America."

Also, "Both liberals and conservatives have always understood that massive entitlements for the middle class, such as the left-wing Holy Grail of socialized medicine, were the endgame. They only disagree in their perception of which game would be ending.

"Representation without taxation is not our fatal problem. People from every income group should accept the responsibility to vote wisely, and insist on absolute fidelity to the Constitution – that mighty covenant between free men and the lawful republic they defied the guns of empire to raise. Our legislators and President are meant to be the guardians of our freedom, not the engineers of our lives… or merchants who trade entitlements for power. The thick web of puppet strings which spread from our titanic State reach deep into the 53% who still pay taxes. Ignorance and ideology led us to this moment, not just the selfish votes of our permanent dependency class. The government needs to shrink, not the electorate."

BK. I just re-read it. It was written by Dr. Zero. I just posted another thread featuring his essay on Capitalism. The man is brilliant.

Originally Posted by cologal

And you NEVER post along party lines do you.

The actions of the previous administration have contributed to the budget problems now. When the Republicans were in power they spent like drunken sailors but where was the outrage about spending then. The Tea Party people were slient. It is fair to compare and contrast except in this forum. I clearly said there is enough blame to go around. But you won't accept any blame for what the party you support has done.

As for my taxes....I pay them and I pay quite alot and I don't complain about it.

1. I do not post along party lines. I am conservative for sure and since this board has only been in existence since the primary season in 2008 and I absolutely opposed the current President, you are simply jumping to conclusions.

2. There is no doubt in anyones mind that the previous administration spent too much..NONE and we all thank you for consistently reminding us of that. The Tea party, you are correct, never said a word. To my knowledge it did not exist until recently and that may be the reason. I might add that this administration has with great purpose put everyone else to shame when it comes to spending. Please justify the so called "stimulus" bill...not TARP...the Stimulus !

3. You have brought up your taxes twice in this particular thread. Not sure if you want congratulations or what..but congratulations !~

Originally Posted by Bucco

1. I do not post along party lines. I am conservative for sure and since this board has only been in existence since the primary season in 2008 and I absolutely opposed the current President, you are simply jumping to conclusions.

2. There is no doubt in anyones mind that the previous administration spent too much..NONE and we all thank you for consistently reminding us of that. The Tea party, you are correct, never said a word. To my knowledge it did not exist until recently and that may be the reason. I might add that this administration has with great purpose put everyone else to shame when it comes to spending. Please justify the so called "stimulus" bill...not TARP...the Stimulus !

3. You have brought up your taxes twice in this particular thread. Not sure if you want congratulations or what..but congratulations !~

You justify TARP and then I will justify the Stimulus.

Originally Posted by cologal

You justify TARP and then I will justify the Stimulus.

The stimulus bill (aka the Porkulus Bill) was passed with the Obama promise of unemployment would not go over 8% and millions of jobs would be created. Under Obama's Porkulus bill the unemployment rate is over 13% in some states and it has not created ONE private sector job.






“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; it’s inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

45% of self-identified tea partiers make less than $50,000 per year according to a USA/Gallup poll. Similarly 50% of the entire populationmakes less than $50,000 a year. It seems safe to assume that if about half the country avoids income taxes a similar percentage of the tea party people get away with the same even as they march and scream about their tax burden. Tea partiers want lower income taxes but many of them pay none now.So I guess according to the original thread by Donna many tea partiers should not vote unless of course they are all honorable and there are no slackers among them.

Originally Posted by Donna2

The stimulus bill (aka the Porkulus Bill) was passed with the Obama promise of unemployment would not go over 8% and millions of jobs would be created. Under Obama's Porkulus bill the unemployment rate is over 13% in some states and it has not created ONE private sector job.






“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy; it’s inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” Winston Churchill

It best never to say NOT ONE job.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

Donna, back to the original point and the article you included. I enjoyed the article. It shows the point that too much government control and involvement in our lives has made moochers of Americans. Once self-reliant, a growing number of working Americans are contributing little and taking alot. All offered by the government.

New tax credits like the child tax credit, Making Work Pay credit, and the First Time Homebuyer Credit allow middle-class families from paying any income tax. Obama's policies including health care and taxes are increasing the number of moochers and reducing the number of givers.

According to information from your linked story: "How much of that 47% who don’t pay income taxes are living in desperate poverty? The truth is that middle-class entitlements are the unsustainable tumor which fills the beds of Hospice America."

Also, "Both liberals and conservatives have always understood that massive entitlements for the middle class, such as the left-wing Holy Grail of socialized medicine, were the endgame. They only disagree in their perception of which game would be ending.

"Representation without taxation is not our fatal problem. People from every income group should accept the responsibility to vote wisely, and insist on absolute fidelity to the Constitution – that mighty covenant between free men and the lawful republic they defied the guns of empire to raise. Our legislators and President are meant to be the guardians of our freedom, not the engineers of our lives… or merchants who trade entitlements for power. The thick web of puppet strings which spread from our titanic State reach deep into the 53% who still pay taxes. Ignorance and ideology led us to this moment, not just the selfish votes of our permanent dependency class. The government needs to shrink, not the electorate."

I can't believe what I am reading.....the middleclass is the engine of the economy.

Originally Posted by cologal

It best never to say NOT ONE job.

Your right, of course. It could very well be 100,000 negative jobs. In other words the stimulus could have lost more jobs then it gained?


Thanks for the correction.

cologal, what do you mean, "I can't believe what I am reading.....the middleclass is the engine of the economy." ?

I also can't believe what I'm reading.Anyone who rails against child tax credits,work pay credits and first homebuyer credits that help an ever shrinking middle class and says nothing about corporate welfare(Exxon-Mobil paid $0000000 in Fed. income tax and there are more)or the huge tax breaks the wealthy have been given over the past 20 years mystifies me. Why are you defending the weathiest 1% and punishing the middle class is beyond my comprehension.I happen to be part of that middle class and when someone like you wants to take away the few advantages that I have tax wise and totally ignore the wealthy and all their advantages and big business and all their tax loopholes I just don't get it. Do you realize that I paid more federal income tax than Exxon!!

How am I punishing anyone waynet? I mean, you say you are one of the middle class whose being brought down to the poverty level by government and now you are trying to get every thing the can from the government. How did I contribute to that?