It is interesting that our liberal friends are always wanting more central government and less state involvement.

Then they come on here and use Sweden and Denmark as examples of how this should work.

They are all wet and as always, misinformed. Fact is....

[B]"Which leads me to my basic point. Yes, it’s absolutely true that Sweden and Denmark have both high taxes and large welfare states: they also work very well as countries. The reason they do is that underneath the high tax and large welfare states they’re economically free, even classically liberal economies. Further, that their tax and spending is local meaning that it is done efficiently and with the consent of the local populace.

That is, the Nordic social democracies might indeed be what many American liberals see as the desirable society: they just happen to be places which do everything in entirely the opposite manner to which most American liberals argue things should be done."[/B]

See....."The big tax on incomes is imposed by the municipalities in Sweden and by the communes in Denmark, those latter being groupings of as few as 10,000 citizens. These local taxes are high: 25-35% of incomes. But this is, as you will note, entirely the opposite of the US system. US taxes are low at the local level, usually just property taxes and perhaps a local sales tax. Taxes are higher at the State level but are rarely above 6 or 7% of income and perhaps the same again in sales taxes. The big tax gatherer is the Federal Government.

Forbes Welcome

Grass is always greener if you do not read

You can always tell when a liberal speaks that he/she has never lived outside of the U.S.A. and that they are recipients of someone else's labor. Now I can see why liberals were against earlier wars when we fought socialism. They consider it a war against their ideology.

Originally Posted by guest

norway, switzerland, canada, sweden, and germany seem to be doing pretty good.

when are you moving?

I met a guy who lived here and works for the Golf Admin. he told me he was from Denmark. I asked why he left. He said he was fed up with being taxed so heavily and being left with little.

I do agree that many Americans just do not financial prepare for retirement. so their complaints about socials security deductions are illogical. I have never had a problem with social security as such. I do have a problem in the manner our government representative mismanage this fund and allow it to be abused with so many fraud claims especially in disability. If the pols could keep their hands off our money it would be a useful safety net to many people for many years to come.

Those on this thread who desire socialism apparently forget or ignore the problems the federal government and individual states are having with entitlement programs that are eating up budgets faster than they can create them. Add to that federal public union medical and retirement benefits and the fed and states are drowning in red ink.

Why because unlike Denmark, Sweden, etc Americans try to take out more than their counterparts. We have all read those stories where between fed and state handouts people are walking away with $50,000 to $80,000 annually. As Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher once said the problem with socialism is pretty soon you run out of other people's money" .

America's debt today is unsustainable and I for one am sick of people throwing themselves a party, while I am not invited, but I end up paying for it.

If as a retired senior I am living sweet its because from at age 14 my wife and I planned our lives and how we were to achieve our goals. Halfway along the way my business career tumbled and we started all over again but we weathered the storm made intelligent decisions and recovered most of what we lost. Our story is many people's story who live here. We did the responsible and intelligent things. We did not ask for a hand out. We believed in self sufficiency ,sacrifice and careful planning.

So to those of you who live in this wonderful community pat yourself on the back, thank God for his giving you the strength you needed to provide for your family and yourself because you deserve every bit of it

Originally Posted by Guest

I met a guy who lived here and works for the Golf Admin. he told me he was from Denmark. I asked why he left. He said he was fed up with being taxed so heavily and being left with little.

I do agree that many Americans just do not financial prepare for retirement. so their complaints about socials security deductions are illogical. I have never had a problem with social security as such. I do have a problem in the manner our government representative mismanage this fund and allow it to be abused with so many fraud claims especially in disability. If the pols could keep their hands off our money it would be a useful safety net to many people for many years to come.

Those on this thread who desire socialism apparently forget or ignore the problems the federal government and individual states are having with entitlement programs that are eating up budgets faster than they can create them. Add to that federal public union medical and retirement benefits and the fed and states are drowning in red ink.

Why because unlike Denmark, Sweden, etc Americans try to take out more than their counterparts. We have all read those stories where between fed and state handouts people are walking away with $50,000 to $80,000 annually. As Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher once said the problem with socialism is pretty soon you run out of other people's money" .

America's debt today is unsustainable and I for one am sick of people throwing themselves a party, while I am not invited, but I end up paying for it.

If as a retired senior I am living sweet its because from at age 14 my wife and I planned our lives and how we were to achieve our goals. Halfway along the way my business career tumbled and we started all over again but we weathered the storm made intelligent decisions and recovered most of what we lost. Our story is many people's story who live here. We did the responsible and intelligent things. We did not ask for a hand out. We believed in self sufficiency ,sacrifice and careful planning.

So to those of you who live in this wonderful community pat yourself on the back, thank God for his giving you the strength you needed to provide for your family and yourself because you deserve every bit of it

Amen brother! Very well said. Funny how those that work the hardest, expect very little from the gov., and those that contribute the least believe the gov owes them the most.

Originally Posted by Guest

Amen brother! Very well said. Funny how those that work the hardest, expect very little from the gov., and those that contribute the least believe the gov owes them the most.

NAiled it!

Originally Posted by Guest

I met a guy who lived here and works for the Golf Admin. he told me he was from Denmark. I asked why he left. He said he was fed up with being taxed so heavily and being left with little.

I do agree that many Americans just do not financial prepare for retirement. so their complaints about socials security deductions are illogical. I have never had a problem with social security as such. I do have a problem in the manner our government representative mismanage this fund and allow it to be abused with so many fraud claims especially in disability. If the pols could keep their hands off our money it would be a useful safety net to many people for many years to come.

Those on this thread who desire socialism apparently forget or ignore the problems the federal government and individual states are having with entitlement programs that are eating up budgets faster than they can create them. Add to that federal public union medical and retirement benefits and the fed and states are drowning in red ink.

Why because unlike Denmark, Sweden, etc Americans try to take out more than their counterparts. We have all read those stories where between fed and state handouts people are walking away with $50,000 to $80,000 annually. As Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher once said the problem with socialism is pretty soon you run out of other people's money" .

America's debt today is unsustainable and I for one am sick of people throwing themselves a party, while I am not invited, but I end up paying for it.

If as a retired senior I am living sweet its because from at age 14 my wife and I planned our lives and how we were to achieve our goals. Halfway along the way my business career tumbled and we started all over again but we weathered the storm made intelligent decisions and recovered most of what we lost. Our story is many people's story who live here. We did the responsible and intelligent things. We did not ask for a hand out. We believed in self sufficiency ,sacrifice and careful planning.

So to those of you who live in this wonderful community pat yourself on the back, thank God for his giving you the strength you needed to provide for your family and yourself because you deserve every bit of it

As someone said earlier in this thread, it is absolutely SHOCKING that someone actually craves socialism.

Do they not read history ? Do they not study and read anything ?

Originally Posted by Guest

As someone said earlier in this thread, it is absolutely SHOCKING that someone actually craves socialism.

Do they not read history ? Do they not study and read anything ?

They don't care. They feel entitled to share in the fruits of your labor.

Originally Posted by Guest

They don't care. They feel entitled to share in the fruits of your labor.