Originally Posted by Tbugs

Once again, I have to say that life does not begin until a baby is born or can sustain itself by breathing outside the mother's body.[/U]

Then those on respirators are not human anymore. I guess keeping Chris Reeves alive for so long was a crime against nature, by your definition. It doesn't change things that he could think as you've discounted brain activity as life.

Richie,
You know very well I was speaking of a fetus. And I never mentioned "crime against nature." Christopher Reeve accomplished much during his time as a quadriplegic by bringing stem cell research to the attention of Americans. I really am somewhat surprised that a conservative would hold a person in esteem that championed stem cell research. Good for you.

Originally Posted by Tbugs

Richie,
You know very well I was speaking of a fetus. And I never mentioned "crime against nature." Christopher Reeve accomplished much during his time as a quadriplegic by bringing stem cell research to the attention of Americans. I really am somewhat surprised that a conservative would hold a person in esteem that championed stem cell research. Good for you.

I just using your arguments. What you call a fetus I call a human being. I'm just saying if breathing is life, as you say in your argument as to what constitutes a human being, than my analogy stands that any human being that cannot breathe is not a human being by your own words. I don't believe that, but that was your argument.

If a baby is born prematurely at 5 months and doctors work hard to help the baby survive, I'd imagine you'd be alright with that.

If a baby is 5 months in the womb (exactly the same baby) and is aborted, you call it a fetus, give your blessing to have that human life destroyed and sleep well at night. I'm sorry, but you'll never convince me that it's not infanticide.

The problem in the abortion debate is that there are two legitimate rights in conflict: (1) The right of the mother to control her own body, and (2) The right of the baby to live. Both these rights need to be recognized.

IMHO, the most straightforward way to do this is to allow the mother’s rights to be the first priority until the baby can survive outside the womb. This would correspond to the first two trimesters. During the third trimester, the baby’s right to live takes priority over the mother’s right to an abortion. The only exception to this would be when either carrying the baby to full term or having a C-section impairs the mother’s health. Neither rape nor incest compromises the baby’s right to life at this time. The mother had six months to make her determination.

Unlike many others, I believe that elective abortion should be paid for by all health insurance plans including Medicaid. The cycle of poverty and the increasing rate of single parenthood, brought about largely by the ‘Aid to Mothers With Dependent Children Act, must be stemmed by making safe and legal abortions available and affordable to women in the first two trimesters.

Richie,
You obviously have strong views on abortion that are completely different than mine. I am going to drop the topic.

Originally Posted by Tbugs

Richie,
You obviously have strong views on abortion that are completely different than mine. I am going to drop the topic.

I know, it's always the never ending argument because it never makes any kind of sense. Pro-abortionists always have to jump through hoops to justify their beliefs and no matter what life science you show them they stick to dogma like it was a religion. In many ways, it is.

Even BBQ's proposition for the rights to the procedure up to six months has the effect of killing a viable baby.

So, we drop the subject; but did you know Planned Parenthood performs an abortion every 95 seconds?

CNS New links Planned Parenthoods own fact sheet. Check for yourself.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...fe-american-ev

OK Rinos.. defend this: CBO says the budget deal actually only reduces spending by
$352 million; NOT BILLION.. that is less that 1% that is ONE PERCENT of the 38 billion they said the deal was worth and it is less than One third of ONE percent of what they promised.. What a great deal..
DUMP Boehner and anyone that votes for this SCAM
I told you they BROKE THEIR PLEDGE..and now they are trying to scam us.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/budge...llion-20110413

Take a good close look at the article. The CBO said it's $352M less than *2010* spending. It's $78B less than Obama's originally proposed 2011 budget bill and the $39B number comes from the 2011 spending plans which WERE higher than 2011.

Originally Posted by djplong

Take a good close look at the article. The CBO said it's $352M less than *2010* spending. It's $78B less than Obama's originally proposed 2011 budget bill and the $39B number comes from the 2011 spending plans which WERE higher than 2011.

Using your logic, if I am broke and am increasing the RATE of my spending EVERY YEAR,and I need to reduce my spending to avoid bankruptcy, to get a loan from my banker I just need to say that I will cut my spending from the 78 billion ADDITIONAL dollars my wife was going to spend this year or 39 billion ADDITIONAL spending I was going to spend, and I can call that a cut and therefore my banker should consider that a GOOD start on fixing my fiances and allow me to borrow another 700 BILLION to spend THIS YEAR!!! I am sorry but that makes no sense. My banker would drop kick me out of his building and that is what we need to do to Boehner, Obama, Reid, and all of the Repubs and dems who are pushing this scam.
JJ

Jim,

Yes, we should put the new team of Sarah (I quit, I quit) Palin, Michelle (swine flu a Democrat invention), and Ron (chicken little was right) Paul in charge.

Hey, with that team in charge of America, we could just reach up and flush the whole country right down the toilet.

And has for two years!

btk

Originally Posted by Tbugs

Jim,

Yes, we should put the new team of Sarah (I quit, I quit) Palin, Michelle (swine flu a Democrat invention), and Ron (chicken little was right) Paul in charge.

Hey, with that team in charge of America, we could just reach up and flush the whole country right down the toilet.

In the twilight glow I seen her-Blue eyes crying in the rain.When we kissed goodbye and parted. I knew we'd never meet again. Love is like a dying ember And only memories remainAnd through the ages I'll remember - Blue eyes crying in the rain. Someday when we meet up yonder - We'll stroll hand in hand again In the land that knows no parting. Blue eyes crying in the rain.

Do RINO's all have blue eyes?