That's the description that Joe Scarborough gave to the Romney campaign this morning.

That's a damning criticism from a member of the Tea Party before there was a Tea Party. Like a lot of us, Scarborough cries out for stronger leadership of the GOP, both in Congress as well as from the presidential candidate.

That's been my feeling for a long time. I'll vote for Romney, but I'm not happy about it. He does not appear to be the strong leader that this country is crying out for. He was the best from among the likes of Michelle Bachman, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich and the like, but that's not saying much.

As Scarborough said, Romney seems to be embracing the campaign slogan the media used to describe Walter Mondale's campaign in 1984....Dare to be cautious!

Where are our strong leaders, those skilled in politics? Compare the candidates we have to choose from to the likes of FDR, Harry Truman, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, even Richard Nixon. Those guys all had plans, principles, and were able to convince both the public and the Congress to follow them. They all didn't always have the political advantage, but they all achieved notable legislative and foreign policy successes. They said what they thought, made decisions they thought best for the country....and weren't afraid to take responsibility for them!

Where the heck are those people today?

This from the very liberal Huffington Post.

How Joe Scarborough Went From Conservative Congressman To Liberal Favorite Talk Show Host

Originally Posted by RichieLion

This from the very liberal Huffington Post.

How Joe Scarborough Went From Conservative Congressman To Liberal Favorite Talk Show Host

Ah the old right-wing staple, if you don't like the message, attack the messenger. Scarborough seems like a very independent thinker, which is, of course, verboten among the don't deviate from the message right.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

This from the very liberal Huffington Post.

How Joe Scarborough Went From Conservative Congressman To Liberal Favorite Talk Show Host

Like Coach, I'm not at all surprised that you Attack Scarborough, but avoid commenting on the veracity of Scarborough's description, completely bypassing any comment on Romney's campaign pledges. I think I know why--because there aren't any!

So let's agree to disagree on whether or not Scarborough is a conservative or a newfound liberal. What's left on the table are the planks in Romney's campaign platform. What's left are his plans for the country that he sets forth after criticizing all that Obama has done, saying he will "repeal and replace" many of them.

So go ahead, Richie, enlighten us all with some specifics that you've been able to find from Romney's campaign. What are his plans for replacing ObamaCare? Specifically, where and how will he cut government spending? How long will it be before we return to having a balanced federal budget? If he cuts taxes, what are the elements of his tax reform plan that will keep revenue neutral? What specifics has he set forth on any of those questions?

I'd love to know the answer to any of those questions left open after hearing and reading the "voidless mass of soundbites" that seem to be Romney's platform.

Richie will not have the answers and I would be surprised at any response because Romney has no positions on anything. It's why he will lose.

Isnt PERCEPTION something to behold.....our perception of Romney today....

In 2008, during the primary AND the general election campaign, our current President promised on so many occasions a comprehensive immigrant policy. He controlled both houses of congress but did NOTHING, NOR did he actually attempt to do anything.

Then, he deported in 3 years more than the previous administration had in 8 years.

He is now PERCEIVED as the saviour for immigration because of one speech where he did or rather said something but gave no details, no rules on how to do it or avoid doing it !!!

PERCEPTION is wonderful...makes it easy if we do not have to face reality !!!

What this has to do with this thread is how the media has molded two different perceptions of two different men.

You guys kill me. So pompous. Again, I'm honored to be bigger than the story that you 2 "esteemed" poster need to stomp on me personally, and make me bigger than the story. I guess with my personality it's perfectly understandable.

A post calls Scarborough a Tea Party pioneer and refers to him as conservative.

Without comment, I submit a story by the most liberal website there may be, about how Scarborough has morphed into a liberal talk show host, and you say that it's me attacking Scarborough?

If you were honest in your commentary, you could say it's the Huffington Post "attacking" Scarborough.

I'm glad you realize that calling Scarborugh a liberal is attacking him. Nobody want to be slimed with that label. A "liberal"; omg!!

I am sure they are out there somewhere, but could someone link or direct me to President Obama's specific plans for

entitlement

tax reform

Thanks

Not his relection website please but where he has spelled these out

I usually watch Morning Joe but not today but in my reading, there is another version of some of the things that Joe said today....Maybe you just missed it or were out of the room...

"Joe Scarborough flipped out over the 2012 election after blasting campaign finance at length on Monday's "Morning Joe."

Brzezinski was reading an op-ed criticizing Republican donors when Scarborough let loose on campaign spending. He called it a "perversion of the political system," and proceeded to criticize both parties.

"Can I just blow myself up right here?" Scarborough said. "This is a really gross campaign. You got all of these people spending billions of dollars, you got two candidates who are saying nothing." He alleged that both Romney and Obama are merely giving boring speeches without offering any concrete plans for health care, Social Security or jobs.

"They're saying nothing, but they're spending more money than ever before to say it," Scarborough blasted. "This is a gross, repulsive campaign that is sound and fury signifying nothing."

Joe Scarborough: 'This Is A Gross, Repulsive Campaign' (VIDEO)

Just saying.....you sure missed the part that made the blogs !!!!

Actually, I have been unable to locate that "voidless mass of soundbites" anywhere thus far

Originally Posted by RichieLion

You guys kill me. So pompous. Again, I'm honored to be bigger than the story that you 2 "esteemed" poster need to stomp on me personally, and make me bigger than the story. I guess with my personality it's perfectly understandable.

A post calls Scarborough a Tea Party pioneer and refers to him as conservative.

Without comment, I submit a story by the most liberal website there may be, about how Scarborough has morphed into a liberal talk show host, and you say that it's me attacking Scarborough?

If you were honest in your commentary, you could say it's the Huffington Post "attacking" Scarborough.

I'm glad you realize that calling Scarborugh a liberal is attacking him. Nobody want to be slimed with that label. A "liberal"; omg!!

Personally, I don't find you "bigger than the story", it is only your ego that is bigger than anything that I can see. Interesting you see me to be pompous, it must mean you see me as an equal.
"Without comment", you mean you post a story without caveat and expect that we would assume you are not in agreement?
It's the Huffington Post attacking Scarborough.... Did you read your own link? The story was exerpted in Huffington Post and appeared in it's entirety in New York Magazine, by the way, four years ago.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I usually watch Morning Joe but not today but in my reading, there is another version of some of the things that Joe said today....Maybe you just missed it or were out of the room...

"Joe Scarborough flipped out over the 2012 election after blasting campaign finance at length on Monday's "Morning Joe."

Brzezinski was reading an op-ed criticizing Republican donors when Scarborough let loose on campaign spending. He called it a "perversion of the political system," and proceeded to criticize both parties.

"Can I just blow myself up right here?" Scarborough said. "This is a really gross campaign. You got all of these people spending billions of dollars, you got two candidates who are saying nothing." He alleged that both Romney and Obama are merely giving boring speeches without offering any concrete plans for health care, Social Security or jobs.

"They're saying nothing, but they're spending more money than ever before to say it," Scarborough blasted. "This is a gross, repulsive campaign that is sound and fury signifying nothing."

Joe Scarborough: 'This Is A Gross, Repulsive Campaign' (VIDEO)

Just saying.....you sure missed the part that made the blogs !!!!

Actually, I have been unable to locate that "voidless mass of soundbites" anywhere thus far

Joe was correct on that one too, Bucco. As I've said here many times, the Citizens United decision, letting loose the hundreds of millions of private money into both campaigns will likely change the American electoral process forever.

But thanks again for exhibiting your deep suspicion that anything I say is pro-Obama, pro-Democrat, and somehow carries a hidden meaning...even though I intend to vote for Romney.

Joe's comment (rant) on the "voidless mass..." was in the 6-7 AM hour.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Joe was correct on that one too, Bucco. As I've said here many times, the Citizens United decision, letting loose the hundreds of millions of private money into both campaigns will likely change the American electoral process forever.

But thanks again for exhibiting your deep suspicion that anything I say is pro-Obama, pro-Democrat, and somehow carries a hidden meaning...even though I intend to vote for Romney.

Joe's comment (rant) on the "voidless mass..." was in the 6-7 AM hour.

I too plan to vote for Romney ----- UNLESS, he begins to cowtow to grover norquist and the tea party too strongly. If he shows signs of standing for independent conservative thinking I'll be with him.

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Joe was correct on that one too, Bucco. As I've said here many times, the Citizens United decision, letting loose the hundreds of millions of private money into both campaigns will likely change the American electoral process forever.

But thanks again for exhibiting your deep suspicion that anything I say is pro-Obama, pro-Democrat, and somehow carries a hidden meaning...even though I intend to vote for Romney.

Joe's comment (rant) on the "voidless mass..." was in the 6-7 AM hour.

I just watched at their website a rant he made in the MUST READ OP EDS on a NYT editorial criticizing spending by one Romney donor. He then railed on both campaigns and actually I think leaned more on Obama for no specifics on any issues, but cannot find what you are reporting

I do not WANT to be suspicious but let me be up front. You rail on issues and pretty much always point a finger at, or as in this case use someone elses finger at the Republican side. This post is a perfect example of what I said the other day. The issue is the spending by both sides, both pacs but your posts are always slanted ONE WAY and very very specific.

Then when I bring it up you say oh yeah that is correct also...you did it on a couple congressional bills and you do it all the time with Obama and Romney

It is your right to post whatever you want and to believe whatever you want, but it is becoming more than a trend with these posts...you alter your presentation to lean one way. Then later you make an "endorsement" of your Romney vote sound almost like an Obama sound bite. You can post any darn thing you want and say whatever you want to say....but every time I go off checking I find things like this...you give only the percentage of the story that will criticize one side only.

I will keep looking for the quote you attribute him to and/or a video of it.....been all over their website with no luck.

But you are a smarter man than someone to be twisting a show in order to condemn one person. I do not like nor can defend Obama, but even I have not nor will not do that, an I try very hard to put things into perspective.

I sincerely hope that my suspicions are totally unfounded


PS...I neglected to add a link for the video I referred to. Cant imagin this and the other on the same show but....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/...v-morning_joe/

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

I too plan to vote for Romney ----- UNLESS, he begins to cowtow to grover norquist and the tea party too strongly. If he shows signs of standing for independent conservative thinking I'll be with him.

My vote will be, as it was last election, a anti Obama vote.

BUT when I speak of the media, I have great concerns about that. They, the media, are painting Romney into a corner, NOT he himself. If you notice those who post on here that are just parroting the party soundbites and such, it is much the same about him and then when you actually check it out, you find it is just garbage.

This is a good example...they rant about BOTH candidates....MOSTLY Obama and his total lack of specifics and it comes out anti Romney. That point, by the way was also made very clearly on Morning Joe this morning...ie, the money is bad unless the Democrats have it. He said that he has been saying that for years and most on the panel agreed with him.

This is not a defense of Romney...not meant to ....but I cannot stand out of context, just a bit of a lie, kind of statements. And frankly, I think Romney is in trouble because of the media painting and the fact that in the debates he will not be able to turn it around on the glib one. Facts is they discussed THAT on Morning Joe this morning...I watched that on a video clip where the amount of time given for the debates will not be enough for either of them to give specifics.

Ok...will go away, but his kind of thread is what annoys me more than the obvious little ads for Obama....tell the truth is my plea. For example, Obama has been the worse thing that has ever been in office relative to the immigrants and he lied to them, yet he is painted as the wonderful one by the media.

health care...I backed Obama on this forum actually..on his proposals and his mission, both of which he lied on and made it political and then he lost me but I have supported him in some issues and say it. I do not paint pictures that are fuzzy ! You catch me telling a lie, you tell me. You catch me presenting something out of context, you tell me

I suspect that many of the posters here have read biographies on some of our past presidents. If you recall many of them started out with many critics but eventually won them over. And it is a given that history is kinder to past presidents then some may deserve.

In my opinion voters can now pass judgement on Obama because he has had his 15 minutes in the sun and has failed miserably.

Romney on the other hand is in campaign mode. It requires give and take between candidate and voter for a variety of reasons including not turning voters off too soon before a candidate has had an opportunity to build his/her programs.

FDR was a favorite but not one of my favorites. History was kinder to him than he deserved. Many of his policies during the depression were wrong and prolonged it. Clinton would have also failed miserably but for the six years that he had to work with a Republican Congress. History also favors him more than he deserves. Nixon was a total disaster short of his opening negotiations with China. Kennedy was popular only and revered due to his demise. Truman is a favorite of mine because he could be trusted and stood by his decisions many of which carried high consequences. Ronald Reagan is my favorite because he reintroduced patriotism and pride in America and brought propserity back to America.

I believe that Romney will make a good president because he has the intelligence, experience in problem solving and decision making, humble but confident,understands the economy and is very ehtical. He unlike Obama works to build things and concensus whereas Obama's background as an organizer was alwaysto tear down and divide.