Fox Noise is a mouth piece for the Republican party

Just to keep it real, the other major networks are mouth pieces for the Democratic party. That's about 5 to 1.

I still say both Bush and his administration totally lied in the run up to the war and all through out the 8 years

Lied about what?

Hey!!!; the point of this post was my dismay at having to pony up big bucks in January when the tax cuts sunset.

I'm thinking, if Cologal is representative of the Libs, than the Libs could agree to pay the renewed tax burden, that she so ardently wants reinstated, while the rest of us continue to benefit from the Bush Tax Cuts.

We'll keep calling it the Bush Tax Cuts as that will influence the Libs to continue to treat them with disdain. We can even agree to consider ourselves "losers" for agreeing to continue in a program named after the horrid former President.

This is my bi-partisan solution to give everyone what they want. What could be fairer?

Originally Posted by cologal

I saw the HUG thing completely differently....the sad thing with the electronic age is we are really unable to tell, for the most part, the intent of the poster. So I took it at face value. I did meet some TEA party people and they did scare me....all the yelling, taking over meetings to what end? And the signs.....the guns. Guns scare me big time.

I have been to several anti-war protests all peaceful...no rock throwing.

As I have 3 nephews in the service, one has been to the war zone 5 times winning the purple heart on his Th tour, I expect the President to only use the troops in defense of the United States. I struggle with the Afghan war as the 9/11 attacks came from there...but there was no excuse to invade a country that did NOT attack us. I still say both Bush and his administration totally lied in the run up to the war and all through out the 8 years...leaving the current administration holding the bag.

You don't like the main stream media and I think Fox Noise is a mouth piece for the Republican party. I mainly watch Morning Joe, PBS Evening News and Rachel Maddow. Today I took in about 1 hour a Fox Noise just to check in.

Even at face value I still felt that it wasn't an appropriate response and did nothing to advance the topic or discussion.
Moving on.....It sounds like you happened to be at one of the 'Town Hall' events, rather than a TEA party event. Those events have had a history of degenerating into shouting matches when people, who are upset because their representatives are ignoring their input, are talked down to or have fun made of their concerns and ridiculed for their concern. The make-up of the TEA parties is truly bi-partisian, both racial and political. (actually more than bi-. All parties and races) All are citizens concerned about the way things are going. As for the signs, I really get a kick out of the creativity, except for the 'fringe kooks' that EVERY group seems to attract. Accept those for what, or who, they are. Guns scare the he** out of a lot of people and, rightly so, when in the hands of idiots, incompetents, young children and those who want to settle a grudge. Any sane person would be scared in that situation. I have no problem when in the hands, or holster, of someone who respects AND fears the power of that gun.
I realize that ALL protests don't degenerate into violence but, since NONE of the news services spend much time on peaceful gatherings, a disproportionate amount of protests are reported on when it happens. Look at what happens when a sports team has a major accomplishment. "Let's all get drunk and go burn something and break windows". That's not political, just human stupidity.
To your nephews...Thank them for their service and sacrifice. Very proud of them. A Purple Heart is not given out lightly. I hope that he is OK. My son and his wife are both Marines. My son was in Iraq for a short time and thankfully did not encounter any problems. My service was USAF stationed at a SAC base with B-52's and Atlas missiles. Although everyone wants to focus on the WMD problem, the AQ training camps were there and were being supported by the regime. Personally, if I were POTUS I would probably lie to the press and congress as long as I could, because they don't have the sense to KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT on matters of national security. In WWII reporters were on the battlefield with the troops and knew enough to hold their stories until after the action was over.
Someone on TOTV has a quote by Mark Twain that I like, "If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you do read the papers, you're mis-informed". If you're only exposed to one opinion or one side of an argument, you have no basis in fact to form your own opinion. How effective would our court system be if only the defense or prosecution were allowed to present their case? Given only one set of facts, a jury or judge would have a very hard time making an informed decision. As far as FOX being an 'arrm of the Republican Party', that seems to me to be a bit of a reach. In the NEWS segments, I see the stories being presented fairly straightforward without biased commentary. The OPINION shows on the other hand strongly lean conservative. There are liberals on the shows and they identify themselves from time to time. Stossel calls himself libertarian, Colmes is very liberal, Sean calls himself a conservative, Greta says she is liberal. Point being, no matter their leanings, they try to present both sides to the viewers, in the stories and the interviews. I am curious about the hour of Fox you watched. Was it a straight hour or hit and run during the day. Makes a difference on reaching an opinion.
Enough rambling for now and sorry to be so long-winded but I hate one-line 'zingers'. (except in jest)

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Hey!!!; the point of this post was my dismay at having to pony up big bucks in January when the tax cuts sunset.

I'm thinking, if Cologal is representative of the Libs, than the Libs could agree to pay the renewed tax burden, that she so ardently wants reinstated, while the rest of us continue to benefit from the Bush Tax Cuts.

We'll keep calling it the Bush Tax Cuts as that will influence the Libs to continue to treat them with disdain. We can even agree to consider ourselves "losers" for agreeing to continue in a program named after the horrid former President.

This is my bi-partisan solution to give everyone what they want. What could be fairer?

Didn't mean to Hi-jack your thread. Just got carried away having a dialogue instead of trading one-line 'zingers'. ....but i digress....
On one of the shows, probably Sean's, I liked the solution that was suggested. If you don't think the government is getting enough of your money, nobody is stopping you from writing a check to the IRS. I don't believe the IRS was flooded with checks from kind, compassionate liberals, unless they got it from their conservative neighbors.

Originally Posted by dklassen

Just to keep it real, the other major networks are mouth pieces for the Democratic party. That's about 5 to 1.



Lied about what?

I won't even comment about your paranoia regarding the MSM...you perceive a problem because you believe the reporters to have a liberal bias.

Lied about what.... "We Do Not Torture" "Yellow Cake in *****" "Weapons of Mass Distruction"

Originally Posted by macro

Even at face value I still felt that it wasn't an appropriate response and did nothing to advance the topic or discussion.
Moving on.....It sounds like you happened to be at one of the 'Town Hall' events, rather than a TEA party event. Those events have had a history of degenerating into shouting matches when people, who are upset because their representatives are ignoring their input, are talked down to or have fun made of their concerns and ridiculed for their concern. The make-up of the TEA parties is truly bi-partisian, both racial and political. (actually more than bi-. All parties and races) All are citizens concerned about the way things are going. As for the signs, I really get a kick out of the creativity, except for the 'fringe kooks' that EVERY group seems to attract. Accept those for what, or who, they are. Guns scare the he** out of a lot of people and, rightly so, when in the hands of idiots, incompetents, young children and those who want to settle a grudge. Any sane person would be scared in that situation. I have no problem when in the hands, or holster, of someone who respects AND fears the power of that gun.
I realize that ALL protests don't degenerate into violence but, since NONE of the news services spend much time on peaceful gatherings, a disproportionate amount of protests are reported on when it happens. Look at what happens when a sports team has a major accomplishment. "Let's all get drunk and go burn something and break windows". That's not political, just human stupidity.
To your nephews...Thank them for their service and sacrifice. Very proud of them. A Purple Heart is not given out lightly. I hope that he is OK. My son and his wife are both Marines. My son was in Iraq for a short time and thankfully did not encounter any problems. My service was USAF stationed at a SAC base with B-52's and Atlas missiles. Although everyone wants to focus on the WMD problem, the AQ training camps were there and were being supported by the regime. Personally, if I were POTUS I would probably lie to the press and congress as long as I could, because they don't have the sense to KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT on matters of national security. In WWII reporters were on the battlefield with the troops and knew enough to hold their stories until after the action was over.
Someone on TOTV has a quote by Mark Twain that I like, "If you don't read the papers, you're uninformed. If you do read the papers, you're mis-informed". If you're only exposed to one opinion or one side of an argument, you have no basis in fact to form your own opinion. How effective would our court system be if only the defense or prosecution were allowed to present their case? Given only one set of facts, a jury or judge would have a very hard time making an informed decision. As far as FOX being an 'arrm of the Republican Party', that seems to me to be a bit of a reach. In the NEWS segments, I see the stories being presented fairly straightforward without biased commentary. The OPINION shows on the other hand strongly lean conservative. There are liberals on the shows and they identify themselves from time to time. Stossel calls himself libertarian, Colmes is very liberal, Sean calls himself a conservative, Greta says she is liberal. Point being, no matter their leanings, they try to present both sides to the viewers, in the stories and the interviews. I am curious about the hour of Fox you watched. Was it a straight hour or hit and run during the day. Makes a difference on reaching an opinion.
Enough rambling for now and sorry to be so long-winded but I hate one-line 'zingers'. (except in jest)

The nephew with the Purple Heart is a Marine..... And a nut job pulled a gun out on me when I asked him to stop throwing rocks at a dog. Scared the crap out of me.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Hey!!!; the point of this post was my dismay at having to pony up big bucks in January when the tax cuts sunset.

I'm thinking, if Cologal is representative of the Libs, than the Libs could agree to pay the renewed tax burden, that she so ardently wants reinstated, while the rest of us continue to benefit from the Bush Tax Cuts.

We'll keep calling it the Bush Tax Cuts as that will influence the Libs to continue to treat them with disdain. We can even agree to consider ourselves "losers" for agreeing to continue in a program named after the horrid former President.

This is my bi-partisan solution to give everyone what they want. What could be fairer?

Richie....

I am really confused these tax cuts were enacted to encourage growth and create jobs. We should be able to agree, given the current situation they failed to do what they were supposed to do. What purpose do they have now? Let's forget about the last 8 years...lets just talk about the last year have these tax cuts helped to encourage growth or create jobs? I think not.

Originally Posted by dklassen

Just to keep it real, the other major networks are mouth pieces for the Democratic party. That's about 5 to 1.



Lied about what?

Agree. Obama has lied so much it would be easier to tell his truths, which are far and few.

You can't have tax cuts and outrageous spending and expect the tax cuts to work. You must be fiscally responsible which means cut taxes and curb spending together. The government can't continue to spend the money generated by the tax cuts (and more) and expect things to pick up.

But the speaker of the house says that paying people to do nothing stimulates the economy.

Originally Posted by dklassen

Just to keep it real, the other major networks are mouth pieces for the Democratic party. That's about 5 to 1.



Lied about what?

From a Nexis search a few moments ago:

Total words about the NASA Muslim outreach program in the New York Times: 0.

Total words about the NASA Muslim outreach program in the Washington Post: 0.

Total words about the NASA Muslim outreach program on NBC Nightly News: 0.

Total words about the NASA Muslim outreach program on ABC World News: 0.

Total words about the NASA Muslim outreach program on CBS Evening News: 0.

If you were to receive your news from any one of these outlets, or even all of them together, and you heard about some sort of controversy involving the Obama administration redefining the space agency’s mission to feature outreach to Muslim countries, your response would be, “Huh?” Among all the news these distinguished outlets have seen fit to cover in recent days, the NASA story has not made the cut.

Originally Posted by cologal

Richie....

I am really confused these tax cuts were enacted to encourage growth and create jobs. We should be able to agree, given the current situation they failed to do what they were supposed to do. What purpose do they have now? Let's forget about the last 8 years...lets just talk about the last year have these tax cuts helped to encourage growth or create jobs? I think not.

Your point is nonsense. The fact is that job creation has plummeted on Obama's watch. Bush had the aftermath of 9/11 and the prosecution of the War on Terror and still the economy moved along with the help of the Tax Cuts with unemployment steady around 4%. Steady, meaning jobs were created because the work force is constantly expanding.
When the banks busted, due to their abandonment of of tested lending principles demanded under duress by the Democratic Banking Committee in Bush's last year, he succumbed to trying what his enemies were demanding with the TARP.
With the election of this anti-capitalist President our economy has plummeted with few businesses in their right mind expanding while our country is dismantled. The deficit has TRIPLED in 18 months under this increasingly Socialist Regime and the re-organization of our way of life in under way.
Business is pulling it's head into it's shell until this war on them is over.
Please wake up.

Originally Posted by Pats2010

From a Nexis search a few moments ago:

Total words about the NASA Muslim outreach program in the New York Times: 0.

Total words about the NASA Muslim outreach program in the Washington Post: 0.

Total words about the NASA Muslim outreach program on NBC Nightly News: 0.

Total words about the NASA Muslim outreach program on ABC World News: 0.

Total words about the NASA Muslim outreach program on CBS Evening News: 0.

If you were to receive your news from any one of these outlets, or even all of them together, and you heard about some sort of controversy involving the Obama administration redefining the space agency’s mission to feature outreach to Muslim countries, your response would be, “Huh?” Among all the news these distinguished outlets have seen fit to cover in recent days, the NASA story has not made the cut.

But who cares.....its not an outreach to Muslim terrorists that would be news. I saw the story somewhere, and I don't normally watch Fox, so the Director said he was trying to raise awareness of the role of Muslims in Space Exploration. What heck is wrong with that? I think its silly but it NOT something to get my short in a twist about. Which is exactly what Fox is all about.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Your point is nonsense. The fact is that job creation has plummeted on Obama's watch. Bush had the aftermath of 9/11 and the prosecution of the War on Terror and still the economy moved along with the help of the Tax Cuts with unemployment steady around 4%. Steady, meaning jobs were created because the work force is constantly expanding.
When the banks busted, due to their abandonment of of tested lending principles demanded under duress by the Democratic Banking Committee in Bush's last year, he succumbed to trying what his enemies were demanding with the TARP.
With the election of this anti-capitalist President our economy has plummeted with few businesses in their right mind expanding while our country is dismantled. The deficit has TRIPLED in 18 months under this increasingly Socialist Regime and the re-organization of our way of life in under way.
Business is pulling it's head into it's shell until this war on them is over.
Please wake up.

Now you are being silly....Barney did it. Right.

Originally Posted by cologal

Richie....

I am really confused these tax cuts were enacted to encourage growth and create jobs. We should be able to agree, given the current situation they failed to do what they were supposed to do. What purpose do they have now? Let's forget about the last 8 years...lets just talk about the last year have these tax cuts helped to encourage growth or create jobs? I think not.

Originally Posted by bkcunningham1

You can't have tax cuts and outrageous spending and expect the tax cuts to work. You must be fiscally responsible which means cut taxes and curb spending together. The government can't continue to spend the money generated by the tax cuts (and more) and expect things to pick up.

BK, wish I could make a point in so few words.
CG; A good business plan makes plans for the future. When the tax cuts were put in place, businesses could plan on lower costs and expand, creating jobs for themselves and others, who supplied them. This DID happen. When major elections take place, a wait and see attitude prevails and they may put their plans on hold until things shake out. In the last 1 1/2 years, businesses have had to revise plans to take into account massive increases to the cost of doing business. Expansion, except where absolutely necessary, is the first to go. Next you cut costs by trimming fat and convenience. If none of that works, you go out of business. I believe one of the reasons the number of jobs lost may be declining is that we're running out of jobs we can lose.