I sure dont want to get into a war of words with you !!! I began my response to you with the following words...."Your points are well taken and I understand your feelings." Anything that came after that was a result, IN MY OPINION of your sensitivites, not mine but I surely can apologize for anything you perceived as personal, but my post was not even remotely about YOU and my first sentence was to let you know that whatver I disagree with I do with respect, but you obviously did not see it that way !

I, and SIXTY MILLION OTHER AMERICANS, did not feel that President Obama was the answer for this country in November.

I opposed his nomination and his election openly from the very beginnning on this board. As a result of that, I was called on here and in PM's a racist (NOT even close), a neo con (NOT in the same world) and a Bushie or other remarks to denote the same thing (WAY WAY WAY out of my world), and I am not going to apologize for my opinion and feeling.

There are those on here who during the primary called him names (empty suit, etc) and now feel he is the best thing in the world.

If being close minded is the new racist, neo con, Bushie or whatever that means I must agree with everything he does or I am one of the above...sorry !

Thus far he has done nothing to change my mind in anyway about how I feel and I will add that during the campaign I said on a number of occassions that his election with this specific congress made it even worse and I still feel that way.

I sure wish that those who are on this board espousing holier than thou comments about bi partisanship and reaching across the aisle could have been saying this during the last 12 years or so, but it only seems the "thing to do" now.

"President Obama is looking ahead, far reaching. There are some on this board that are so myopic they cannot possibly find anything supportive to say about him. As I said on another board, you should be praying, PRAYING, that your President succeeds."
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Here is my problem......If you have any criticisms of this adminstration already you hear how you are looking for problems, or you should be praying and praying and you should say nothing but good things about him.

I can find much to support about him but am I disqualified now to criticize him or I am (Fill in the adjective from A to Z) ?

I have never in my life bowed down to an administration and held back on criticizing them if I disagreed, but it seems that is what is being asked and frankly that simply validates my fears about this entire election.

Ditto. It is not unAmerican to criticize an administration, as most of those who criticized the previous administration always stated (and correctly so).

The beauty of this democratic republic is that one voice can speak freely in criticism, even if the entire population's voices sound in disagreement. The ability for lawful vigilance by that one is what protects the entire population from the government becoming "Of Itself" instead of "Of the People."

Here's more food for thought and basically what I've been saying all along. The scam he and his minions are pulling of is disgraceful and disgusting not to mention scary as hell.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123457303244386495.html

Pray that Obama succeeds?

If Oboma succeeds we'll be a european style socialist state with everyone depending on the government for their survival not to mention the bottomless pit of debt he is putting us in. I pray that he doesn't succeed and I pray he is sent packing in four years before he has a chance to finish off what's left of our founding fathers design for this country.

Stop your whining!
 

8 years of Bush got us into this mess. How about cutting off those wasted billions of $$ in Iraq not to mention the 4000+ lives, and just where are those nukes hiding and "the oil money will pay for this", "welcomed with flowers", etc., etc. You're taxes will be paying for the Iraq fiasco for the "next 100 years" to quote John McBush. Obviously, Bush/Cheney/Bill O'Reilly and the other flag huggers didn't learn any thing from the waste of lives and $$ in Viet Nam! Oops, sorry they were too busy letting others be "patriotic"!

You assume I'm a fan of GW? So let's say everything you say is true. Will piling on another couple trillion dollars of debt, government pork spending and socializing our private sector infrastructure help small business create more jobs? Hum...

Maybe if Obama really pours on the coal next week and tells everyone the great depression #2 is actually here maybe that will spur business to hire more people.

Sounds like a great plan to me. :a040:

Just keep printing that money and giving it to congress and everything will be alright.

Read it!
 

I think this was overlooked before, but I absolutely agree! If all the Republican Congressmen and Senators are so against this package they should NOT TAKE THE MONEY! Just simply refuse it. Go back to your constituents and explain it to them as you dodge tomatoes.

Let them sit on their high horses and look the man in the eye that can't feed his family. Let them tell the seniors that lost everything how we should just sit back and do nothing. Let them tell the couple with the sick or dying child, sorry, so sorry, but our ideology is so much more important.

HEY REPUBLICANS! JUST DON'T TAKE THE MONEY! DO NOTHING! PUT YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND AND DO NOTHING! YOU'RE VERY, VERY GOOD AT THAT!

But... somehow I don't think that's going to happen. They'll be the first in line with their grubby little paws out in hopes of getting re-elected. Mark my words. :ohdear:

This is a very sad statement. Shame on you. :ohdear:

It really defies all logic to me that the only eyes wide open in this country are those opposing the present administration. To infer that every person that supports our currently president is simply being scammed, that there are no cognisent people except those in opposition, is a blanket condemnation of a such a large cross section of our country that it loses credibility. There are great minds and intellects an both sides of the isle and to condemn such a large part of our population as basically lacking intelligence is not only illogical, it is completly unrealistic. Disagreement does confer gullibility.
And again, let's at least remember all of those that contributed to the start of this "socialism" that was placed before Obama.
I didn't "pray" Bush failed though many of his policies were deplorable and damaging...he was our leader and made his choices..that time/era is done now.

Since when has it been the governments job to give cradle to grave care to all who think they deserve it?

There’s this thing called the Constitution but let’s not let that get in the way. Where's the Constitutional power the government has to transfer money from one person to another or take over large segmanets of the private sector? That's exactly what Obama means to do in a big way.

How about the folks who are about to lose their homes. Some of our tax dollars in the form of stimulus is going to pay down their principle so they can keep their homes. A part of that will be coming out of my paycheck. Well hells bells, I want my principle paid down to. Where’s my cut?

Chelsea24, Here’s a direct question to you. Given the government only operates on taxes it collects from us, how much of what I earn belongs to you and why? How much of my paycheck each week should go to you… or anyone?

And you are absolutely correct. Anyone who takes us down the socialist government controlled road should be run out of town on a rail and I don't care who they are or what party they belong to Bush included.

It feels real good to get on a soap box and cry the blues for all the poor and downtrodden and how the government should do something… anything at any expense. It’s nothing but liberal pap. The outcome or consequences never really matter as long as it makes you feel good saying it. But let's all wish Mr. Obama nice nice because that makes us feel good and above the rest.

You think hammering republicans will get a rise out of people? Some of you seem to think that if you’re anti-Obama you’re automatically pro republican or pro Bush. Think again my friends.

And yes, A good portion of the American people have been scammed by a slick talking radical who cares little about the recovery and more about power and control. Do you honestly believe these trillions of government pork spending will help the economy? Wait a few years and we'll talk again.

You can turn your heads away and ignore the Constitution and every single principle our country was founded on but I never will.

Some of you may think I’m cruel. Well here’s a real zinger for you. Anyone who supports this ridiculous, irresponsible pork barrel, government takeover stimulus package is dropping this right on the backs of our children and grand children. Now that’s what I consider cruel. Shame on me?

If anyone has a desire to learn more about this political position I again recommend Ron Paul's book, Revolution.

BTW, at 9am today the Dow futures are down almost 200 points. The financial investment community has not responded in a positive way to the stimulus plan. Why?

most certainly agree
 

You could not have said it better. :agree::agree:

There's more people who agree with you than may say so out loud.

I want Pres. Obama to succeed, but for me "success" is to not commit high crimes and misdemeanors which lead to impeachment.

Regarding earlier posts in this string concerning Iraq and Vietnam, let me make myself perfectly clear:

- - - had not the Clinton administration, in its quest to cut budgets involved in American defense, slashed away the US intelligence effort which took generations to develop, there's a good chance that there may never have been a 9/11, as the bad guys would have been neutralized on the other side of the Atlantic - as we used to be able to do. For the Clintonites who want to ignore what their hero did to the US military and the intelligence community, you can "ostrich" on this all you want, or cry "foul" if you so choose. That doesn't change what occurred in the Clinton administration, whatever the reasons for doing so and whether the risk seemed worthwhile or not.

- - - the US actions in Iraq and Afghanistan have made it clear that if the international bullies want to swipe at the US, their world will get lit up big-time. Those brave men and women who serve and sacrifice in the "sandbox" are buying us time to rebuild our former capacity to keep the bad guys off our turf. We've made a lot of progress in that regard thanks to them, but that's the cost for previously reduced vigilance in exchange for more entitlement programs.

- - - As a Vietnam Vet I've heard too many times how we "lost the war" there, mainly from folk who have no idea what were the circumstances for the American involvement and what could be achieved in that environment. You can have any opinion you want - mine is at http://www.geocities.com/matlock.cvma/why-vietnam.htm

I'm reminding myself that the existing (and shrinking) pool of US taxpayers just found that each and every taxpayer is now tagged with another $9,000 more in future taxes due, plus interest, just to pay for this stimulus package. Some of us will pay our share and then some - some will pay little towards this levy. If you are filing "joint," then double the levy. So, what do you think you'll actually get for your $9000 (or $18,000 if filing jointly)? Or are you part of the herd which rides the coattails of others?

If anyone watched CNBC today around 4 pm.... ouch! The pundits described the bailout as the WORST thing that Washington could have done. They said the economy is (are you ready)--- PERMANENTLY,yes, PERMANENTLY damaged by this legislation.... gee, no wonder the DOW was down 4% (300 more points). Is CNBC an NBC news affialiate???? You know NBC, the prowd sponser of MSNBC and Keith "obsessed with Bill O" Oberman. Another barf by The Street

Yes. I hear now on the news that they may be coming back for yet another spending package on top of the one today. My God, when are people going to wake up to what's going on here.