No secret where I stand on this, but as I read the posts and recall the campaign I remember a quote from Saul Alinsky.....Alinsky the man who has been mentioned a few times on here and sort of mocked...the author of the bible for radicals, studied and supported strongly by our new President. A book by the way, dedicated to Satan !

The quote...

"A reformation means that masses of our people have reached the point of disillusionment with past ways and values. They don't know what will work but they do know that the prevailing system is self-defeating, frustrating, and hopeless. They won't act for change but won't strongly oppose those who do. The time is then ripe for revolution. "


Sort of November, 2008

:thumbup: I agree! Thank God someone on the forum has a grain of common sense. I was beginning to get worried.

Obama ordered 17,000 Marines to Afghanastan today... Where is the angst about this decision???

There are many RVN Vets reading this forum who do NOT take kindly to their fallen brothers and sisters being called a waste. Think seriously about your statement.

Huh???
 

I'm confused. What is your problem with this. This is where we should have been before Bush decided to fight Daddy's war. Iraq depleted us, ruined our reputation in the world and cost thousands of lives. And you're against Afganastan??? Do you remember 9/11? chilout

That is not what the statement said. When politicians are allowed to launch wars for ill-defined reasons, with vague exit strategies and ever-shifting criteria for success, you have a formula for tragedy. Every American life lost in Iraq is a waste of life. This does not dishonor or disparage the soldiers. He did not say the soldiers were a waste - he said that the death of the fallen soldiers was a waste of life. This means that he considers the lives of these soldiers to be extremely valuable and should not have been wasted on a war that should have never happened.

Did you see the other day when millions of free Iraqies dipped their finger in the ink well? I don't think any of them would consider the lives given for their freedom a waste nor do the loved one's of the people who willingly gave their lives for it.

Did you not see all the many stories about soldiers who even when they could have gone home reenlisted so they could stay and finish what they believed in?

Freedom and liberty is not a word Obama or most liberals fully understand especially when they seek to remove as much of it as possible from us all in the name of change... any change even if it's bad.

But none of it really matters. You all just keep dragging Bush through the mud for the next 20 years while right under your nose Obama is looting the store.

Sadly, the store had already been looted when President Obama took office.

You may be right in some ways but I can't for the life of me figure out why you all keep going back to Bush over and over and over and then you turn around and give Obama a free pass when he's doing the exact same thing times 10.

News flash! Bush is not President any more.

Let me get this straight
 

A simple observation is that the US got into the current problems because people were borrowing above their ability to pay. What does the Government do? They borrow more money..!! Is this nuts or what??
When you borrow money and it is hard to pay back you cut expenses and spending..If you continue to borrow beyond your means it is safe to guess that things will get worse. This is not "rocket science" economics..

Don't be afraid, his plan is working.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090218/...re/wall_street

You are correct REH, but then that would not be good pollitics, would it ?

This President, IN ONE MONTH, had promised OPENNESS, but this stimulus bill was drafted behind CLOSED DOORS, and believe it or not lobbyists got copies before the lawmakers. And I suppose it was NOT politics that all Democrats voted for a bill they DID NOT EVEN READ. Look for the TV ads sponsored by Americans United for Change (a liberal group started for one purpose at the time...to stop Bush from any changes in SS programs) and the American Federation of State, County and Federal Employees to hit your television telling you how wonderful this stimulus bill is...wonder if THEY read it ?

They continue to try and wrest control over the decennial census to the WH....why ? Because if illegal aliens are counted several house seats would shift from Republican to Democrat. When this was brought out by the withdrawl of Mr Gregg, the WH said the resignation was part of the war against this administration, but they are using politics.

The setting of rules for ex lobbyists made headlines, but we forget they made a number of "exceptions" to this rule. Not political.

What happened to the promise of 5 days between passing a bill and signing it so that Americans could read it ? Well, it is not happening at all.

Just read today that after listening to President Obama and his supporters on this board and across the board, lambast the past administration for detaining terror suspects without charges that the nominees of President Obama support that and are for not changing that. What was all the rehtoric and thumping of chests about during the campaign ? Wonder if anyone will apologize for saying what they said if they continue down the same road ?

There is much more and all of it HAPPENED IN ONE MONTH !

People who supported President Obama said he would get away from the old political ways....seems he has perfected the old ways. People who suppported him said he would be more transparent....seems there is more behind closed doors and "ramming" than ever before.

This is TRUELY the most political machine oriented team I have ever seen in the WH in my lifetime, at least thus far. If only those blinded by the oratory would admit to that and allow themselves to see beyond all the symbolism that this President uses to sell.

A quote from Ron Paul...on the stimulus bill....

""We got into our mess by spending too much money, running up too much debt and printing too much money, and that's exactly what we're doing. We're printing money and running up debt,"

Three Big Fears Have Market on Edge

Housing Fix. Obama seems determined to help people who bought houses they can't afford and shaft everyone else--including homeowners who can still make their payments and renters who decided not to buy houses because they were too expensive. It will be interesting to see how effective this plan is and how it sits with the majority of the country--who won't get bailed out.

http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker...%5Edji,%5Egspc


Are you Obama supporters getting any of this? Do you see what's happening here? People aren't afraid of the bad economy, they are afraid of him.

News flash! Bush was the major cause of it! And much, much more. No one is giving President Obama a free pass. They are giving him more than 3 weeks to try to cure a very diseased economy that was laid at his feet.