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“If we lose the House, he could get impeached. Do you think he understands that?” one top Republican donor reportedly recalled a G.O.P. senator wondering aloud. “Won’t it be ironic that Steve Bannon helped get the president elected and impeached?” another Republican official said, according to CNN.

The closing of the eyes to what this person is doing to our country is bizarre.

If any other President did what he has done, or said what he said, there would be marching in the street.

I realize, although I keep being told "I have to understand" all the election stuff, including who he ran against, the mood of the country, etc, but he just is in a fantasy land.

My anger was visible today when he said no other President called grieving families when a family member was killed. Explain how one person could be so mean spirited and insensitive.

Originally Posted by Guest

The closing of the eyes to what this person is doing to our country is bizarre.

If any other President did what he has done, or said what he said, there would be marching in the street.

I realize, although I keep being told "I have to understand" all the election stuff, including who he ran against, the mood of the country, etc, but he just is in a fantasy land.

My anger was visible today when he said no other President called grieving families when a family member was killed.

Explain how one person could be so mean spirited and insensitive.

I believe the even bigger issue here, is what he said in defense of his outright lie about Obama...and other POTUS'.

The person who screams about "fake news" every time his own words and actions are used against him, has the frigging audacity to idiotically blurt out... "well, that's what I've been told."

So maybe some of you Trump Cultists can explain to the crowd, how the person who constantly lies and never offers any proof of even his most outrageous lies...is given a break by you because...'someone told him?'


I'll wait for an explanation.

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Even though most Americans do NOT want Obamacare repealed (though they do want it fixed).

Most Americans do NOT want major tax cuts for the rich, while the middle class is thrown a bone and the deficit soars.

Most Americans who know anything at all about the Iran deal have been very pleased with their low prices for gas...the Iran deal was all about oil. The Koch brothers were very displeased with the competition for their Canadian XL oil and spent millions trying to trash the deal.

And the EPA? I invite you to look at the swampland the Gulf has become. Losing Ground: Southeast Louisiana Is Disappearing, Quickly - Scientific American

MOST Americans must be idiots. HOW do you give 50 million people "free" healthcare equal to about $1,000 a month? That's $50,000,000,000 a month...$600,000,000,000 a year. Over half a trillion...that'll have to be borrowed.

The deficit soars already...it'll be over $2 trillion this fiscal year with the hurricanes and fires.

Louisiana is "sinking" because the land in the delta isn't replenished with Mississippi river mud that is channeled away.

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A few quotes from a Bloomberg article speaking of approval numbers...

"To get this unpopular, this fast, and to do it in an era of relatively good times, is just breathtaking. "

"I've seen people claim he's winning his fight against the NFL, for example, but the numbers certainly don't suggest that's the case.

"And yes, I think as a whole Trump's unpopularity has been massively underplayed in the media throughout his administration so far.

Trump's Numbers Are Really, Really Bad - Bloomberg

Hmmm...maybe Trump really IS a "rogue" and the "system" and it's members are turning on him to get rid of HIM before he gets rid of THEM.

As the president was about to host a joint press conference with Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday afternoon, he suddenly declared himself free of all blame regarding a number of critical legislative issues, from the failure to overturn Obamacare (the Affordable Care Act) to the fact his fledgling tax reform plan could lack the support it needs to pass through Congress.

Despite his promise to “Make America Great Again,” Trump has delivered practically nothing except chaos, bombast, and division. As long as he occupies the Presidency, an office for which he is blatantly unsuited, he will continue to chip away at the country’s foundations. Right now, only his Cabinet colleagues and the Republicans on Capitol Hill have the power to bring this great ordeal to an end. There is little sign of them summoning the necessary will and courage to act.

And I’m very proud of Trump for recognizing the greatness of his Cabinet. But he is being modest. This isn’t just “one of the finest” Cabinets. There has never been a Cabinet like this before — and there probably will ever be one like it in the future.

Sure, George Washington sat around the Cabinet table with John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Henry Knox and Edmund Randolph. Abraham Lincoln won the Civil War with William Seward, Salmon Chase and Edwin Stanton. Franklin Roosevelt beat the Depression and the Nazis with Henry Morgenthau, Harold Ickes and Henry Stimson.

But Washington didn’t have a professional-wrestling executive in his Cabinet, nor an education secretary foresighted enough to warn the country about the danger posed to schools by bears. He didn’t even have an education secretary!

Abbreviated pundit roundup: The president blames everyone but himself for his failures

Interesting how Trump made this into an issue this morning by saying he asked Kelly if OBama had called him when his son was killed. Trump says Kelly said no.

Thus Trump made this an issue and brought it up. Pretty damn classless.

As it turns out......from the AP


White House visitor logs show Obama hosted John Kelly at breakfast for Gold Star families after Kelly's son died:

To continue this and use Kelly's son on his own behalf.....

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White House visitor records from former President Barack Obama's term show that he hosted current White House chief of staff John Kelly at a breakfast for Gold Star families after his son died in Afghanistan.

In a Fox News Radio interview, President Donald Trump defended his claim that his predecessors fell short in honoring those killed in action by saying: "You could ask Gen. Kelly, did he get a call from Obama?"

Former aides to Obama say it's difficult this many years later to determine whether Obama called Kelly and when.

The breakfast for relatives of U.S. troops killed in action occurred in May 2011, six months after Kelly's son died. An individual familiar with the breakfast for families of says that Kelly and his wife sat at former first lady Michelle Obama's table. The individual demanded anonymity because the event was private.

The Latest: Obama hosted Kelly at breakfast after son died - ABC News

"It bothers me that a president of the United States, instead of accepting responsibility for what he does and what his administration does, constantly looks for other scapegoats, whether it's Congress, whether it's past presidents, whether it's somebody else," said Leon Panetta, who served as defense secretary under Obama. "He is never responsible for anything that goes wrong. And the reality is the American people understand that presidents make mistakes."

Dormant, for now, is the long-running custom of informal consultation between the occupant of the White House and its previous inhabitants. Trump hasn't contacted Jimmy Carter, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush or Obama to discuss the myriad world crises he faces, despite their experience in comparable circumstances.

The chasm between Trump and his predecessors is another data point in an untraditional presidency, one that has discarded many of the unwritten rules and customs that used to dictate how presidents behave.

A Mellinhead and Rockface thread...going to be a lot of ambiguity and a lot of bold fonted quotes...yawn!

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Like 2 lesbians high fiven each other around an all you can eat seafood buffet...

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Watching and listening to our President make an issue of calls or visits to fallen heroes, what comes to mind is a statement made to Sen Joe McCarthy, another alt right conservativevduring a hearing...



"Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness"

U.S. Senate: "Have You No Sense of Decency?"

Body of Miami Gardens soldier killed in ***** returns home | Miami Herald

Thank you President Bush....

"Former President George W. Bush offered an unmistakable denunciation of Trumpism Thursday without mentioning the president by name, urging citizens to oppose threats to American democracy.

“Bigotry seems emboldened. Our politics seems more vulnerable to conspiracy theories and outright fabrication,” Bush warned in remarks at the Bush Institute’s Spirit of Liberty event in New York.

By chance, Bush was standing in the same spot at the Time Warner Center where former President Barack Obama made a similar plea for democracy and American leadership in late September, shortly after President Donald Trump had finished a belligerent, isolationist speech to the United Nations General Assembly.

"Bigotry in any form is blasphemy against the American creed and it means the very identity of our nation depends on the passing of civic ideals to the next generation. We need a renewed emphasis on civic learning in schools," Bush said. "And our young people need positive role models. Bullying and prejudice in our public life sets a national tone, provides permission for cruelty and bigotry, and compromises the moral education of children."

"The only way to pass along civic values is to first live up to them," he said.

When we lose sight of our ideals, it is not democracy that has failed. It is the failure of those charged with protecting and defending democracy," he said, adding later: "We need to recall and recover our own identity. Americans have great advantage. To renew our country, we only need to remember our values."

George W. slams Trumpism, without mentioning president by name - POLITICO

"And our young people need positive role models. Bullying and prejudice in our public life sets a national tone, provides permission for cruelty and bigotry, and compromises the moral education of children."

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Even though most Americans do NOT want Obamacare repealed (though they do want it fixed).

Most Americans do NOT want major tax cuts for the rich, while the middle class is thrown a bone and the deficit soars.

Most Americans who know anything at all about the Iran deal have been very pleased with their low prices for gas...the Iran deal was all about oil. The Koch brothers were very displeased with the competition for their Canadian XL oil and spent millions trying to trash the deal.

And the EPA? I invite you to look at the swampland the Gulf has become. Losing Ground: Southeast Louisiana Is Disappearing, Quickly - Scientific American

Obamacare was written by insurance lobbyists. Remember the famous stupid comment made by leading democrat overseer. "We have to pass it to see what's in it" one of the most stupidest statements ever made by politicians.

EPA had 45 years to make difference? So what are you saying they made no difference?

Democrats only know how to spend and raise taxes.

IMO any president the don't balance budget or reduce it is worthless POS like majority of career politicians.

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"And our young people need positive role models. Bullying and prejudice in our public life sets a national tone, provides permission for cruelty and bigotry, and compromises the moral education of children."

They're not seeing positive role models in the minority community...they see them getting away with everything.

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Obamacare was written by insurance lobbyists. Remember the famous stupid comment made by leading democrat overseer. "We have to pass it to see what's in it" one of the most stupidest statements ever made by politicians.

EPA had 45 years to make difference? So what are you saying they made no difference?

Democrats only know how to spend and raise taxes.

IMO any president the don't balance budget or reduce it is worthless POS like majority of career politicians.

One of the most honest!