Originally Posted by Guest

There you go again, changing the subject. I just want a simple answer to the question; why do you NOT want a full and transparent investigation? I didn't say for sure Trump was involved. That's why we need an investigation. Seems like you should want to know as well unless............ you are afraid Trump was involved. Even if that's the case, I'm sure you and Trump will use the lame stream media excuse or democratic politics excuse. Don't worry, either way you'll have it covered.

There will be full and transparent investigations by congress starting this Thursday when Sen McCain holds the first hearing in the Armed Services Committee that he chairs, to be followed by at least four other committee hearings in the senate and several in the house.

No one should trust Donald Trump to conduct a hearing further than a crane could throw him.

He's always announcing something on Tues which never materializes. Reminds me of my sister's ex-husband who was always going to start a new job on Tuesday. Never happened. There's something about Tuesdays.

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Does this love affair concern you????

Are you saying it is easier to try and reconcile differences if both parties hate each other?

You should reserve your question for 2018.

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Does this love affair concern you????

birds of a feather.......

Originally Posted by Guest

Wow given the animosity toward Trump coming from Obama and his band of merry men and women. and given the lame street media's penchant for fake news, hyperbole, misinformation, bias its difficult to ferret out anything from Washington and news.

It has been after a long attempt to deny the election results that Donald Trump did fairly win this election.

It also has been established that the CIA, FBI AND DOJ have lost all credibility these last few years.

It also has been established that Russia has been acting up for the entire 8 years of Obama presidency.

Now we find that Obama with his usual lead from behind philosophy decides at this particular juncture that something needs to be done with Russia.

So what does he do kicks Russian diplomats out the door( aka as the wet noodle treatment).

Isn't it interesting that following the failed attempts at blaming Russia for Hillary's loss Obama decides that Russia was responsible and sanctions are in order.

Of course all this lat minute power playing by Obama has nothing to do with frustrating and overwhelming the incoming Administration with several distraction hoping to postpone dealing with Obamacare and other Obama policies. As i said in a previous thread Obama is staying Washington to guard his legacy and needs to be close at hand with in person and daily contact with allies.

No we come to Trump. There are a number of rules to follow when negotiating and one is never to let the other side lose face until or unless it gains you advantage. Another rule, like poker guard against "tells". Another always leave lines of communication open. Just because Trump is playing nice doesn't mean anything. But Trumps detractors are very emotional and reactionary people

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and what does Putin okey dokey I'll just stay put

A perfect example of a repub who would vote for hitler if he were running on the repub ticket, to hell with America.

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A perfect example of a repub who would vote for hitler if he were running on the repub ticket, to hell with America.

Yep...you nailed it!

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1. I have heard not one person suggest an investigation prior to Trump taking office, thus not sure I understand your first comment.

Keep in mind that the only reason that this is such a public discussion at present is because of Trump daily saying he does not believe the election was hacked.

2. Despite your defense offered that Trump did nothing, I never heard any one say he did, so not sure what that defense is all about.

I assure you of two things.....

First.....you imply that only progressive want an investigation, and again after Jan 20.... I suggest that all Americans regardless of party or any affiliation would want an investigation, and especially since the only objector is our new President.

Secondly....whatever Trump was alluding to with his childish comment about "knowing things nobody else knows" you can rest assured that anything he is alluding to is for HIS benefit. Of that I am sure.

Most President elects would have supported our county's intelligence community publicly to make a stand, and then kept quiet. Making this a public twitter generated war of words is self serving, unnecessary, and has only a motive known to Trump..

Amazing how Trump interjects Trump into everything, and finds it challenging to support our country' s various agencies.

Dear Guest:

As to my first comment progressive pundits keep implying that Trump wants to run the country now. hence their comment that we have one president at a time. so Trump gives them what they want and they make outrageous claims as to why Trump is not doing more.

As a red blooded American you bet I want an investigation of any potential transgression made by Russia. The problem I been having with the Obama Administration is that he has had the head of his agencies running involved in partisan politics rather than " doing the people's business" It is necessary to recite the failings of the IRS, DOJ< CIA and FBI. Their actions and not my words created their lack of credibility

You say suggest that we are having this public discussion because Trump keep saying he doesn't believe we were hacked. I suspect it is because when he claimed the election was rigged he was beat over the head on a continuum by the media. So Trump being Trump serves his opponents in kind

As to Trump himself the accusation leveled against him are not only false but some progressives have gone disgustingly low .

finally the real reason we are having this public discussion is because progressives can't let go of the fact that they lost this election and on all fronts.

Please give it a rest.

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A perfect example of a repub who would vote for hitler if he were running on the repub ticket, to hell with America.

This coming from a progressive that voted not once but twice for a radical socialist, anti-Semite who has shown such a disdain for England and America's colonial past that his first official act as president was to return Winston Churchill's bust to England, followed by an international apology tour shortly after taking office

A president that was criticized for referring to our nation as having 57 states . Yet these same people missed the fact that 57 is the exact number of the Arab League.

Critics pounce on the fact that Trump won't release his taxes. Yet "the records" of both Obama's have been sealed for eight years

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Originally Posted by RubiTheCon

This coming from a progressive that voted not once but twice for a radical socialist, anti-Semite who has shown such a disdain for England and America's colonial past that his first official act as president was to return Winston Churchill's bust to England, followed by an international apology tour shortly after taking office

This is exactly why the more intelligent people here...don't believe a single thing you spew.

You'll spout anything off of the top of your head and expect everyone else to just believe you.


Fact-check: did Obama really remove a Churchill bust from the Oval Office? | US news | The Guardian

The bust in question, by British sculptor Jacob Epstein, was given to President George W Bush by the British government in 2001 and was placed in the Oval Office.

But the statue was not donated, it was simply on loan for Bush’s term in office (a loan which the British government decided to extend when Bush was re-elected in 2004). Churchill disappeared from the White House in 2009, when the loan ended at the same time that Obama moved in.

Boris Johnson is wrong to claim that the vanishing Churchill bust symbolizes Obama’s antipathy towards Britain – it was never Obama’s statue to give away.

.....the fact that there are two Churchill busts – the one on loan to Bush from 2001 to 2009, and a second bust which the White House has had since the 1960s and still has to this day....

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Critics pounce on the fact that Trump won't release his taxes. Yet "the records" of both Obama's have been sealed for eight years

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What "records" did Obama seal?

And no, I won't take your word for it.

Show the proof (a link from a legitimate news source and not your usual, plagiarized fake news cut/past job)...you lying, pseudo-intellectual fraud.

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Dear Guest:

As to my first comment progressive pundits keep implying that Trump wants to run the country now. hence their comment that we have one president at a time. so Trump gives them what they want and they make outrageous claims as to why Trump is not doing more.

As a red blooded American you bet I want an investigation of any potential transgression made by Russia. The problem I been having with the Obama Administration is that he has had the head of his agencies running involved in partisan politics rather than " doing the people's business" It is necessary to recite the failings of the IRS, DOJ< CIA and FBI. Their actions and not my words created their lack of credibility

You say suggest that we are having this public discussion because Trump keep saying he doesn't believe we were hacked. I suspect it is because when he claimed the election was rigged he was beat over the head on a continuum by the media. So Trump being Trump serves his opponents in kind

As to Trump himself the accusation leveled against him are not only false but some progressives have gone disgustingly low .

finally the real reason we are having this public discussion is because progressives can't let go of the fact that they lost this election and on all fronts.

Please give it a rest.

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You have completely lost your mind.

Accusing a sitting president of using agencies for politics is serious. It has, for the most part already been investigated.

I really and honestly think that your thinking is damaged.

A compulsive liar his entire life gets your support. A man who, in the middle of a campaign, on a daily basis made unfounded and proven lies against American institutions and people....This is the kind of person you stand up beside and defend.

You have totally crossed the Rubicon, and lost touch with reality.

I sit and wonder why all your posts are the same..Trump is a good guy....Obama lies, Trump is honest....anytime Trump is criticized it is because Clinton lost, and finally...pick whatever American institution or agency and those who work there are just incompetent.

Sorry...but, you are gone

Originally Posted by Guest

This is exactly why the more intelligent people here...don't believe a single thing you spew.

You'll spout anything off of the top of your head and expect everyone else to just believe you.


[url=https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/22/barack-obama-winston-churchill-bust-oval-office-britain]Fact-check: did Obama really remove a Churchill bust from the Oval Office? | US news | The Guardian[/url

What "records" did Obama seal?

And no, I won't take your word for it.

Show the proof (a link from a legitimate news source and not your usual, plagiarized fake news cut/past job)...you lying, pseudo-intellectual fraud.

okey dokey

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[QUOTE=Guest]You have completely lost your mind.

Accusing a sitting president of using agencies for politics is serious. It has, for the most part already been investigated.

I really and honestly think that your thinking is damaged.

A compulsive liar his entire life gets your support. A man who, in the middle of a campaign, on a daily basis made unfounded and proven lies against American institutions and people....This is the kind of person you stand up beside and defend.

You have totally crossed the Rubicon, and lost touch with reality.

I sit and wonder why all your posts are the same..Trump is a good guy....Obama lies, Trump is honest....anytime Trump is criticized it is because Clinton lost, and finally...pick whatever American institution or agency and those who work there are just incompetent.

Sorry...but, you are gone[/QUOTE

So you believe there is no connection between Obama and the IRS
targeting of conservative groups seek non profit status? So you believe there was no connection between Obama and the DOJ visiting with Clinton on an out of the way tarmac.... so you believe there was no connection Obama and Comey's decision not to pursue Hillary nor DOJ to investigate for possible indictment. if there is no connection then Obama is seriously remiss as the commander and chief. if these agencies acted independently and Obama did not pursue these wrongs then he is in dereliction of duty. By remaining silent Obama communicates acceptance of this criminal behavior

Its important to be able to read between the lines make important connection seeing the forest for the trees. You must miss a lot in your life.

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Originally Posted by Guest

This coming from a progressive that voted not once but twice for a radical socialist, anti-Semite who has shown such a disdain for England and America's colonial past that his first official act as president was to return Winston Churchill's bust to England, followed by an international apology tour shortly after taking office

A president that was criticized for referring to our nation as having 57 states . Yet these same people missed the fact that 57 is the exact number of the Arab League.

Critics pounce on the fact that Trump won't release his taxes. Yet "the records" of both Obama's have been sealed for eight years

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All you do is make accusations against groups of people...NEVER with accredition.

The Obama record seal thing was debunked years ago...where have you been. Thankfully, after Five years, your hero has dropped (sort of) the conspiracy theories on birth certificates.

Rubicon, seriously...you are actually and honestly terribky embarrassing. You have become the poster child for the extreme alt right conspiracy theorists. A real conservative believes in factual...factual discussion on issues, and intelligent discussion in issues.

You support a man who even you know is a compulsive and complete liar on everything. A man who has more skeletons in his closet than a haunted house. A man who has ZERO moral values, and his record of illicit, illegal behavior certainly manifests that. A man, who already, 3 weeks before being sworn in has turned his back on his followers. A man who has not made one single effort to bring this country together since the election. A man who defrauded millions from his so called foundation, and bold faced lied about it.

This is the values that YOU stand up for. It is this person you idolize, who you support, and agree with very word, including lies, that come out of his mouth. You have all this respect for a man, and my guess, when we find out what he has hidden, when we find out how he twists our constitution you will continue to do so.
He has manifested all of this just in the last two weeks (his foundation lies, his condemnation if American agencies and those who work hard for them, his embracing of an international thug and verbal agreement with this lecher if a person) and you come in here and make charges.

You cannot support this man and charge anyone with anything ever.

Your blind loyalty to such a morally bankrupt person, who has proven over his life to represent the worst of human behavior makes me think that those are the values you support. If this man has your blind devotion....to such a degree, you would bring to us debunked conspiracies about people he wants to destroy, and such distaste you express for American institutions, and accusations that no sane man would dare make with no accreditation then your moral compass, once respected, defended on here by Gracie, is totally and completely broken.

I say this because your posts make no sense, are illogical, and are definitely anti American. You should wrap yourself in the Breitbart logo, unfurl your National Enquirer, don a Trump wig, and simply March with pictures of Trump, Bannon, Putin, Flynn. At least it appears you do not have the stress of concern about the real world.

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Originally Posted by Guest

You have completely lost your mind.

Accusing a sitting president of using agencies for politics is serious. It has, for the most part already been investigated.

I really and honestly think that your thinking is damaged.

A compulsive liar his entire life gets your support. A man who, in the middle of a campaign, on a daily basis made unfounded and proven lies against American institutions and people....This is the kind of person you stand up beside and defend.

You have totally crossed the Rubicon, and lost touch with reality.

I sit and wonder why all your posts are the same..Trump is a good guy....Obama lies, Trump is honest....anytime Trump is criticized it is because Clinton lost, and finally...pick whatever American institution or agency and those who work there are just incompetent.

Sorry...but, you are gone[/QUOTE

So you believe there is no connection between Obama and the IRS
targeting of conservative groups seek non profit status? So you believe there was no connection between Obama and the DOJ visiting with Clinton on an out of the way tarmac.... so you believe there was no connection between Obama and Comey's decision not to pursue Hillary nor DOJ to investigate for possible indictment

Its important to be able to read between the lines make important connection seeing the forest for the trees. You must miss a lot in your life.

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All your charges are based in your forever theory that YOU and YOU alone are 100% right. I know almost all of it has been investigated, ad naseum, at taxpayer expense. I know you know they happened, but as usual, everyone is wrong and you are right.

And I miss very little, however I do not, nor ever could make the pompous claims that you post constantly, NEVER with any back up...simply your statements.

Reading between the lines can be dangerous....you can miss the actual lines.

Your preaching and smugness about you are always right, and us schmicks who post and give back up for our information. Your using fake news for backup, your plagiarism combined with such self righteous attitude has really grown old. Try to back up your constant accusations with facts just try it.

Never saw a poster who supposedly knew so much, who loved his words ringing in the "space" on the net and whose words seldom make any sense. You simply avoid Trump and his mouth by making ridiculous accusations. You do know that some of us actually read, and to your accusation about me, some of us actually belong to discussion groups that would never tolerate someone simply making things up as you do...my life is based on facts...I am not a judge. My comments about you are all public knowledge thanks to this forum.

You can continue to make things up, you can continue to preach, you can continue to avoid making any attempt to validate your many many accusations, but your feeling of superiority is tiresome, and even you must realize, you post nonsense, not facts.

And if I seem angry tonight, I am. Not because I think I am right and you and Trump are always wrong...it is because I welcome intelligent, fact based conversation, and you are doing your best to insure you stay as far away from facts and intelligence as you can, BUT continue to preach to anyone reading here. You make accusations against good American institutions and good people, and totally avoid facts, not mine, but any.

[QUOTE=Guest]okey dokey

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"Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post."

Obama's 'Sealed' Records - FactCheck.org

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okey dokey

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"This election year may well go down as the conspiracy-theory election, thanks to Donald Trump's ceaseless efforts to inject unsubstantiated plots into the American political debate."

Donald Trump's Conspiracy Theories About Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and JFK : NPR

By the way, these sites offer real back up, real quotes...annoying factual stuff about this person.