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Guest 06-03-2012 05:28 PM
Me and my ilk as you phrased it, resent the Republicans trying to swing the
upcoming vote by illigally using jim crow voting laws to keep the voters
from exercising their rights. These laws that were passed by a right wing
governor and his tea party cronies will be found to be unconstitutional. How
many voter fraud cases are there? May be a very few. There is nojustification
for these regulations.
aassande@comcast.net

Guest 06-03-2012 05:29 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 500927)
Gov Rick Scott wants to make sure that everybody follows the law except him. Just in the past year, the governor was told by the Florida Supreme Court that he "overstepped his constitutional authority" and "violated the separation of powers" when he decided no one could pass any new rules without his authority.

You would hope the Legislature would have known better than to discourage voter registration with unnecessary and unfair rules that were eventually struck down last week by a US district judge.

Privatizing prisons without actually enacting a law. You can't do that. Drug-testing state workers and welfare recipients? It's unconstitutional. The bottom line is no one gets to ignore the law. Scott likes to be ordained first and read the Constitution later.
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Posted by Guest (Post 500958)
What does one have to do with the other. You and your ilk seem to babble the Dem line no matter how ridiculous it makes you or them sound. All the Dems on this thread seem to be no more than a bunch of parrots. If there are people (dead or otherwise,) voting illegally, then why should it not be stopped and the perps prosecuted?

Someone, is out there neutralizing your vote, or, stealing the import of my vote. A LEGAL VOTE is an entitlement to me, and not for a criminal to dilute by fraud. Buried in the approval of illegals voting, seems to be the only way that the current POTUS can be reelected.

The attempt to avoid the issues by trying to cast missdeeds upon the Governor does not excuse the illegality of voter fraud. Stick to the subject at hand. If you want to pontificate about Gov. Scott and other instances where you think he is off base, then, start a new thread.

By the way, what are your credentials to question which actions are constitutional or otherwise? Could they be what you read in the Lame Street Media or do you profess to be some kind of Constitutional scholar. In any event, I believe you are way off base in condoning illegal and fraudulent voting and attempting to cast dispersions in other directions in order to justify this untenetable position. What does drug testing and privitization of prisons have to do with the issue at hand other than to take pot shots at the Governor?
This is my thread. I am not condoning illegal and fraudulent voting, but explaining the questionable way the governor went about purging the voter rolls with his questionable background. Please post all examples of voter fraud that have been prosecuted in the state of Florida since 2008.

Guest 06-03-2012 05:56 PM
Quote:
Posted by Guest (Post 500958)
What does one have to do with the other. You and your ilk seem to babble the Dem line no matter how ridiculous it makes you or them sound. All the Dems on this thread seem to be no more than a bunch of parrots. If there are people (dead or otherwise,) voting illegally, then why should it not be stopped and the perps prosecuted?

Someone, is out there neutralizing your vote, or, stealing the import of my vote. A LEGAL VOTE is an entitlement to me, and not for a criminal to dilute by fraud. Buried in the approval of illegals voting, seems to be the only way that the current POTUS can be reelected.

The attempt to avoid the issues by trying to cast missdeeds upon the Governor does not excuse the illegality of voter fraud. Stick to the subject at hand. If you want to pontificate about Gov. Scott and other instances where you think he is off base, then, start a new thread.

By the way, what are your credentials to question which actions are constitutional or otherwise? Could they be what you read in the Lame Street Media or do you profess to be some kind of Constitutional scholar. In any event, I believe you are way off base in condoning illegal and fraudulent voting and attempting to cast dispersions in other directions in order to justify this untenetable position. What does drug testing and privitization of prisons have to do with the issue at hand other than to take pot shots at the Governor?
You and your ilk can't believe that President Barack Obama won the election fair and square in 2008, as opposed to George W Bush in 2000. As you recall, he got over ten million more votes than Senator John McCain. The only way you and your ilk think you can defeat him in 2012 is to throw up all these bogus claims. Perhaps you'd have a better chance if your nominee wasn't so lame. Still waiting for those links to all the cases of voter fraud that have been prosecuted since 2008. You and your ilk just make yourselves look ridiculous making these allegations with no proof.

Guest 06-03-2012 06:16 PM
"Gov. Rick Scott’s administration created a mess by trying to get rid of noncitizen voters.

And President Obama’s administration helped him do it.

First, Obama’s Department of Homeland Security stonewalled the state’s noncitizen voter hunt for nearly nine months by refusing Florida access to an immigration database. Then, on Thursday, Obama’s Justice Department ordered the purge to halt, in part because time had run out.

Ironically, DOJ’s order cited the so-called “Motor Voter” law, which actually calls on states to purge ineligible voters. One former DOJ lawyer and critic, conservative J. Christian Adams, blogged that the former Obama appointee in charge of the voting section announced early on that it would ignore Motor Voter’s purge obligation.

“We have no interest in enforcing this provision of the law,” he quoted Julie Fernandes as saying in 2009 when she was an assistant attorney general. “It has nothing to do with increasing turnout, and we are just not going to do it.” She has since left DOJ.

So to recap: the feds delayed and then said time expired under a law it selectively enforces"

__________________________________________________

"A 1996 immigration crackdown law gives Florida the right to access the Homeland Security database known as SAVE, which stands for “Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements.” The federal law provides for "customer agencies to use SAVE for any legal purpose such as background investigations and voter registration."

The words in that quote come from page 12 of Homeland Security’s own booklet on SAVE. So why won’t DHS heed the law and its own booklet and share its info?

It won’t say. “Talk to DOJ,” a Homeland Security official said in an email Friday

DOJ isn’t really forthright, either.

On Thursday afternoon, a spokesman for the voting section of the Justice Department said it wouldn’t comment on whether it would heed the call of liberal-leaning civil rights groups to stop Florida’s noncitizen voter purge. It also refused to answer questions about Motor Voter.

Hours later, about 8 p.m., DOJ sent its de facto cease-and-desist letter to Florida and then forwarded the letter to a liberal blog.


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"It’s also doubtful Florida would be in this situation if DHS had given access to SAVE when Florida asked in October 2011.

Without SAVE, Florida relied on a motor-vehicle database that’s not updated when someone becomes a citizen. So those immigrants who become citizens and then register to vote can look like noncitizens via a simple database query.

Initially, Florida found 180,000 potential matches. It then greatly pared down the list to almost 2,700 by double-checking the information and then sending its potential noncitizen list to county election supervisors.

Florida won’t release its original list of 180,000 potential matches. DHS won’t let Florida have access to SAVE. And DOJ’s not being straight with the mainstream press or, apparently, with its enforcement of federal law."

Florida is no angel, not even close but it appears to be a case of political one upmanship AGAIN by this administration, and as usual the press accomodates. !!!!!



How Obama aided and abetted Scott’s voter purge mess - Marc Caputo - MiamiHerald.com

Guest 06-03-2012 07:46 PM
Justice Department Encourages Voter Fraud The Chicago Way
 
By ordering Florida to end it's efforts to remove ineligible voters from the state's voter rolls, it becomes breathtakingly clear that the government is actively promoting voter fraud.....(this from Investors Business Daily)

Democrats have made it clear that honest elections are not in their best interests. From the easy registration of the "motor voter laws", to the fierce opposition to requirements that voters must prove they are who they say they are, it becomes clear that the leftists favor messy elections.

Accusations that voter ID requirements disenfranchise minority voters are nonsense. The process of authenticating your identity is required for so many day to day activities, from flying, cashing a check, to getting a driver's license or passport. There should be no less required for the greatest privilege and duty of them all.

The Justice Department Tries To Shut Down Florida's Effort To Reduce On Voter Fraud - Investors.com

Guest 06-03-2012 08:15 PM
For those of you that keep insisting that Bush stole the elelction in 2000 don't forget that three different recounts were done. One by Dems, one by Repubs and one by Indeps. All three showed Bush winning. Also, the media called Florida for Bush before the polls had closed in the Panhandle. It was estimated that it costs Bush 10,000 votes. That doesn't even take in how many votes it costs him in states that had many hours to go before they closed. Once Florida was called for Gore many people, myself included, figured that was it. If Gore had won his home state he would have won. He didn't even win his district.

Guest 06-03-2012 08:19 PM
a lot of the usual dodging and weaving from the usual Obama supporters, but still no comments on :

If it is wrong or broken why is it not OK to fix it?


btk

Guest 06-03-2012 08:20 PM
Quote:
Posted by Guest (Post 501031)
By ordering Florida to end it's efforts to remove ineligible voters from the state's voter rolls, it becomes breathtakingly clear that the government is actively promoting voter fraud.....(this from Investors Business Daily)

Democrats have made it clear that honest elections are not in their best interests. From the easy registration of the "motor voter laws", to the fierce opposition to requirements that voters must prove they are who they say they are, it becomes clear that the leftists favor messy elections.

Accusations that voter ID requirements disenfranchise minority voters are nonsense. The process of authenticating your identity is required for so many day to day activities, from flying, cashing a check, to getting a driver's license or passport. There should be no less required for the greatest privilege and duty of them all.

The Justice Department Tries To Shut Down Florida's Effort To Reduce On Voter Fraud - Investors.com
Being from Chicago I couldn't of said it better.The Dem's of cook county made the mob look honest

Guest 06-03-2012 08:23 PM
Quote:
Posted by Guest (Post 500958)
What does one have to do with the other. You and your ilk seem to babble the Dem line no matter how ridiculous it makes you or them sound. All the Dems on this thread seem to be no more than a bunch of parrots. If there are people (dead or otherwise,) voting illegally, then why should it not be stopped and the perps prosecuted?

Someone, is out there neutralizing your vote, or, stealing the import of my vote. A LEGAL VOTE is an entitlement to me, and not for a criminal to dilute by fraud. Buried in the approval of illegals voting, seems to be the only way that the current POTUS can be reelected.

The attempt to avoid the issues by trying to cast missdeeds upon the Governor does not excuse the illegality of voter fraud. Stick to the subject at hand. If you want to pontificate about Gov. Scott and other instances where you think he is off base, then, start a new thread.

By the way, what are your credentials to question which actions are constitutional or otherwise? Could they be what you read in the Lame Street Media or do you profess to be some kind of Constitutional scholar. In any event, I believe you are way off base in condoning illegal and fraudulent voting and attempting to cast dispersions in other directions in order to justify this untenetable position. What does drug testing and privitization of prisons have to do with the issue at hand other than to take pot shots at the Governor?
thank your for your post, whatever.

Guest 06-03-2012 08:30 PM
Quote:
Posted by Guest (Post 500970)
Me and my ilk as you phrased it, resent the Republicans trying to swing the
upcoming vote by illigally using jim crow voting laws to keep the voters
from exercising their rights. These laws that were passed by a right wing
governor and his tea party cronies will be found to be unconstitutional. How
many voter fraud cases are there? May be a very few. There is nojustification
for these regulations.
aassande@comcast.net
aassande - would you and your ilk be willing to find A 'better' legal way to purge the voter rolls in florida? you ask how many voter fraud cases there are and then suggest maybe very few...i ask you -
IS EVEN ONE CASE OF VOTER FRAUD OKAY?

Guest 06-04-2012 06:54 AM
Quote:
Posted by Guest (Post 501047)
aassande - would you and your ilk be willing to find A 'better' legal way to purge the voter rolls in florida? you ask how many voter fraud cases there are and then suggest maybe very few...i ask you -
IS EVEN ONE CASE OF VOTER FRAUD OKAY?
PLEASE post a link to all the voter fraud cases that have been prosecuted in Florida since 2008; a newspaper article, a court case, a police blotter, anything. Or just tell me what county this fraud occured in, and I'll call the Supervisor of Elections in that county myself. Until you can substantiate all the voter and registration fraud that you allege, you make yourself look ridiculous.

BTW: I have read a daily newspaper in Florida for the past 12 years and have never seen a mention of a case being prosecuted. Where's your proof?

Guest 06-04-2012 07:27 AM
"From 2008 to 2011, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement received just 31 complaints of suspicious voting fraud, resulting in only three arrests statewide", according to this article.

Florida GOP Takes Voter Suppression to a Brazen New Extreme


Florida GOP Takes Voter Suppression to a Brazen New Extreme | Ari Berman | Politics News | Rolling Stone

Guest 06-04-2012 07:36 AM
Brennan Center on Voting Purges.
 
Purges | Brennan Center for Justice

Brennan Center and purges in the news-- In the News: Purges | Brennan Center for Justice

Guest 06-04-2012 11:56 AM
Voter Fraud and Shark Attacks
 
Quote:
Posted by Guest (Post 501176)
"From 2008 to 2011, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement received just 31 complaints of suspicious voting fraud, resulting in only three arrests statewide", according to this article.

Florida GOP Takes Voter Suppression to a Brazen New Extreme


Florida GOP Takes Voter Suppression to a Brazen New Extreme | Ari Berman | Politics News | Rolling Stone
It seems one is more likely to encounter a shark attack in Florida than voter fraud. What we have here is a solution in search or a problem. See following for some statistics. PolitiFact Florida | Are shark attacks more common than voter fraud in Florida?

Guest 06-04-2012 12:06 PM
because the complaint level is low, just means it is an accepted distortion. No different from the millions who are getting food stamps and other freebies that are not qualified.

Do not mess with the status quo even if it is wrong or illegal....because it preserves votes.

So why is it not OK to fix what is wrong or illegal?

btk


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