Originally Posted by Guest

The Iraq Invasion cost over 4,000 dead Americans, thousands maimed, and thousands more psychological wounded - all for NOTHING.

Can anyone disprove that?

Just wondering can you look in your crystal ball and tell us what will happen if we leave Iran alone with their nuclear bombs. You can't prove what hasn't happened. Who knows what Saddam might have been capable of if given time. I don't know if the war was the right thing or the wrong thing, but I do know at the time both parties supported the action and I always wondered why Saddam kept bragging about his "weapons of mass destruction" when he knew we were coming for him. Maybe if he had said I don't have any such thing come and look things would have been different.
Maybe if a sinkhole had swallowed Iraq things would be different. But they went down the way they were supposed to for whatever reason and now we have to deal with this. And please don't forget we were attacked several times in our country by these terrorists before we took any action. They were already out to get us - we just exposed them sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by Guest

The Iraq Invasion cost over 4,000 dead Americans, thousands maimed, and thousands more psychological wounded - all for NOTHING.

Can anyone disprove that?

Well, cant prove the FOR NOTHING statement, thus neither can you !

The question is not about that struggle is it?

Originally Posted by Guest

Well, cant prove the FOR NOTHING statement, thus neither can you !

The question is not about that struggle is it?

Over 4,000 dead Americans, thousands maimed for life, thousands more scarred by psychological trauma is a "struggle"?

What did that invasion do to benefit the USA? Nothing!

Contrary to some people, the 9/11 terrorists were not sent by Saddam. There were NO weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq. It was a lie.

Just imagine ISIS capturing American soldiers and pilots. They would be executed without a doubt. For what?

Originally Posted by Guest

Over 4,000 dead Americans, thousands maimed for life, thousands more scarred by psychological trauma is a "struggle"?

What did that invasion do to benefit the USA? Nothing!

Contrary to some people, the 9/11 terrorists were not sent by Saddam. There were NO weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq. It was a lie.

Just imagine ISIS capturing American soldiers and pilots. They would be executed without a doubt. For what?

So..is it then your thought that we apply this same logic to any threats from here on, OR does it only apply now ?

Originally Posted by Guest

Over 4,000 dead Americans, thousands maimed for life, thousands more scarred by psychological trauma is a "struggle"?

What did that invasion do to benefit the USA? Nothing!

Contrary to some people, the 9/11 terrorists were not sent by Saddam. There were NO weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq. It was a lie.

Just imagine ISIS capturing American soldiers and pilots. They would be executed without a doubt. For what?

Which wars had it that neither side captured the others or did not execute the other?

The only reason the wars in the Middle East continue is they are nothing more than political chess.
If our military were tasked with winning and then left to do their job the wars would have been over long ago and many lives saved.
Our military has been emasculated over the past 6 years. As a result those who would do harm to the USA, it's people and or assets are emboldened to proceed without fear. ISIS being the most current classic case.

The above poster gave ABSOLUTELY no answer as to WHY the USA invaded Iraq. Or what the reason was that so many thousands of A mericans were killed or maimed.

The poster makes it sound like he/she is perfectly okay with American soldiers being captured by ISIS, put in cages, and executed on video.

Not me!

Originally Posted by Guest

The above poster gave ABSOLUTELY no answer as to WHY the USA invaded Iraq. Or what the reason was that so many thousands of A mericans were killed or maimed.

The poster makes it sound like he/she is perfectly okay with American soldiers being captured by ISIS, put in cages, and executed on video.

Not me!

I certainly never read into that post what you saw..not even close.

Since this thread is about ISIL and NOT the Iraq war, maybe you should start another thread and redeal and rehash the Iraq war.

What it will be, just to save you time, is folks who are supporters of President Obama will join you in bashing George Bush since they do not want to talk about TODAYS foreign policy, and they can make some valid HISTORICAL POINTS.

Part of that discussion should be our leaving so rapidly against all advice which all the experts from the area say was the birth of ISIL. I suppose you could make the case saying that if we had not been in Iraq , then Obama would not have left early.....ok...fair but what would be the point of that.

I sure hope our country is now not going to make all decisions using the prism you are using.

You can bring up all the misleading statements made prior to the Iraq invasion which will be totally steeped in hate for Bush. Others can do the same with ISIL.

Point is...history is history and while there are certainly academic reasons to reopen Iraq, the current world situation is quite a plateful on its own.

Again, the opposite can be said HISTORICALLY about the Second World War, where we dragged our feet so long in getting involved and there certainly is not just proof but volumes of books written on how many lives may have been saved had we entered and got involved earlier.

Point is...learn from history for sure but treating it as a focal point for current events is a waste of good energy.

ON the other hand, I was please to see we stepped up our bombing raids in the Mosul area. Hopefully, this group will at some point recognize the futility and simply disappear one day. That is a hope...reality is the terrorism aspect is going to continue.

Did anyone hear about the group arrested in St Louis....

"Six natives from Bosnia, three from the St. Louis area, have been charged with aiding terrorists. The six , who immigrated to the U..S from Bosnia, are under federal indictment and accused of sending accessories for weapon and money to Syria and Iraq. The three from the St. Louis area include a husband and wife, but no information was provided on where they lived or their work history if any. Two of the suspects appeared before a federal judge in St. Louis today. Of the six indicted, two of them, one from St. Louis, are also charged with conspiracy to kill and maim people in another country. If convicted, the crimes of conspiring to provide material support carry penalties ranging up to 15 years in prison for each count and/or fines up to $250,000. The crime of conspiring to kill and maim persons in a foreign country carries a penalty of up to life in prison

Six Indicted on Charges of Aiding Terrorists: Three from St. Louis Area « CBS St. Louis

This group, from this article, did not appear to pose a threat INSIDE THE US, but the mind set...the players in this terrorism game appear to be on our shores.

Originally Posted by Guest

Our government needs to realize, and realize it quickly, that these are people you cannot reason with. We had better sit up and pay attention or for the first time since the Civil War, we will see battle...not just suicide bombings, etc., but actual atrocities and combat right here on our own soil. What is happening there is just a sampling of what is to come if they get here.

Don't know where you've been, but some of us witnessed actual atrocities right here on our own soil on 9/11.

Guessed you missed it - or maybe 9/11 doesn't count as an atrocity in your book.

As does the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing and the Atlanta Centennial Park bombing and the Colorado theater shooting and the school shootings, etc. All are atrocities. It does not have to be committed by an Islamic terrorist to be an atrocity.

Originally Posted by Guest

As does the Oklahoma City Federal Building bombing and the Atlanta Centennial Park bombing and the Colorado theater shooting and the school shootings, etc. All are atrocities. It does not have to be committed by an Islamic terrorist to be an atrocity.

The difference between the whack jobs you refer to and ISIS is the whack jobs weren't trying to eliminate the western world.

As early as tomorrow, President Obama will send to congress his request for authorization to use military force to defeat ISSL. Presumably, this request will contain the objective of the mission, the duration of the mission, and all the other particulars of this war, for congress to debate.

Finally, members of congress get to step up to the plate, ask their questions, voice their opinions and finally, vote. As this discussion gets going, those that have strong feelings, one way or the other, should contact their elected representative and let them know how you feel.

So if I read the majority of the postings correctly, we need to get involved and we are not attacking ISIL. We should be more strongly reacting, like Jordan did. We should oppose fundamentalist Islam as a direct threat to our security. That any Islamic state that uses rigid Sharia law is our enemy.

So do we support the Shia butchers or the Sunni butchers. You have to take a side because if we fight one we are supporting the other. How are you with the Wahhabi version of Islam?

For those who say the administration is doing nothing and Jordan is so decisive, please find and link for me the number of missions flown against ISIS by various nations. Please find me some experts who could tell you which side we should have supporting in the civil war in Syria, the Sunni side, the Shia side, the Syrian government. There is no moderate side.

For those bashing the President for not doing something about Syria, your memory is very defective on what he wanted.

Database: Tallying congressional support for Syria strike

He asked for Congressional authorization and it was unable to be passed. there was overwhelming GOP opposition to authorization

Yes: House (26) (18 Democrats, 8 Republicans)
No: House (120) (29 Democrats, 91 Republicans
Leaning No: House (118) (38 Democrats, 80 Republicans)
Undecided: House (169) (114 Democrats, 55 Republicans)

Tough Hill vote on Syria fades - Burgess Everett - POLITICO.com

There are no moderates in the middle eastern wars. Each faction wants their faith to control their territory and the next. And they are willing to kill and be killed for their faith. We don't need to take a side we need to stay out of it if they stay out of our business (and I don't mean our oil business).

We should continue to oppose the export of extremism to our nation. We should teach tolerance, allow the free expression of opinion, and crush violence when it is our problem. You are not going to create a military solution that will last. You can chase some soldiers into hiding but they will return as soon as we depart whether that means 1 year 5 years or 50 years. These battles are not ours to solve. The GOP is right to oppose intervention now.

Originally Posted by Guest

This mess would not be happening if our previous president had not invaded Iraq under the LIES of weapons of mass destruction. What a buffoon he was.

Dear Guest: First you statement is not a political point or counter point (i.e. an argument). It is an accusation, a charge and a false one at that. Secondly it does not relieve the responsibility of the present Administration of their act of omissions and commission pertaining to its foreign policy and defense positions. Third, the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction, a bipartisan body was formed and charged in 2004 to evaluate the intelligence community's determination that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD. In 2002 the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) stated in a formal presentation to George Bush and Congress its view that they were 90% certain Saddam had WMD. A 90% certainty in the intelligence community is about as certain as it gets.
Fourth, the liberal media pushed the"Bush lied, lie, evolving it to an anti-war slogani and a journalistic fact .

SO PLEASE NO MORE LIES ABOUT "BUSH LIED" because it is all political hogwash