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Yes we have had more dangerous hurricanes but what about all the other indications that there has been global warming which according to most of the established scientists is man-made?

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Originally Posted by Guest

Hurricane Irma aftermath: Trump doesn’t blame climate change | Miami Herald

Yes we have had more dangerous hurricanes but what about all the other indications that there has been global warming which according to most of the established scientists is man-made?

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

B.S. ! "Most" is a lie. We have had no more hurricanes than any other period on record. And there is NO real scientist that will say absolutely that global warming is man made. If you believe otherwise, you are a fool.

Oh, I forgot who I was replying to. Some folks are a waste of oxygen. And some folks almost exist solely to convince one that abortion may not have been such a bad idea. Anyone for post-natal abortion?

Originally Posted by Guest

Hurricane Irma aftermath: Trump doesn’t blame climate change | Miami Herald

Yes we have had more dangerous hurricanes but what about all the other indications that there has been global warming which according to most of the established scientists is man-made?

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

There is global warming and probably due to what humans do....BUT getting the whole world to change is another issue. And spending money on stupid stuff and forming groups where only the U.S. pays is NOT going to change things enough to make enough difference to change greenhouse gases.

It is like peeing in the sea. Yes there is a problem, but unless the whole earth shuts down engines, not much will be changed. It isn't going to happen.

The 3 "most powerful" storms...

Wilma 2005
Labor Day 1935
Gilbert 1988

"Man made" global warming caused the 2nt strongest storm way back in 1935?

The DAMAGE COSTS go up because the coasts are PACKED with people and pricey things...NOT because the storms are more powerful.

There's a difference between causality and correlation.

The same way you have trouble with the causation of problems associated with black people.

Originally Posted by Guest

There is global warming and probably due to what humans do....BUT getting the whole world to change is another issue. And spending money on stupid stuff and forming groups where only the U.S. pays is NOT going to change things enough to make enough difference to change greenhouse gases.

It is like peeing in the sea. Yes there is a problem, but unless the whole earth shuts down engines, not much will be changed. It isn't going to happen.

Not peeing in the sea but unleashing the power of the Mississippi River on the Gulf. We have not yet really got started on finding solutions to the problem of global warming.

What this storm and others actually prove is that man is really an insignificant part of the overall scheme of thing's
Mans contribution to the storms severity is building in the wrong places..
Al Gores contribution is to his bank account only...

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Not peeing in the sea but unleashing the power of the Mississippi River on the Gulf. We have not yet really got started on finding solutions to the problem of global warming.

Peeing in the sea was my way of expressing useless and paltry and stupid little things that don't make much difference in the great scheme of things. Yes there is a problem. Unless everyone changes a lot of things that they won't. Not good.

Originally Posted by Guest

B.S. ! "Most" is a lie. We have had no more hurricanes than any other period on record. And there is NO real scientist that will say absolutely that global warming is man made. If you believe otherwise, you are a fool.

Oh, I forgot who I was replying to. Some folks are a waste of oxygen. And some folks almost exist solely to convince one that abortion may not have been such a bad idea. Anyone for post-natal abortion?

You'll be happy to hear that Texas has such concern for the unborn they're considering making male masturbation against the law. Once you give strangers the right to make laws about your body, it can lead to a lot of unintended consequences. After all, sperm may be alive...Human Sperm May 'Smell' Their Way To The Egg, Science Study Suggests -- ScienceDaily

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You'll be happy to hear that Texas has such concern for the unborn they're considering making male masturbation against the law. Once you give strangers the right to make laws about your body, it can lead to a lot of unintended consequences. After all, sperm may be alive...Human Sperm May 'Smell' Their Way To The Egg, Science Study Suggests -- ScienceDaily

And then what? We can no longer breathe "untreated" natural air because there are living things that are killed when we breathe in? PETA will make sure ALL life is protected.

Or is just "human" life protected? What about the other closely related species on welfare?

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You'll be happy to hear that Texas has such concern for the unborn they're considering making male masturbation against the law. Once you give strangers the right to make laws about your body, it can lead to a lot of unintended consequences. After all, sperm may be alive...Human Sperm May 'Smell' Their Way To The Egg, Science Study Suggests -- ScienceDaily

Liberals are all about giving control of themselves to the gov nanny. They NEED the gov to run their useless lives, so they mandate climate control tactics, control of speech, control of guns that protect good people from bad, control of what one eats, control of health care. Did I miss any control that the liberals wish to give the government?

From a non-profit think tank on climate change - The consensus among scientists is that the effects of climate change, such as rising sea levels and warmer oceans, made these recent storms far more destructive than they would have been in previous decades. In other words, climate change is not the cause of the storm, but it makes bad storms worse. And in the case of a really bad storm, climate change can make it totally disastrous or catastrophic.

It's not brain surgery. If the ice caps are melting, causing a rise in sea level, the chances for destructive storm surges and flooding greatly increase.

Originally Posted by Guest

Liberals are all about giving control of themselves to the gov nanny. They NEED the gov to run their useless lives, so they mandate climate control tactics, control of speech, control of guns that protect good people from bad, control of what one eats, control of health care. Did I miss any control that the liberals wish to give the government?

Liberals are women and minorities...BOTH needy. Men provide and women use...it's how societies have run for millions of years. Women are smaller and weaker, are encumbered with babies/children...and therefore NEED to be provided for by the men. Our "modern society" determined in the 1960s to throw away millions of years and try something new...women/minority domination. It's NOT working.

Originally Posted by Guest

From a non-profit think tank on climate change - The consensus among scientists is that the effects of climate change, such as rising sea levels and warmer oceans, made these recent storms far more destructive than they would have been in previous decades. In other words, climate change is not the cause of the storm, but it makes bad storms worse. And in the case of a really bad storm, climate change can make it totally disastrous or catastrophic.

It's not brain surgery. If the ice caps are melting, causing a rise in sea level, the chances for destructive storm surges and flooding greatly increase.

Flooding of swamps turned into subdivisions made this storm destructive...widespread power outages made this storm destructive. The top 3 storms are Emily in 2005, Labor Day in 1935 and Gilbert in 1988. There has been NO effect on Atlantic hurricanes.

Your story is full of "maybe" "chance" "could".

The planet has been warming since the last ice age ended. Slowly...cyclically.

CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere and it's not a strong greenhouse gas. The whole CO2 thing is a scam to make some people a lot of money.

Hurricane Irma was the largest hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic, but it was neither one of the deadliest nor one of the most destructive.

Other people have named the three most powerful. I would point out that the most deadly in terms of deaths was the unnamed storm that struck Galveston, Texas, in 1900, killing 8,000 people.

Since 1851, a total of 293 North Atlantic hurricanes produced hurricane-force winds in 19 states along the Atlantic coast. We are not seeing "more" or "more deadly" hurricanes due to alleged "climate change."

I know of no one who denies that the climate changes over time. Geology demonstrates that. But climate change, both colder and warmer, has taken place before the human industrial revolution. Much of the changes may be attributed to volcanic action, sunspots, the tilt of the Earth, etc.

When in the life of the Earth did climate not change?

Carl in Tampa

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Originally Posted by Guest

Hurricane Irma was the largest hurricane ever recorded in the Atlantic, but it was neither one of the deadliest nor one of the most destructive.

Other people have named the three most powerful. I would point out that the most deadly in terms of deaths was the unnamed storm that struck Galveston, Texas, in 1900, killing 8,000 people.

Since 1851, a total of 293 North Atlantic hurricanes produced hurricane-force winds in 19 states along the Atlantic coast. We are not seeing "more" or "more deadly" hurricanes due to alleged "climate change."

A totally inadequate conclusion. Since "global" climate is involved, why only talk about North Atlantic hurricanes?
One cannot equate the number of deaths with the ferocity of the storm. Inadequate preparation for such storms, and the unlikelihood that there was advance warning of such a storm is the more likely culprit of such a large number of casualties.
How Will Scientists Find Out Whether Climate Change Made Hurricane Harvey Worse? see: How Will Scientists Find Out Whether Climate Change Made Hurricane Harvey Worse? | Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory

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I know of no one who denies that the climate changes over time. Geology demonstrates that. But climate change, both colder and warmer, has taken place before the human industrial revolution. Much of the changes may be attributed to volcanic action, sunspots, the tilt of the Earth, etc.Carl in Tampa

"When in the life of the Earth did climate not change?Is global warming a natural cycle? Or is global warming affected by human influence? What does the science say? Both are true. In the natural cycle, the world can warm, and cool, without any human interference. For the past million years this has occurred over and over again at approximately 100,000 year intervals. About 80-90,000 years of ice age with about 10-20,000 years of warm period, give or take some thousands of years.

The difference is that in the natural cycle CO2 lags behind the warming because it is mainly due to the Milankovitch cycles. Now CO2 is leading the warming. Current warming is clearly not natural cycle.

Where are we currently in the natural cycle (Milankovitch cycle)? The warmest point of the last cycle was around 10,000 years ago, at the peak of the Holocene. Since then, there has been an overall cooling trend, consistent with a continuation of the natural cycle, and this cooling would continue for thousands of years into the future if all else remained the same. But since 1750 however, the CO2 content of the atmosphere has deviated from the natural cycle. Instead of decreasing, it has increased because of the fossil-fuel burning. Methane and nitrous oxide have also increased unnaturally because of agricultural practices and other factors. The world has also warmed unnaturally. We are now deviating from the natural cycle." http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env.../natural-cycle

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A totally inadequate conclusion. Since "global" climate is involved, why only talk about North Atlantic hurricanes?
One cannot equate the number of deaths with the ferocity of the storm. Inadequate preparation for such storms, and the unlikelihood that there was advance warning of such a storm is the more likely culprit of such a large number of casualties.
How Will Scientists Find Out Whether Climate Change Made Hurricane Harvey Worse? see: How Will Scientists Find Out Whether Climate Change Made Hurricane Harvey Worse? | Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory


"When in the life of the Earth did climate not change?Is global warming a natural cycle? Or is global warming affected by human influence? What does the science say? Both are true. In the natural cycle, the world can warm, and cool, without any human interference. For the past million years this has occurred over and over again at approximately 100,000 year intervals. About 80-90,000 years of ice age with about 10-20,000 years of warm period, give or take some thousands of years.

The difference is that in the natural cycle CO2 lags behind the warming because it is mainly due to the Milankovitch cycles. Now CO2 is leading the warming. Current warming is clearly not natural cycle.

Where are we currently in the natural cycle (Milankovitch cycle)? The warmest point of the last cycle was around 10,000 years ago, at the peak of the Holocene. Since then, there has been an overall cooling trend, consistent with a continuation of the natural cycle, and this cooling would continue for thousands of years into the future if all else remained the same. But since 1750 however, the CO2 content of the atmosphere has deviated from the natural cycle. Instead of decreasing, it has increased because of the fossil-fuel burning. Methane and nitrous oxide have also increased unnaturally because of agricultural practices and other factors. The world has also warmed unnaturally. We are now deviating from the natural cycle." http://ossfoundation.us/projects/env.../natural-cycle

1. We talk about North Atlantic hurricanes because they are the ones that impact us most.

2. No one equated the number of deaths with the ferocity of the storm. In fact, the Galveston storm of 1900 had so many deaths because the hurricane was unexpected, and preparations (evacuation) were not made.

3. The records of recorded history are a mere speck in time of the life of the Earth. "Computer Models" are often created to "prove" the pre-conceptions of the "scientists" that create them. It has become very ho-hum to hear "scientific conclusions."

4. Until you have a world dictatorship that can compel every nation to do things your way, there will never be world wide compliance with "clean air standards."

Otherwise you are just spitting into the wind.

Carl in Tampa

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