Village Golfer and BBQMan -

1. Nazism was founded out of the current of the far-right and racist German völkisch nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany. The ideology was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

2. The US should never have been involved in Vietnam. It was a civil war. It cost over 58,000 American lives - all wasted.

3. The Civil Rights in America would have naturally evolved? Just like it evolved in South Africa? There would have been another Civil War in the US. Would you want that?

Originally Posted by buggyone

Village Golfer and BBQMan -

1. Nazism was founded out of the current of the far-right and racist German völkisch nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany. The ideology was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

2. The US should never have been involved in Vietnam. It was a civil war. It cost over 58,000 American lives - all wasted.

3. The Civil Rights in America would have naturally evolved? Just like it evolved in South Africa? There would have been another Civil War in the US. Would you want that?

Yes, the left wing cowards wasted the American lives. Most of the coward protesters were draft dodgers who were only concerned with their lives, not the soldiers, not our friends , South VietNam.
When the war ended the coward hippies cut their hair, took a shower, put on a suit and made their fortune on Wall Street. Hipocrites, every one of them.
And what the heck has South Africa got to do with America?????
Nazi's were left-wingers!!!

Originally Posted by buggyone

Village Golfer and BBQMan -

1. Nazism was founded out of the current of the far-right and racist German völkisch nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany. The ideology was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

Yep...as unfortunate as it seems to those of us that proclaim to be Right-wing...Yep. The Nazis were pro-Christian (albiet it their perverse rendition of it), anti-communist, anti-Marxist, anti-atheist and anti-labor leaders--that sounds right-wing to me!
But that is where the comparison ends-in label only. Thank God!
However, thanks BBQMan for the suggested reading about the Third Reich. I hope I can come back and refute this post

Originally Posted by buggyone

Village Golfer and BBQMan -

1. Nazism was founded out of the current of the far-right and racist German völkisch nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany. The ideology was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

Bugs - Anton Drexler and Karl Harrer founded both the German Workers Party and the Political Workers Union. Harrer was to resign from the German Workers Party in 1920 and vanished from the political scene. Dexler attempted to throw Hitler out of the National Socialist German Worker's Party in 1921 but failed and became irrelevant although used as a propaganda tool as late as 1937. The idea of Hitler's political ideas being formed by these two is farfetched at best. Hitler used them just as he used President Paul von Hindenberg in his rise to power.

William L. Shirer lived through and reported on the events in Germany during Hitler's rise to power. He reported on the aftermath of the Reichstag fire, he was present for Kristallnacht and continued his reporting for the invasions of France, Norway, etc. He knew the main players as the drama played out. I know of no other historian that approaches his firsthand knowledge of events involving the Third Reich.

BBQMan-

First, you seem to be addressing your post to "Bugs". I am "buggyone".

2nd - you seem to be knowledgable about William Shirer and he did get his material for Rise and Fall of the Third Reich from wartime papers and documents. Excellent author, too. It is a shame he was blacklisted because he was named in a Communist pamphlet - Red Channels: The Report of Communist Influence in Radio and Television is an anti-Communist tract published in the United States at the height of the Red Scare.


3rd - Scholars everywhere will agree that the Nazis were right-wing extremeists - and hopefully we will never see their kind again. Just because their name has National Democratic Socialist in the title, do not get the idea it is a liberal idea. You could call a pig an opera star on all the billboards and it still could not sing. The actions count - not a name.

Your postings are always interesting and polite without name calling. Village Golfer seems to have a problem with facts, though. It is not right just to put down information and say it is "right because I say so".

Village Golfer -

I do not know what you are talking about. Please do not harass me or I will have to ask the Admin to intercede.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Village Golfer -

I do not know what you are talking about. Please do not harass me or I will have to ask the Admin to intercede.

Thank you.

He who lives in glass houses...

Topic of thread - "Website to look at"

Originally Posted by DDoug

www.usdayofrage.org not a good thing

That day might be fun to watch, but the rage would be mis-directed. Wall Street is the epitome of the entrepreneurial private sector business that conservatives say is the answer to just about any problem we face--healthcare, privatizing Social Security, etc.

While I have the highest regard for the private sector and Wall Street, I think we need to be very careful on the degree of trust we place in that critically important element of the private sector. Wall Street is very smart, very creative, very entrepreneurial, very profit-oriented, and very short-term in their perspective. They want to make lots of money, make it fast, and make it while putting as little of their capital at risk as possible.

Wall Street is NOT the private sector answer to long-term structural financial problems. The non-financial elements of the private sector will be the engine that revs up to improve our financial health. But that sector of our economy can only operate effectively if it's provided with an economic environment that's predictable, doesn't tax profits at too high a rate, and regulates only the necessary elements of the economy with a consistent, non-political, non-ideological and light hand.

Those are the responsibilities of government. If there will be a "day of rage", it should be directed at government, both federal and state--not Wall Street!