Wow, what a mind. You must have a book of quotes by your side.

Again let me try to explain Buggy. We're talking Christian theology. We're discussing Christian teachings, their faith and their covenants with God.

Do you believe in the teachings, the word of Jesus Christ or not? If not, what makes you Christian?

I am stating no opinion here on abortion. I personally do not like abortion but I can see where someone might consider it necessary.

However, what would Jesus do? Jesus was a Jew. He grew up as a Jew. If he was a Talmud thumping Jew, he probably would have called for the death of the abortionist be it a midwife or the mother. Who ever caused the death of the fetus. An eye for an eye.

Would this justify running around killing abortion practitioners? The women who request abortions? It is God's law perhaps we should let God enforce it.

I firmly believe that we should discourage abortion. But in the end I think anyone who has an abortion will have to stand before their God in final judgment.

Just a thought

Superior factual posts by Katzpajamma. I can surely respect the post by Richielion showing devout spiritual loyalty and faith. Now I would love to see what Katz has to say about this post since I fall into this type of thinking. If I am wrong, put me on the right path. CMANN has pitted Old Testament against New Testament and hits my way of thinking right in the bullseye. If I am wrong in my thinking, I believe the answer is in this very post, I just can't break it down. Please give a response to CMANN Katz.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. :cus:

Rape and Incest-In the case of rape, I am assuming that the rapist would not be sticking around to raise the child nor care for the needs of the mother. Jesus had this to say ...James 1:27 Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. It is our responsibility to speak for and protect these little living souls per the directive of our Savior.

Killing of the abortionist?-Jesus, who we Christians believe to be God in the flesh, said in Exodus 20:13 "You shall nor murder." I think that we already have laws in this country addressing the crime of murder. Life begins at conception as I have addessed in previous threads, the Virginia abortion law thread comes to mind. In Ohio if you take a life, you quite possible could find yourself on death row. It is a matter that must be handled by enforcers of our laws.

If I understand Katz, she says that a 12 year girl rape victim and gets pregnant - should be forced to give birth. Quoting some scripture does not do that 12 year old girl any good, Katz. Shouldn't it be up to each person to do as they feel right?

Richie did not answer my question but tried turning the table by asking me my religious viewpoint. Sorry, Richie, that did not work. Will you answer my question or just decline - which is your right to do, of course.

I think you meant to quote (or misquote) the words of Jesus not Katz...

The forgotten victims of rape are also children....http://www.righttoliferoch.org/nforgotten.htm

Tell that to the victims of rape...like they had a choice.

ladydoc ~ What choice do the unborn children who are the result of rape or incest? Is any of it their fault either? In what venue do two wrongs make a right? The forgotten victims of rape are also children....http://www.righttoliferoch.org/nforgotten.htm

Please explain this to me
 

I have been fascinated reading some of your answers. All of us are entitled to our opinions. We each have to answer to our god....we each need to make our own decisions BUT I have NO right to make a decision about a woman's right to choice. Neither do you, in my opinion...the one I have a right to have.

Here is my basic confusion in all of this. Given the demographics of TV, I am going to assume that the majority of responders are republicans. If this is not a valid assumption, then I apologize. Actually I have two questions...1) why does it seem that your interest in having these unwanted children born ENDS when they are born and 2) are you willing to pony up with increased taxes and social programs to care for all of these children? Will you adopt one?

I think not; not given all that I have read in other posts. A family that can not care for another baby is not going to magically have the resources once the child is born. The other children in the family will have to do with even less. Every child deserves basic things...like food and a clean place to live. Maybe parents who care about their development and education. Personally I feel that if you are not willing to help with the child after its birth then you have no right to insist it be born.

I don't like the idea of abortion; no one likes the IDEA, but reality is reality. I will not insist that a 12 year old incest victim have a baby....

It's not a hard question and I believe I made myself clear. By law the hypothetical 12 year old girl has the right to abort the baby forced on her by extreme violence of body and spirit. If such a decision was made, every true Christian would pray for that girl and the destroyed new life.

But your are at odds with your faith in Christ, if in your heart you support the termination of that innocent life. It's a terrible thing that happened to that hypothetical 12 year old girl, but for a Christian of faith, is it any more terrible that the death of the innocent life?

But as the vast majority of abortions (maybe 96% of them are performed for birth control reasons according to the World Health Organization) we have more than the "12 year old" to ponder when it comes to abortion.

1-You assume that my interest ENDS when the "unwanted" child is born- WRONG

2-I not only pony up the tax money, but I support numerous groups that assist unwed mothers, victims of rape and incest, pregnancy centers in my area. AND I have an adopted child, and I support others who are desperate to have a child thru adoption since they cannot concieve and those who just love children with their giant sized hearts.

and I will add a number 3-reality is reality...It is always easier to remove a problem than to dig deep into your heart and resolve it in a loving miraculous way. I choose LOVE. Love conquers all!

Therefore, when you say "I think not", you thought wrong.

Ladydoc has an excellent post.