I am so happy that my mother was anti-abortion.:spoken:

Dehumanizing life at it's beginnings is very convenient. If you are Christian, you have no question as to when life begins.

Ok, I've read most (though nto *all*) of this.. I might as well chime in here.

1) Saying that pro-choice = pro-abortion by fiat declaration borders on silly. It's an attempt to control the narrative. What *some* fail to understand is that pro-choice, by it's most common definition means allowing the woman the CHOICE - whether it's birth, adoption or abortion. My thoughts on the subject is that abortion is the symptom, not the disease. Unwanted pregnancies are the disease. Stop the pregnancies in the first place and you've virtually solved the abortion problem - with VERY few exceptions.

2) The whole "Jesus" thing and how He'd feel about abortions.

I apologize in advance for the tone I'm about to be taking.

How *bleeping* convenient it is for some cherry-picking Christians to rail against abortions and then turn around and vote for the same GOP/Tea Party conservatives who's first course of action for ANYTHING is to cut spending on the poor while protecting tax breaks for corporations!

I was raised a Catholic and, believe you me, they were very against abortions - but they were also out there constantly making efforts for the poor. Soup kitchens, food pantries, relief centers - you name it. Heck, if it hadn't been for their disgusting responses to the pedophile priest scandals I might still be supportive of them.

Ok, got that bit of a rant out of my system for now.

I say this from the point of view of someone who WAS adopted. I also have two daughters. In addition I was there for both a miscarriage and an abortion. I was NOT happy with that latter decision but when you combine birth control failure with not being able to afford another kid, you have a rough time coming. Now, on top of that, add the fact that you both just went in for full body x-rays (started chiropractic theraphy and had no idea that my wife was just days pregnant) and what the doctors told us was NOT good.

I've said it before, and I'll be saying it again - get rid of unwanted pregnancies and you get rid of abortion.

I know this was directed at Katz, but I'm not trying to change your mind, per se; as much as I'm trying to get you to access your belief in it's relation to your own faith if you call yourself Christian.

You can debate me all you want. I want you to picture yourself debating this issue with Jesus Christ. If you call yourself Christian, you should be able to do this.

(All the "you's" above are collective "you's; I'm not picking on you Buggy; just the subject matter at hand)

If we are to beleive: The soul exists prior to conception and after death.

Refrencing the soul is a strawman argument. IMHO

You said this better then I did. Thank you! My first comment was about being against abortions but not being willing to pony up to the plate with funding, etc. You did word it better then I did...

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Now theres a perfect answer, a question and solution all in one.
Thanks, great post.

I couldn't agree more djplong! I addressed teaching abstinence, if not in this thread, then another over this weekend. It was shot down by the arguement that they are going to have sex anyway so teach birth control and put condoms on bananas. I think that you have already expressed that birth control can fail and bring you to a rather difficult decision. I too can only say that half of my brood were "planned pregnancies", but I wouldn't change a thing!

Seems to me that to every argument there are two sides. In this case one side is for abortion and one side is against. If you pick up a clever slogan like pro-choice, that's just a cop-out. (wow been awhile since I heard that expression "cop-out")

Gives you the leeway to do whatever you want and the heck with the consequences. I was there before they came up with the Pro-Choice slogan.

It is either right or wrong to abort babies.

Richie,

As I have said more than a few times before, the posters on here that are no Pro-Choice have their beliefs and I, being a Pro-Choice advocate, have my beliefs. Neither will change the other's mind.

You say I can debate you all I want. I don't want to. My beliefs are mine. My religious views are mine. Can we just put this aside and agree that we disagree on this immovable issue for both of us. Thanks.

...oh...just checking to see if RichieLion got an answer yet...:laugh:

KatzPajamma: I love and respect your tenasity and golden heart on this issue.

RichieLion: I feel ya brother. You have added a third catagory (Christian Choice) to this issue.

Ladydoc: I have to say that you have great points and stated them very clear.

I believe personaly I would support KatzPajamma first. (PRO-Life)
I believe as a Methodist that Richielion is most accurate.(PRO-Christian)
I believe as a US Citizen, I must Vote Pro-Choice.

I was wondering why just about the only post of mine you have not responded to is the one where we were talking about following tenets of faith and you said you believed birth control was ok and implied you used it. I pointed out that although I agree with you, the Church says that is a no-no. My point was that a sin is a sin. Just because you don't like it and don't follow it does not give you a pass. So what are you going to say to Jesus about that one? That it is not as big a sin as abortion, so it's no big deal?
You are under no obligation to respond to anything I say, just wondering why THIS one was unanswered. Don't really need to answer it if you don't want to. But I just have to parrot you for a second REJECTED!!

Read every version of every bible you can find and send me a verse where Jesus Christ rejected birth control. It doesn't exist Ladydoc. Birth control mandates were set in place by fallible human beings, not the son of God.

The words of Jesus Christ plainly reveal his view of the unborn child, though. We need no one to interpret those words.

There's no need to get in my face during this discussion. I was not uncivil to anyone in the thread.

I can see by your reference that you read my posts in other threads, so thanks for holding onto my words. I appreciate it.

She got into my face with a PM and when I responded, she put me on her ignore list. Go figure, huh?

To quote Al Gore (I love to quote Al Gore):
"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.":laugh: