You are a wonderful example of how it should be, but you KNOW you are the exception. Unfortunately love does not conquer all....never has. I wish it did. If it did, most of my family would not have died in the ovens in Germany.

I guess this boils down to at what point you believe a cluster of cells has a soul....

I am truly sorry for what Nazi Germany did to your family and many others.
I do not KNOW myself to be the exception- there is a gigantic silent majority of which you apparently know anything about.
And YES, LOVE does conquer all. Hundreds of Christians died at the hands of the Nazi's because they chose to love and show love to their Jewish neighbors and friends. One of the results of which were getting many Jewish people, especially children smuggled to safe countries.
ALSO Millions of young men gave their lives as the ultimate sacrifice in WWII to stop the advance of the Third Reich. The same Third Reich that had at it's very beginnings legal and often forced abortion.

A cluster of cells that are alive and growing at a phenomenal rate...
We protect the endangered species of plants and animals that are around us. They are alive, but do they have souls?

You sound like a very nice lady (?); we just happen to be poles apart in our beliefs. Thank god we are in America, where this is OK and we can both say what we believe.

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Thank You, and I also thank God we are in America where WE can say what we believe. It will be even more free when the unborn babies are protected enough to be able to someday say what they believe too:icon_wink:

I am glad! By the way, did you or anyone else also hear that swishing sound as once again the subject being discussed gets swept under the rug?

I am not sweeping it under the rug...I am acknowledging that neither of us can say anything to influence what the other believes. So why prolong the discussion? I know your position. You know mine.

There you go, assuming again. If the discussion ends we will never know if either of us can influence what the other believes. Closed dialogs are often the last thing that happens before war breaks out.

Yea, and closed discussions is when someone puts another on the ignore list.:jester:

I know nothing you can say will change my mind and you really believe there is anything I could say to change yours? Come on...be honest. I think you want me to change my position. Not going to happen. I have heard it all for more then 30 years. Beliefs based in religion are very very difficult to change. I also learned a long time ago not to try to discuss such things with these folks. Maybe I did not learn it well enough since I engaged in a discussion with you. War breaking out? I am not going to war with you....lol.

Did you also happen to notice that you were the ONLY one to address the issue I brought up, which is what are you going to do to support these unwanted babies?

OH, so we haven't even gotten to the scientific evidence!...Pretty busy with some family things today, but will definitely try to address that asap! :laugh:

~http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/f...velopment.html


~(Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Biology)-life-"the state or quality that distinguishes living beings or organisms from dead ones and from inorganic matter, characterized chiefly by metabolism, growth, and the ability to reproduce and respond to stimuli." You might also consider one of the simple definitions in Webster's-life:c : an organismic state characterized by capacity for metabolism, growth, reaction to stimuli, and reproduction .
(Pretty sure that an unborn baby has us both beat on its rate of growth alone.)

~Abortion doctor faces 8 counts of murder...http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/201...nts-of-murder/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...701801_pf.html
http://afterabortion.org/2005/womens...ion-new-study/

Mom bleeds to death after abortion perforates her uterus...http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2009/...-abortion.html

It remains, that two wrongs do not make one right.


~Link to the documented scientific data of the horrific after effects on the woman who has chosen abortion...http://afterabortion.org/post-abortion-review-index/

Ladydoc,

It is no use to argue with Katz - as you can see. I tried telling her one time that I was not going to change my mind as a Pro-Choice person and I knew she would not change her mind and that should end it. Katz did not want to let it go and as you can see, she will just keep on going even though she should know our minds will not change from being Pro-Choice.