Other countries insist on safety devices which could have prevented this mess. We can't assume that companies will do the right thing, whether it's banking, oil, car manufacturing, mining, whatever. Government regulation is not "socialism." It protects all of us from the greed of companies whose only focus is the bottom line.

At least President Obama didn't say, "job well done Brownie," amid the devastation of New Orleans. As Americans, perhaps it is time for us to start pulling together to to come up with solutions to fix what needs fixing, rather than pulling apart, and finger pointing. Remember the old saying, "when you point your finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you."

Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna

Then President Bush shouldn't have promised what he wasn't sure he could deliver. Or he shouldn't have made premature promises for political purposes.

Remember his "victory speech" from the flight deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln eight years ago today? That was an earlier example of the President listening to his political advisors too much and making public pronouncements that were either premature or that he couldn't deliver on.

Having expressed that criticism, Bush wasn't responsible for the slow initial response to Katrina.

WOW....you really are in that "get Bush" crowd. What a stretch...you KNOW that he made "premature promises for political purposes."....I can only imagine what you think of, although you will NEVER crticize, of our current President and all of his many political promises not kept, NOR PROPOSED while his party controlled congress.

I know..I know...Bush bad...Obama good

Why is there drilling so far off shore and at record breaking depth with new technology? The answer isn't anything new. Government regulations. Dwight Eisenhower and Adlai Stevenson debated over states rights with ownership of of the Outer Continental Shelf along coastal states in the early 1950s. This was the "Tidelands Controversy."

Here is an interesting article, like me you may or may not agree with some of the editorial issues in it, but it helps explain the history of government involvement in offshore drilling and how politics has and does play a role.

http://hnn.us/articles/54465.html

Who has the greatest interest in safe drilling of oil? Is it the environment groups? Shareholders in the oil companies? The people who use the oil? Congress? No. It's the men working on the rigs whose lives are at stake. Unions can't protect people from doing something unsafe or careless no more than the government can.

If the system of courts and free enterprise works like it is suppose to, it is always in the best interest of a company to make money the safest way possible.

Does Murphy's law outplay the best intentioned regulations and safeguards. Absolutely. But the US Constitution has set up courts to oversee the course of action for any laws that are broken.

Just like advertiser for products are willing to pay millions to get their message out and sell their products; regardless of how useless or useful, they do it because they know it works. Just like rhetoric from political zombies works to brainwash the minds of Americans and blind us to the real issues. It makes for silly arguments that a President is to blame for a natural disaster or an explosion under the earth or even an oil rig accident. This only opens the door for special interests to propose more of their policies to their benefits.

Originally Posted by springfield

Other countries insist on safety devices which could have prevented this mess. We can't assume that companies will do the right thing, whether it's banking, oil, car manufacturing, mining, whatever. Government regulation is not "socialism." It protects all of us from the greed of companies whose only focus is the bottom line.

At least President Obama didn't say, "job well done Brownie," amid the devastation of New Orleans. As Americans, perhaps it is time for us to start pulling together to to come up with solutions to fix what needs fixing, rather than pulling apart, and finger pointing. Remember the old saying, "when you point your finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you."

We starting pulling together after 9-11. Guess which party started pulling us apart? You lefties can't just put the nation in constant turmoil for 8 years and then expect everybody to "pull together" because your now in office. YOu guys really have a nerve, Don't Cha?

Originally Posted by cashman

Are you Liberals now willing to give Bush the same consideration on his response to Katrina as you are to Obama on the oil spill.

Your no spin response would be appeciated.

Of course the Progressives are not going to compare this to their perceived slow "Bush response" to Katrina. In fact, I'm waiting for this oil spill to be attributed to Bush.

Bush flew over the Katrina devastation and was called callous for not meeting the people affected promptly. Obama will fly over this and be called "responsible" for lessening his "footprint" on the ground thereby not disrupting the response to this ecological disaster.

In any disaster that is too big for private interests to handle expeditiously to protect the greatest number of citizens the government agencies we fund for these purposes need to get involved in a timely matter. This did not happen here and it would be nice to know why. Of course, unlike the flogging of President Bush, it won't be attributed to any failure of the Executive Office by the mainstream drive-by media.

Originally Posted by Donna2

We starting pulling together after 9-11. Guess which party started pulling us apart? You lefties can't just put the nation in constant turmoil for 8 years and then expect everybody to "pull together" because your now in office. YOu guys really have a nerve, Don't Cha?

We call this revisionist history....Yes the country came together after 9/11 and then the lies started....Yellow Cake in *****, WMD in Iraq ....war protesters being tear gased. And you just point the finger and say "You lefties". We had the country in turmoil for 8 years you guys were in charge...I would use that last term loosely.

Talk about nerve...

Originally Posted by cologal

We call this revisionist history....Yes the country came together after 9/11 and then the lies started....Yellow Cake in *****, WMD in Iraq ....war protesters being tear gased. And you just point the finger and say "You lefties". We had the country in turmoil for 8 years you guys were in charge...I would use that last term loosely.

Talk about nerve...

If this oil spill had occurred under Bush, the headlines would be brutal right now, no? Funny this oil disaster happens a day before earth day.
I'm willing to bet that if Obama was president when Katrina hit, the media would have just claimed it was a natural disaster (it was) and let it go.
Every socialist leader knows what the press can do by printing lies every day. The lamestream media should be prosecuted for what they did to Bush the last 5 years. No matter how bad this incompetent buffoon in the White House screws up, he will be given a free pass by the so-called press. And you know it!!!!

Originally Posted by cologal

We call this revisionist history....Yes the country came together after 9/11 and then the lies started....Yellow Cake in *****, WMD in Iraq ....war protesters being tear gased. And you just point the finger and say "You lefties". We had the country in turmoil for 8 years you guys were in charge...I would use that last term loosely.

Talk about nerve...

I wonder how much Donna2 gets paid by Limbaugh & Hannity to perpetuate the lies they tell without any remorse. A closed mind fed only by these wingnuts is the surest road to ruining our democracy. That's why they're called dittoheads. Incapable of intellectual investigation or discourse, it's easier to just regurgitate the sound bites from the wingnut pundits.

Donna2 asked about the tea parties. Well dear, Google "Richard Armey- Tea Party Express" and see who's behind your "grass roots" movement- while there are truly millions who are upset about the state of our government and our treasury and our country- look to see who the elites are, and how much they are paying themselves, to set up a dummy movement.

Also, why are you guys so distraught whenever the fairness doctrine comes up about talk radio, but then scream bloody murder when the networks take a point of view that doesn;t represent your own? Sound like a double standard to me.

Just like Bobby Jindall suddenly calling out all the federal dollars he canget to protect his "state." Seems to me that he's calling for big "socialized" government to save his butt, even though he's criticized all that in the past.

Originally Posted by ptownrob

I wonder how much Donna2 gets paid by Limbaugh & Hannity to perpetuate the lies they tell without any remorse. A closed mind fed only by these wingnuts is the surest road to ruining our democracy. That's why they're called dittoheads. Incapable of intellectual investigation or discourse, it's easier to just regurgitate the sound bites from the wingnut pundits.

Donna2 asked about the tea parties. Well dear, Google "Richard Armey- Tea Party Express" and see who's behind your "grass roots" movement- while there are truly millions who are upset about the state of our government and our treasury and our country- look to see who the elites are, and how much they are paying themselves, to set up a dummy movement.

Also, why are you guys so distraught whenever the fairness doctrine comes up about talk radio, but then scream bloody murder when the networks take a point of view that doesn;t represent your own? Sound like a double standard to me.

Just like Bobby Jindall suddenly calling out all the federal dollars he canget to protect his "state." Seems to me that he's calling for big "socialized" government to save his butt, even though he's criticized all that in the past.

Google Soros and Albore and see what truth you blindly follow.

Liberal talk radio fails every time as nobody likes to listen to lies. We have that on all the major networks and newspapers.
If you want to ruin democracy, then vote democrat in November. Democracy is almost over the cliff. Obama and the Libdems are bringing us to bankruptcy.

You really need to read about facts instead of parroting your lamestream idols.

I don't blindly follow anyone. I gave you a source to find out about the Tea Party Express. What would you like to show me about Al Gore or George Soros. I'd happily read responsible criitical journalism.

I know they're not saints and I don't follow any of their movements, ala a "Tea Party Express" (I do support Greenpeace, but I have done that for 35 years-that was long before Al Gore even invented the internet!)

What is it about rightwingers' immaturity about needing to name call in childish taunts (Albore, lamestream, etc.). Churlish.

Originally Posted by Donna2

Google Soros and Albore and see what truth you blindly follow.

Liberal talk radio fails every time as nobody likes to listen to lies. We have that on all the major networks and newspapers.
If you want to ruin democracy, then vote democrat in November. Democracy is almost over the cliff. Obama and the Libdems are bringing us to bankruptcy.

You really need to read about facts instead of parroting your lamestream idols.

"A closed mind fed only by these wingnuts is the surest road to ruining our democracy." by ptownrob

With all due respect to you ptownrob, as much as people like George Soros would like to transform it, our great nation, America, is not a democracy. It is a republic. I too, like Donna, call upon Almighty God to set the course of this nation back on track. His will be done.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Originally Posted by springfield

Other countries insist on safety devices which could have prevented this mess. We can't assume that companies will do the right thing, whether it's banking, oil, car manufacturing, mining, whatever. Government regulation is not "socialism." It protects all of us from the greed of companies whose only focus is the bottom line.

At least President Obama didn't say, "job well done Brownie," amid the devastation of New Orleans. As Americans, perhaps it is time for us to start pulling together to to come up with solutions to fix what needs fixing, rather than pulling apart, and finger pointing. Remember the old saying, "when you point your finger at someone, there are three fingers pointing back at you."

Hear!! Hear!! Well said!

"Other countries insist on safety devices which could have prevented this mess." by springfield

Actually, two other countries. If you can't assume that companies will do the right thing, it is only logical to make the assumtion: We can assume that companies will do the right thing. Of course it is in their best interest to do the right thing.

"U.S. regulators don't mandate use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon, hired by oil giant BP PLC, didn't have one. With the remote control, a crew can attempt to trigger an underwater valve that shuts down the well even if the oil rig itself is damaged or evacuated.

"The efficacy of the devices is unclear. Major offshore oil-well blowouts are rare, and it remained unclear Wednesday evening whether acoustic switches have ever been put to the test in a real-world accident. When wells do surge out of control, the primary shut-off systems almost always work. Remote control systems such as the acoustic switch, which have been tested in simulations, are intended as a last resort."



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...417936798.html


Also: http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/co...1466-26364577/

I'd just like to repeat my previous post that didn't get a response. I'd like to see another opinion to learn a little more.:

Why is there drilling so far off shore and at record breaking depth with new technology? The answer isn't anything new. Government regulations. Dwight Eisenhower and Adlai Stevenson debated over states rights with ownership of of the Outer Continental Shelf along coastal states in the early 1950s. This was the "Tidelands Controversy."

Here is an interesting article, like me you may or may not agree with some of the editorial issues in it, but it helps explain the history of government involvement in offshore drilling and how politics has and does play a role.

http://hnn.us/articles/54465.html

Who has the greatest interest in safe drilling of oil? Is it the environment groups? Shareholders in the oil companies? The people who use the oil? Congress? No. It's the men working on the rigs whose lives are at stake. Unions can't protect people from doing something unsafe or careless no more than the government can.

If the system of courts and free enterprise works like it is suppose to, it is always in the best interest of a company to make money the safest way possible.

Does Murphy's law outplay the best intentioned regulations and safeguards. Absolutely. But the US Constitution has set up courts to oversee the course of action for any laws that are broken.

Just like advertiser for products are willing to pay millions to get their message out and sell their products; regardless of how useless or useful, they do it because they know it works. Just like rhetoric from political zombies works to brainwash the minds of Americans and blind us to the real issues. It makes for silly arguments that a President is to blame for a natural disaster or an explosion under the earth or even an oil rig accident. This only opens the door for special interests to propose more of their policies to their benefits.

The Liberal attitude is again clearly exposed. Liberals think the USA is inferior to other countries.

Why not leave our country if you do not like it.

Your distaste for the private sector is so obvious you would no doubt be happier in one of the great socialist countries.

increments...like this year, last year, the previous 8 years, and so on. Is it a coincindence those increments are party oriented?
And how many can only respond only in terms related to which party was in office and when.

History and it's accomplishments or not are really more complex than what party is in charge (at that moment).

Such narrow scopes of recall....a pity!!


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