Originally Posted by Guest

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 includes a section on Public Accommodation. As well as the ADA in 1990.

There was a good example of this principle earlier in this thread.

But here is the lawsuit explanation:BORNE vs. HAVERHILL GOLF & COUNTRY CLUB, INC., 58 Mass. App. Ct. 306

But in a nutshell if you own a business that serves the PUBLIC then you cannot refuse service to the public.

I was the OP for this subject matter that one poster described as me being "high and mighty"when my only purpose was to have civil discourse on an issue that strikes at the very fabric of our lives.

The assault on religious freedom/liberty fundamentally affects us all because despite your political views it is an affront and an intrusion by a government that slice by slice takes away all freedoms. Indeed government is clever on how they package such assaults.

One poster likened the gay issue with the black issue but they are nothing alike but they are packaged alike.

the problem with this entire civil rights issue and accommodation issue is people go overboard with it. Its one thing to say people have legal rights its quite another for the government to decide who should be more equal than others.

The civil rights act went over board with its affirmative action program forced integration. the gay issue has gone so over board they are pushing their life style as preferred. The elimination of gender nouns, homosexual acts abound on prime time TV intentionally as a means of normalization and socialization/ Young kids coming of age are vulnerable to these suggestions depicting gay sex as cool and exciting

I had to deal with public accommodation affirmative action etc and what I found were unreasonable demands by people and government

I believe in live let live but in today's America the abnormal are defining the new normal and in my humble view its not working out very well. so the last bastion of traditional normal is Christianity meaning religious beliefs of nuclear family as the basis of a society and all that flows from it and that threatens the new normal

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

I was the OP for this subject matter that one poster described as me being "high and mighty"when my only purpose was to have civil discourse on an issue that strikes at the very fabric of our lives.

The assault on religious freedom/liberty fundamentally affects us all because despite your political views it is an affront and an intrusion by a government that slice by slice takes away all freedoms. Indeed government is clever on how they package such assaults.

One poster likened the gay issue with the black issue but they are nothing alike but they are packaged alike.

the problem with this entire civil rights issue and accommodation issue is people go overboard with it. Its one thing to say people have legal rights its quite another for the government to decide who should be more equal than others.

The civil rights act went over board with its affirmative action program forced integration. the gay issue has gone so over board they are pushing their life style as preferred. The elimination of gender nouns, homosexual acts abound on prime time TV intentionally as a means of normalization and socialization/ Young kids coming of age are vulnerable to these suggestions depicting gay sex as cool and exciting

I had to deal with public accommodation affirmative action etc and what I found were unreasonable demands by people and government

I believe in live let live but in today's America the abnormal are defining the new normal and in my humble view its not working out very well. so the last bastion of traditional normal is Christianity meaning religious beliefs of nuclear family as the basis of a society and all that flows from it and that threatens the new normal

Personal Best Regards:

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The left declares business owners who desire to abide by their personal and religious beliefs as criminals inflicting monetary fines and jail time. Isn't this what totalitarian states do? The left orchestrates boycotts to punish businesses that refute their agenda.

The left with an agenda of contempt, revenge and retribution demanding subordination of those that disagree with them and eschew reasonable requests for coming to a reasonable agreement on many issues.

Indeed Senator (D) Whitehouse move to declare climate change dissenters as criminals who must be indicted under the RICO act is one of a myraid of example. He has caught the ear of Obama and Obama's DOJ

This issue alone is more important than the noise coming from media about this election but continues to get pushed aside by the left because there is a thin veneer between the truth and the continue farce they heave at society.

Lefties are clever and artful dodger. Look at their mentors the Clintons, Obama, Schummer, Pelosi, Reid Dodd, Frank, the Senator? from Harlem that should be in jail for tax evasion , Sharpton,.........I better sop not enough room to finish the list of lefties

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Originally Posted by Guest

The left declares business owners who desire to abide by their personal and religious beliefs as criminals inflicting monetary fines and jail time. Isn't this what totalitarian states do? The left orchestrates boycotts to punish businesses that refute their agenda.

The left with an agenda of contempt, revenge and retribution demanding subordination of those that disagree with them and eschew reasonable requests for coming to a reasonable agreement on many issues.

Indeed Senator (D) Whitehouse move to declare climate change dissenters as criminals who must be indicted under the RICO act is one of a myraid of example. He has caught the ear of Obama and Obama's DOJ

This issue alone is more important than the noise coming from media about this election but continues to get pushed aside by the left because there is a thin veneer between the truth and the continue farce they heave at society.

Lefties are clever and artful dodger. Look at their mentors the Clintons, Obama, Schummer, Pelosi, Reid Dodd, Frank, the Senator? from Harlem that should be in jail for tax evasion , Sharpton,.........I better sop not enough room to finish the list of lefties

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Took it out for political reasons. No "discovery", no reason other than pressure. Blackmail is my guess.

The 50s was the peak for this nation morally and socially. We've been on a steady slide towards 3rd worldism since. Minority children are the next baby boom, they'll change everything as the baby boomers did, NOT for the better...believe me.

And the whole "gay thing". You have a same sex fetish. Unfortunately, you suffered a developmental birth defect. I'm sorry. I'll never condone your deviance. I find the thought of same sex sex revolting. But you have to keep throwing it in my face. We'll all be dead in another 30 years, you've brainwashed the kids to accept all kinds of "diversity". You got your way. Congratulations.



That's just a BS law made by politicians who steal from taxpayers and take graft for a living. A law doesn't make it "right". If I have a business, I should be able to choose my customer just as a customer can/doesn't choose me. You can think what you want, but to me a business owner doesn't become a slave with no choice when he hangs an open sign. And that's what you want. YOU get all the choices...they have to obey.

I personally have NEVER thrown anything IN YOUR FACE!

I make every attempt in my life to follow the laws in this country. If you don't then you are anarchist. The Republican party can't govern even with control of both the House and the Senate. You seem to hate everything!

Originally Posted by Guest

I personally have NEVER thrown anything IN YOUR FACE!

I make every attempt in my life to follow the laws in this country. If you don't then you are anarchist. The Republican party can't govern even with control of both the House and the Senate. You seem to hate everything!

So, ALL Republicans "hate everything?" How does that sound to you? Does that sound normal to you? If I said ALL Democrats are liberal, or communists, would you agree with me? I am not the one that you are responding to, but you included me in your generalizing of Republicans.

I agree with NC.

I believe that if you have male plumbing you must use the male restroom and same with female plumbing using female restrooms. If you are gender confused, look down. If you can stand up to urinate, then you use the male restroom.

I believe that if you own a bakery, you should sell your cakes to gays, period. I do not believe that the gov should mandate that you go against your religion and provide a gay themed cake or cater to a gay wedding if that is against your faith. I think that is taking it too far with gov mandate. If I owned a store with a magazine stand, I would not sell porno. Would I be sued for that? But, I would sell my products to the abnormal. If I refused to sell gay magazines, could I be sued, or would I be sued?

I believe that if I owned a bakery and posted a sign that stated that all are welcome in my store but I refuse to bake deviant themed cakes or cater to a gay wedding, no one would be able to sue me. If so, then I bet I could beat it in court.

Originally Posted by Guest

So, ALL Republicans "hate everything?" How does that sound to you? Does that sound normal to you? If I said ALL Democrats are liberal, or communists, would you agree with me? I am not the one that you are responding to, but you included me in your generalizing of Republicans.

I have, on this site, been continually called a libtard even though I am a moderate. I said that once, then came the post saying "There are no Moderate Democrats."

So I am sorry my post offended you! I will correct my statement:

Given the verbal combat on this site, the inability of the Republican congress to pass anything, the amount of anger at Trump rallies, including violence....it would appear that some Republicans have anger issues.

Originally Posted by Guest

I agree with NC.

I believe that if you have male plumbing you must use the male restroom and same with female plumbing using female restrooms. If you are gender confused, look down. If you can stand up to urinate, then you use the male restroom.

I believe that if you own a bakery, you should sell your cakes to gays, period. I do not believe that the gov should mandate that you go against your religion and provide a gay themed cake or cater to a gay wedding if that is against your faith. I think that is taking it too far with gov mandate. If I owned a store with a magazine stand, I would not sell porno. Would I be sued for that? But, I would sell my products to the abnormal. If I refused to sell gay magazines, could I be sued, or would I be sued?

I believe that if I owned a bakery and posted a sign that stated that all are welcome in my store but I refuse to bake deviant themed cakes or cater to a gay wedding, no one would be able to sue me. If so, then I bet I could beat it in court.

That one has already gone to court:

Oregon bakery owners pay more than $135G in damages over refusal to make cake for gay wedding | Fox News

Originally Posted by Guest

I was the OP for this subject matter that one poster described as me being "high and mighty"when my only purpose was to have civil discourse on an issue that strikes at the very fabric of our lives.

The assault on religious freedom/liberty fundamentally affects us all because despite your political views it is an affront and an intrusion by a government that slice by slice takes away all freedoms. Indeed government is clever on how they package such assaults.

One poster likened the gay issue with the black issue but they are nothing alike but they are packaged alike.

the problem with this entire civil rights issue and accommodation issue is people go overboard with it. Its one thing to say people have legal rights its quite another for the government to decide who should be more equal than others.

The civil rights act went over board with its affirmative action program forced integration. the gay issue has gone so over board they are pushing their life style as preferred. The elimination of gender nouns, homosexual acts abound on prime time TV intentionally as a means of normalization and socialization/ Young kids coming of age are vulnerable to these suggestions depicting gay sex as cool and exciting

I had to deal with public accommodation affirmative action etc and what I found were unreasonable demands by people and government

I believe in live let live but in today's America the abnormal are defining the new normal and in my humble view its not working out very well. so the last bastion of traditional normal is Christianity meaning religious beliefs of nuclear family as the basis of a society and all that flows from it and that threatens the new normal

Personal Best Regards:

This is the definition of a nuclear family:

nu·cle·ar fam·i·ly
noun
a couple and their dependent children, regarded as a basic social unit.

You have the right to freedom of religion and we have the right to freedom from YOUR religion. The Constitution also says the will be NO establishment of religion.

Originally Posted by Guest

I personally have NEVER thrown anything IN YOUR FACE!

I make every attempt in my life to follow the laws in this country. If you don't then you are anarchist. The Republican party can't govern even with control of both the House and the Senate. You seem to hate everything!

If you've been gay, having gay sex, you didn't follow the laws. States had laws against perversion, sodomy, homosexuality, etc. You didn't make EVERY attempt to follow the laws. You're a relativist, like everyone else. You pick and choose what laws you'll obey. I'm a relativist.

The gay community at large throws "gayness" in our face. Are we 10 having a discussion next to the swings? That's the trouble with "you groups" who want to change things. You're dishonest. You deceive. You lie to get your way. You blackmail. It belongs in the DSM.

Originally Posted by Guest

I believe that if I owned a bakery and posted a sign that stated that all are welcome in my store but I refuse to bake deviant themed cakes or cater to a gay wedding, no one would be able to sue me. If so, then I bet I could beat it in court.

The linked article from Fox did not make any mention of the wedding cake being a deviant design but just the bakery owners refused service to a lesbian couple.

I totally agree you would not be in legal jeopardy if you would not bake a cake in the shape of a sexual organ. If the couple provided a miniature couple of the same sex for a cake topper, would that be any big issue? No. Or the baker could just request they put the topper on themselves. No problem.

Issues can always be worked out by reasonable people!

Originally Posted by Guest

If you've been gay, having gay sex, you didn't follow the laws. States had laws against perversion, sodomy, homosexuality, etc. You didn't make EVERY attempt to follow the laws. You're a relativist, like everyone else. You pick and choose what laws you'll obey. I'm a relativist.

The gay community at large throws "gayness" in our face. Are we 10 having a discussion next to the swings? That's the trouble with "you groups" who want to change things. You're dishonest. You deceive. You lie to get your way. You blackmail. It belongs in the DSM.

Yes and all of them have struck down but the Supreme Court. Perhaps you missed this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

This is the definition of Sodomy....

Sodomy typically includes anal sex, oral sex and bestiality.

So the bottom line is if your wife and yourself ever engaged in oral sex you broke these laws as well!

Originally Posted by Guest

Yes and all of them have struck down but the Supreme Court. Perhaps you missed this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas

This is the definition of Sodomy....

Sodomy typically includes anal sex, oral sex and bestiality.

So the bottom line is if your wife and yourself ever engaged in oral sex you broke these laws as well!

I doubt that his wife and he paraded it about in the streets though. Don't you think that your deviant nature would be tolerated a bit easier if the abnormal behavior wasn't shoved in everyone's faces. I preferred not to view the 50 Shades of Gray movie also, and it wasn't forced on me.

Originally Posted by Guest

The linked article from Fox did not make any mention of the wedding cake being a deviant design but just the bakery owners refused service to a lesbian couple.

I totally agree you would not be in legal jeopardy if you would not bake a cake in the shape of a sexual organ. If the couple provided a miniature couple of the same sex for a cake topper, would that be any big issue? No. Or the baker could just request they put the topper on themselves. No problem.

Issues can always be worked out by reasonable people!

To be honest with you, I am not sure of the circumstances of the court case. However, I was under the impression that they refused to cater to the gay wedding and refused to make the gay wedding cake. Selling to gays wasn't the issue, as I recall from the version that I got.