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Old 07-13-2012, 12:20 PM
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Yet another executive order side stepping congress, he removes work requirements. The law Bill Clinton signed was specifically written to keep that from happening. But he did it anyway.

King Obama does it again.
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Old 07-13-2012, 12:28 PM
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One has to wonder what Obama real agenda is given that he governs by fiat and has more than doubled the number of czars that report to him. I believe that two things need to change in Washington. 1) an elimination of czars and 2) if a president claims executive priviledge he /she must do so providing in what manner executive priviledge is necessary...enough information to saisify a neutral that it would place the country in peril
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:42 PM
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This man is out of control totally. He is fulfilling all the things that I, not just me, predicted would happen if he were elected in 2008. This is like a nightmare...the man is running this country as if here were a king instead of a president and simply doing them in the name of this election year. We all know that he lies and now he reduces himself and the office to stuff like this.

This is Obama in all his glory...this is how he managed to be successful neighborhood organizer..he simply did what he wanted and dared you to stop him....in your face all the time if you dare challenge him.

I could cut and paste my remarks from 2008 on this forum. He has now gone over the edge. And he does it IN YOU FACE....YOU CANT STOP ME..that is and has been his attitude about congress, including the Democrats, since he came into office. He is simply pandering now and the h#$$ with the country...he wants and needs votes and will do whatever is necessary. I recall reading in the Chicago Tribune archives of what they called, and I will skip the word used as a preamable, .....tactics. This was before and while he was running for state senate.
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:47 PM
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Yet another executive order side stepping congress, he removes work requirements. The law Bill Clinton signed was specifically written to keep that from happening. But he did it anyway.

King Obama does it again.
Which Executive Order was this and when was it signed? I could not find it on the recent ones signed.
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:52 PM
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Which Executive Order was this and when was it signed? I could not find it on the recent ones signed.
"Obama Ends Welfare Reform As We Know It
By Robert Rector & Katherine Bradley
July 12, 2012 7:00 P.M.
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This afternoon, President Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) released an official policy directive undermining the welfare reform law of 1996. The new policy guts the federal work requirements that have been the foundation of that law — one of the most successful domestic policy reforms in the 20th century.

Welfare reform replaced the old Aid to Families with Dependent Children with a new program, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). The underlying concept of welfare reform was that able-bodied adults should be required to work or prepare for work as a condition of receiving welfare aid.


Obama Ends Welfare Reform As We Know It - By Robert Rector & Katherine Bradley - The Corner - National Review Online

Not just this one but the ongoing barrage of these to pander votes and increase our debt
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Old 07-13-2012, 01:58 PM
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"In the past, state bureaucrats have attempted to define activities such as hula dancing, attending Weight Watchers, and bed rest as “work.” Welfare reform instituted work standards to block these dodges. Now that the Obama administration has abolished those standards, we can expect “work” in the TANF program to mean anything but work.

Obama’s new welfare decree guts sound anti-poverty policy. The administration tramples on the actual legislation passed by Congress and seeks to impose its own policy choices — a pattern that has become all too common in this administration."


Obama Ends Welfare Reform As We Know It - By Robert Rector & Katherine Bradley - The Corner - National Review Online
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:01 PM
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Even though Clinton had to be pulled kicking and screaming to sign the welfare reform bill, it became one of his big bragging points. I wonder how he feels about Obama gutting it?
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:07 PM
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Changes to the law give states extra flexibility - flexibility the the states themselves have asked the federal government for. Not exactly what you would call 'gutting the law'.


Obama administration defends welfare changes - POLITICO.com
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:08 PM
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It's true Buggy. Is it sticking in your craw? It made my decision for me on which way to go come November. Enough is enough.
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:27 PM
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Even though Clinton had to be pulled kicking and screaming to sign the welfare reform bill, it became one of his big bragging points. I wonder how he feels about Obama gutting it?
It has been hailed for years as a great example of working together for the common good....Clinton and a Republican congress.

The guts and basic tenant was the work clause which he now has gotten rid of with an obscure clause.

Do you not wonder why all of this is happening in an election year ? All these "needed" things...these "right things to do" JUST NOW BECAME SO...the last 3 years they were fine ?
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:29 PM
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He is for sure trying to insure the vote of those who will not work.
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:44 PM
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probably because there's no work to be had! i was roundly criticized on another thread because i called generational welfare slavery...well, this is certainly not going to help recipients better themselves!
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These wubers only read the headline but not the material inside the information.

Does this sound like "gutting" to you?



"When the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) program was established as part of welfare reform in the 1990s, it was intended to give states flexibility to design effective programs to help parents move from welfare to work. Today, however, Federal rules dictate mind-numbing details about how to run a welfare-to-work program. Most States and experts agree that these aren’t helpful. Here’s one example: under current TANF rules, many states report that their caseworkers are spending more time complying with federal documentation requirements than helping parents find jobs. We need state workers spending less time filling out data reports and more time helping parents find employment.

The new policy we announced will allow states to test new, more effective ways to help parents successfully prepare for, find, and retain employment. States can apply for waivers of federal requirements that get in their way. These waiver applications will be available for public review.

This new flexibility will strengthen welfare reform rules and the effectiveness of state efforts to connect families with work. Waivers that weaken or undercut welfare reform will not be approved. Waivers that seek to avoid time limits or other federal restrictions on when assistance may be provided will not be approved."


In short, wubers, it gives more power to the States - which is what all of you are saying what should be done.
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Old 07-13-2012, 10:49 PM
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it is pretty simple to understand that he has waived the requirement for those on welfare to get a job.

Now they do not have to....just collect welfare from now on and get in line right behind all the folks getting un-employment for as long as he has been in office. There are two groups for sure that might vote for him if there are any voters in those groups.

Increasing food stamp rolls......

just what is the incentive under Obama to help one's self? There is none!

OK supporters tell me why it is OK to keep increasing the give aways. Are you prepared to have your income reduced to provide for those who will not work?

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Old 07-14-2012, 07:07 AM
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These wubers only read the headline but not the material inside the information.

Does this sound like "gutting" to you?



"When the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) program was established as part of welfare reform in the 1990s, it was intended to give states flexibility to design effective programs to help parents move from welfare to work. Today, however, Federal rules dictate mind-numbing details about how to run a welfare-to-work program. Most States and experts agree that these aren’t helpful. Here’s one example: under current TANF rules, many states report that their caseworkers are spending more time complying with federal documentation requirements than helping parents find jobs. We need state workers spending less time filling out data reports and more time helping parents find employment.

The new policy we announced will allow states to test new, more effective ways to help parents successfully prepare for, find, and retain employment. States can apply for waivers of federal requirements that get in their way. These waiver applications will be available for public review.

This new flexibility will strengthen welfare reform rules and the effectiveness of state efforts to connect families with work. Waivers that weaken or undercut welfare reform will not be approved. Waivers that seek to avoid time limits or other federal restrictions on when assistance may be provided will not be approved."


In short, wubers, it gives more power to the States - which is what all of you are saying what should be done.
To reply to your question directly...YES, it sounds like total gutting of the entire principle involved in the bill. The WH response you quote is so general and leads you to believe this will create jobs or somehing. It will allow more flexibility for sure.....
 


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