It has tripled since Bush took office, doubling during Bush's term.

Let's do some rounding 11.9 trillion round it to 12 trillion. So, 12 trillion times 2 is 24 trillion. 18 trillion plus 2 is 20 trillion. I could be wrong, but it looks like 4 trillion more would have to be added for the national debt to double under Obama. Do you have any other math problems for me?

Concerning the national debt, look what "W" was handed in first year. Then, look at what Obama was handed in first year. It is night, and day.

The two, or three, if you include the great recession, major items that contributed to national debt increase under "W" were the Iraq/Afgan wars, huge tax reduction, mostly to top wage earners, and the great recession. Obama inherited two of the three. The ACA has added to the National debt. Over 50% of the debt increase was a direct result of what Obama was handed.

This is not the blame game. Programs, that were in effect before each president was elected, added to the national debt. You can't place the blame on them for that. Neither did any of "W's" or Obama's policies create the great recession.

If all you want to do is demean Obama, be my guest.

Not true. It doubled during Bush's terms, with 2nd term Dem controlled congress and then it will double again during Obama's terms, with Dem controlled first term and tyrant controlled second term.

During Bush's terms, the Avg yearly increase in national debt was in the billions, not trillions. During Obama's terms, the national debt will average over a trillion per year.

The only time in Bush's two terms where the debt went up a trillion bucks was in 2008. And it might be added, that congress was controlled by Dems since 2007. Never in Obama's terms did the yearly national debt increase go below a trillion.

You can scream about unfunded wars during Bush, but the fact remains that even then the national debt per year was below a trillion until 2008.
Obama had complete control of congress for two whole years, and was not able to get a handle on the debt problem, increasing the ceiling every year against advice from Republicans and economists.

I got my figures from TreasuryDirect.gov if anyone wishes to verify my information. If you want to see who controlled congress during those years considered, I used Wikipedia. I took into consideration the fiscal year, not the actual years of office, because of the protests posted by Obamanites on here.

To summarize, Bush did double the national debt. But, not one year of Bush's two terms increased by a trillion dollars, except until fiscal year 2008. Dem's controlled congress from 2007 on.
Obama has never had a year of national debt less than a trillion dollars and won't. Regardless of excuses, congress as well as the white house was totally controlled by Dem's for the first two years of his first term. He was advised not to increase the debt loan ceiling by the GOP as well as the economists but did so with threats and slurs. Since Obama's reign, the GDP has tanked and stagnated. This is the longest recession/depression recovery in history, that's due to poor management by this administration.

We have the most people that have left the work force
We have the highest amount of people on food stamps
Unemployment benefits were extended for over a year
The most workers that have retired early
House sales lowest in decades

On top of all this Obama has ruined our foreign policy
He has racially divided this country worst than any previous president in history.
He has used his power to prevent immigration laws from being enforced
Not to mention what he has done as far as shredding the constitution.

I wonder where you learned your math. See the post above for the actual information linked to a gov website. Your magical math doesn't compute. You must be using some of that new modern math.

Kind of hard for Obama to work the figures when he never had a budget to work with. The only president to go through a whole term without a budget.

Obama doesn't need any help at being "demeaned." The facts do it for him, without anyone's help. All the facts and evidence condemns him. Obama's debt by year, is double what Bush's was until 2008. The facts are rather blatant.

This has pretty much been the case with every political forum that I've ever been on. It's terrible.

I didn't think I've ever agree with Bernie Sanders on anything but he's right on the money when he said,

The politicians and especially, the media, have us all simply trying to defend "our side". Broadcasters like Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow have made a fortune by demonizing the people that they don't agree with.

If you watched the CNN debate you heard that the purpose of most of the questions was not to get information about ideas, plans and philosophies, but rather to get the candidates fighting with one another.

The whole election process in this country is shot to hell.

We can all agree that such a huge debt is not good for America.
We can all agree that no matter what it was under which administration trying to assign blame (an Obama trend) does nothing to reduce the debt.

The real question for those who are Obama supporters is what has the debt done during Obama's term?

We know it has not gone down, so exactly what is it Obama has done that will put the national debt in a downward/reduction trend.

No blame allowed. It solves nothing except copping out allowed by the uninformed.

Take your time assembling the list of actions (:D).

Running up a huge debt is just once more element of Obama's strategy to "transform" (transgender?) America. Making us go bust works quite nicely. Plus, it enables him to turn the turdpile over to his successor, while he's out playing golf.

My intention was not to demean Obama. Just sick of everything being blamed on him. I figured someone would try to blame the wildfires on Obama.

Actually, to give him credit, Obama does a GREAT job of demeaning himself pretty much every time he opens his mouth or makes another foreign policy misfire.

Let's be fair about this ...

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I have yet to read or see anything that Obama has done in the last six years, or possibly in his whole life to further the American dream of peace and freedom, or anything else positive about the American way. He has always been negative and demeaning toward the best in society or anyone that doesn't agree with him. He has never shown any indication in six years that he understands or emulates his powerful position. He always appears to be angry and divisive, as well as negative. He blames everyone else and never takes credit for his mistakes. He is a disappointment and disgrace to the position of president of the best and most powerful country in the world, and an embarrassment.

Wow (in the words of the OP), the posters here are just amazingly negative and really an embarassment to our community.

Someone has no reason to be negative about absolutely everything done by this Administration.

When Hillary gets to be President in 2017, these posters will either have a stroke or just spend the next 8 years with heads spinning and writing diatribes on Political Forum.

Is this post in lieu of sharing all the good he has accomplished, or debating those being criticized ?

Well said and I agree. Negative, negative, negative.

And I was always embarrassed by Bush.....a disgrace to the position president. "You've done a heck of a job Brownie".

That is a description of the six years of Nixon.

Nice try, but Nixon is not the current president, and not even alive. Obama is the a disgrace, period.

And at least Nixon had accomplishments, and I am not referring to Watergate.

Are you attempting to be satiric? Hilary president? Ha, ha, ha, ha, good one!

See post #93 --- Says it all.

Nixon could only have wet dreams about what Obie has actually done in terms of breaking the law

Well, he did establish the Environmental Protection Agency and open diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China.

And Obama has accomplished.....??? Sorry about putting you on the spot. I can't find anything that he has done either.

Can you back that up with facts and links?

Take your pick of sources on the subject of not enforcing illegal immigration laws.
And while you are at it check out the legality of providing benefits to the illegals.

You want a link to facts on Nixon's dreams? That may be difficult.

Fast and Furious could be another example.

You and I both know there are plenty of examples to back this up with.

The most obvious is Obie's use of the IRS to actually, and successfully, target his political enemies. Nixon always lusted for ways to do that but could never pull it off.

You can do your own research ... I don't have time to do it for you but I realize liberals prefer that approach

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I doubt if you could research anything. You are definitely IGNORANT. :boom: :popcorn:

Normally, I'm adamantly opposed to abortion but, in your case, I have to admit your Mother made a mistake.

I would almost support abortions, IF we could give postnatal abortions to liberals. Ta Daaaa!!

Like the OP said "WOW!"

Just joking. I have family that are liberals and I love to kid them. I practice on them before using my material on here. Hey, liberals are brother and sister Americans, and they can't help it is they are misguided. I've come here to present them with a key to salvation. Eventually, all folks grow up and become conservatives. Except some really dense ones like Sanders.

You check it out. You're the one who made the a statement. There are no benefits being paid to illegals, not social Security and not medicare or Medicaid. You can check that out on factcheck.org. Tell me exactly which laws Obama broke!

Too many to list. He has also defied the supreme court on several issues, one of them being the ban on drilling oil in the golf. Are you going to deny that?

And who said "benefits" were limited to the ones the opposition always like to quote.
So fact checking may confirm those listed above. What about the BENEFITS being paid that are not labeled under those programs.
Where is the cost of the food, shelter, clothes, shoes, etc hidden?
Where is the cost burden on the communities that these illegals are inundating for schools, housing, etc.

If ANYBODY thinks there are no benefits being paid to and for and as a result of the illegals tsunami into our country....THEY need to wake up.

At some point one has to face reality regardless what the party line and talking points say!!

Yes, those terrible things like food, shelter, clothing, shoes, etc.

Talk to your priest or minister and see if they agree with you.

The subject is the cost. Too bad you missed it!