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Guest 09-17-2015 03:20 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115548)
I think I hear crickets...........

Yes...the poster to whom I replied with questions came on here and vilified all the posters except himself in post #22.

He simply makes up what he wants and then calls out people for not presenting facts.

I will have another sit of questions for him when and if he responds to this first group, all of them asking for links and validation. Many of us do that. He NEVER does.

But from now on, he will be challenged.

Guest 09-17-2015 05:25 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115434)
Reads quite like a fantasy novel. You have a very interesting imagination. If not for so many false statements, it would almost be a bit believable. Sorry, but if all liberals believe your post, then we have a lot of imbeciles in our country.

I backed everyone of those factual statements on Factcheck.org. It is you who is delusional. I am not an imbecile and I can tie my shoes I assure you. Republicans have big mouths and get very personal. Democrats don't speak up enough.

Guest 09-17-2015 05:26 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115548)
I think I hear crickets...........

I told you where to find the backup on those facts....... factcheck.org

Guest 09-17-2015 05:34 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115318)
You are the person that does everything that you are accusing me of, and then some. That is a little more than ironic. You had better take a good look at my posts, because it appears that you have a very selective memory. If I goggle something, I cut, and paste the article here. The comment made by McCain's man, it was made on Morning Joe on MSNBC this week. You know the station you never watch.

You are damn right I brought Colin Powell. You would think that an open minded person, which some here profess to be, would be interested in what a former REPUBLICAN SECRETARY OF STATE had to say about the Iranian agreement especially one that a lot to do with what is going on in the middle east now. I couldn't have been any more wrong. What turned Colin Powell into the devil? If you think that it didn't have anything to do with race, answer the question?

I am going to answer a question with a question. You tell me one thing that you have said that doesn't criticize the Democratic party, and in particular Obama. On this board, how could I possibly add anything to the mountain of total nonsense that has been directed at the Democratic party by the all knowing, all seeing people that post here?

As far as the Iran deal is concerned, all you ever hear from Republicans is "if this", "if that", "when they get a nuclear bomb", "when they cheat". " we are selling Israel out". Who the hell wants to answer a never ending bunch of hypotheticals from people, who have never seen the deal? These same people are getting their information from the Republicans in Congress, who were against it without even seeing the deal. The only station that they watch is Fox News, which is the Republican Broadcasting System.

Why would say that people here don't know that other countries were involved in the Iran agreement? Are you kidding me? Maybe because you have dismissed every other country, and the UN in this deal as having other alternative motives other than stopping Iran from getting a nuclear bomb, which was the reason for the sanctions, and the talks.

Take a look at this video ... it will make you feel better.

Iran Side Effects

Guest 09-17-2015 05:36 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115638)
I backed everyone of those factual statements on Factcheck.org. It is you who is delusional. I am not an imbecile and I can tie my shoes I assure you. Republicans have big mouths and get very personal. Democrats don't speak up enough.

Actually Democrats speak all the time ... a lot of them always seem to have pent up rage. Hmmm, sound familiar?

Guest 09-17-2015 05:44 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115498)
Total BS!

Here's some examples that tell a different story:

My insurance premium went up 43% since 2009. I doubt my story is isolated.

Home ownership has dropped by 3.2 percentage points, to the lowest point in nearly 20 years. = FactCheck.org

Long term unemployed 86,000 more than when Obama entered office = Factcheck.org

Debt held by public 106%

Food stamps up 70% under Obama = Washington Times [45% higher than when Obama was sworn in = Factcheck.org] Either number is too much.

More blacks unemployed since Obama
More black babies aborted last year than born

More of population at poverty level since Obama

EGP so low its stagnant.

National debt will be double what it was when Obama was sworn in by the time he leaves office. It took 40 presidents to accumulate as much debt as Obama has in two terms. By the way, we haven't paid down on the national debt since Eisenhower.

You want facts but your facts are incorrect. There are no facts that say home owners insurance is up. There are a list of facts on factcheck.org that dispute your "Facts". Go to Obama’s Numbers (April 2015 Update)

Guest 09-17-2015 05:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115657)
You want facts but your facts are incorrect. There are no facts that say home owners insurance is up. There are a list of facts on factcheck.org that dispute your "Facts". Go to Obama’s Numbers (April 2015 Update)

Is the premium incres over the last three years fact enough?

Check your neigbors not the talking points bulletin!

Guest 09-17-2015 05:56 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115657)
You want facts but your facts are incorrect. There are no facts that say home owners insurance is up. There are a list of facts on factcheck.org that dispute your "Facts". Go to Obama’s Numbers (April 2015 Update)

I went back and read the post, but darn if I can find anywhere in it where it said "HOME OWNERS INSURANCE" is up. Please correct me if I am wrong. Methinks there may be a bat in yous belfry. :MOJE_whot:

Guest 09-17-2015 05:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115641)
I told you where to find the backup on those facts....... factcheck.org

Sorry it just does not work that way.

You do not get to come on here and just make accusations and say you saw it on TV.

Lets start with just ONE of your accusations and we can work through them one at a time.

"."the auto industry which George Bush's presidency had led to ruin, almost bankruptcy. "

THAT is your quote and your accusations. Back it up somehow...tell us how. YOU cannot just make statements like that.

Now, hoping you can do two things at a time. I asked you to read about the CRC act and how it affected the banking industry crisis. DID YOU READ IT ?

Or, are you going to continue your ranting and raving with nothing to back anything up.

Oh and fair warning...links from either the right or left side of the aisle..you know the links all over the internet that support ONLY one side or another.....Read the Economist, a bit liberal but pretty good stuff there. The Wall St Journal, and those type of links.

PLEASE stop making any accusations until you back up what you have already posted. You are mouthing the old wives tales from political sites and politicians that have nothing to do with facts.

Guest 09-17-2015 05:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115657)
You want facts but your facts are incorrect. There are no facts that say home owners insurance is up. There are a list of facts on factcheck.org that dispute your "Facts". Go to Obama’s Numbers (April 2015 Update)

Health Insurance. Sorry if I didn't spell it out for you. You know, Obamacare that everyone has been fighting about for the past six years?

Guest 09-17-2015 06:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115669)
Sorry it just does not work that way.

You do not get to come on here and just make accusations and say you saw it on TV.

Lets start with just ONE of your accusations and we can work through them one at a time.

"."the auto industry which George Bush's presidency had led to ruin, almost bankruptcy. "

THAT is your quote and your accusations. Back it up somehow...tell us how. YOU cannot just make statements like that.

Now, hoping you can do two things at a time. I asked you to read about the CRC act and how it affected the banking industry crisis. DID YOU READ IT ?

Or, are you going to continue your ranting and raving with nothing to back anything up.

Oh and fair warning...links from either the right or left side of the aisle..you know the links all over the internet that support ONLY one side or another.....Read the Economist, a bit liberal but pretty good stuff there. The Wall St Journal, and those type of links.

PLEASE stop making any accusations until you back up what you have already posted. You are mouthing the old wives tales from political sites and politicians that have nothing to do with facts.

It's amazing how they disappear into mystic vapors when you ask them to qualify their statements. Liberals are so used to someone else doing their work for them, that their heads explode when you put them on the spot to answer a legitimate question or two. Perhaps Huffington Post needs a better search function?

Guest 09-17-2015 06:24 PM

This is addressed to the poster who continually posts taking aim at anything and everything that is Republican, even though he "throws a bone" at them every once in awhile on something non committal.

He constantly and without end backs whatever our President does or does not do. It appears to him that the man does no wrong.

I have asked him about one of the accusations with no response. The one where he said that President Bush brought down the auto industry and he said exactly that and then just continued on.

My friend, I am a Republican. I do not support most of what our President does for any number of reasons, BUT I never say he is always wrong and actually on this forum applauded some of the things he did when his tenure began.

I tell you this because, I am not like you and so short sighted that I simply post a percentage here or a percentage here. Whatever will support the President. I prefer to do multiple reading to get context on the subject matter.

You speak of unemployment....there is a quandry facing this country and because it is not politically expediant it is not talked about very much and you will find it offensive I am sure....

I simply want to make a point about how you post and why you get such grief.

This....

"The percentage of adult Americans working or actively looking for a job stands at 62.6 percent, the lowest level in nearly four decades."

That is from Bureau of Labor Statistics. IF this information was something that made Obama look good you would find a way to post how wonderful he has done and use that statement as a tool.

In fact it is TRUE, but there are so many variables as there are with most of what you spout....you miss the context and simply mouth what you hear that suits your need to post.

The preference would be that you study it and stop making accusations. Let go of the racist claims.let go of the blame Bush for everything.

Now on labor parcticipation.....read a bit and maybe you want to discuss it...LOWEST PARTICIPATION IN FORTY YEARS.

As Paul Harvey used to say...."Here is the rest of the story"..

"In a nutshell, the baby boomers have aged and are now finally retiring en masse. After bulging into the workplace in the 1970s, women are no longer the force in the labor market they once were. Younger people are opting to educate themselves rather than work. And a less-than-friendly tone toward immigrants is shrinking the supply for some high-skilled jobs.

All told, it's likely to be a drag on the U.S. economy for years to come.

The U.S. economy has created 11.5 million new jobs during the last 57 consecutive months of domestic labor force expansion. And there were nearly 5.4 million open jobs at the end of May – more than twice as many vacancies as there were six years ago.

And yet Americans are actually trickling out of work at an alarming rate. The country's labor force participation rate – which measures the share of Americans at least 16 years old who are either employed or actively looking for work – dipped last month to a 38-year low, clocking in at an underwhelming 62.6 percent.

Unemployed individuals who haven't actively looked for a job in the last four weeks, for any number of reasons, actually slip away from the Labor Department's unemployment calculations. So although the unemployment rate ticked down to a seven-year low of 5.3 percent in June, that number didn't do justice to the 640,000 individuals who exited the labor market last month and the nearly 94 million people who were neither employed nor looking for work.


Point is before you make such rash accusation and statements as calling me and others racist, which you did a few times or blame someone for everything or defend the President as if he were the God you think he is....READ and do not just read the stuff that is put out to make a POLITICAL case.

Guest 09-17-2015 06:39 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115657)
You want facts but your facts are incorrect. There are no facts that say home owners insurance is up. There are a list of facts on factcheck.org that dispute your "Facts". Go to Obama’s Numbers (April 2015 Update)

As you can see, I used numbers obtained from several sources, including numbers from TreasuryDirect.gov. You are the one that took one line out of context (which may have been my mistake for not spelling it out for you) and tried to call me a liar. Believe me when I say, I got each one of those lines by using Google, so you are free to dispute it. But, if you are going to open your mouth to dispute my comment, then do it with a countering quote from a decent source. I showed you where the national debt will double during Obama's administration. It is already close to achieving that number, so don't act so indignant. I realize that the truth hurts and Obama's ego is being blemished, but that's life. It now seems that polls are showing that America would rather have Bush in the White House again, rather than this amateur.

Guest 09-17-2015 06:46 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115674)
Health Insurance. Sorry if I didn't spell it out for you. You know, Obamacare that everyone has been fighting about for the past six years?

On that subject and again saying NOTHING is as ideal as Obama wants it to be nor the Republicans oppostion.

Obamacare is the age old debate between BIG government and SMALL government. Obama care insure BIG govern ment and while many kind of details are used in debates, that and states rights are the basis of the entire conversation.

A few thing to refer to....first a very short article on Obama Care which ends wit this.

"We’ve examined the promise and the result, Obamacares effect on the economy, and offered a viable alternative. At the present time there are signs that businesses are tightening their collective belts. Government is supposed to exist to “serve the people.” Instead, we have a system where the people are serving the government. I also see the financial and regulatory burden is growing. What will make American businesses more competitive on the global stage? Business-friendly policies from Washington! The irony is that the government doesn’t exist without the private sector. They are, in a sense, brothers. Yet as brothers often do, they are engaged in a sibling rivalry."

Forbes Welcome

The link below takes you to another article from CNBC and goes back to 2014 and also I think relates to the link I gave on the jobless rate, etc. The article is about the impact of the ACA on economic growth. In that quarter when the article was written, the growth rate went down and is forecast by the way to continue to go down this year for a number of reasons. I give you two quotes from and links for articles that are either specifically tuned into the economic impact of ACA on our country and the rate of growth.

This from CNBC discussing the impact with the mandate on employers mandate...

"Get ready for more dampening effects on the economy from Obamacare, too. The Washington Post reminded readers this week that the employer mandates will soon come into force for most businesses, which now have to make decisions on staffing, hours, and benefits for their 2015 budgets. The Post focuses first on a restaurant chain in Idaho to see how the employer mandate has impacted staffing and benefit decisions."

http://www.cnbc.com/2014/06/26/obama...e-economy.html

And this is simply showing the impact this bill has and will have on our economy..This using information from the CBO is just a few days old

"Repealing ObamaCare’s individual mandate would save about $300 billion over the next decade while driving the nation’s uninsured rate back up to 2013 levels, according to new federal budget estimates.

Government health departments would save about $311 billion over 10 years if Republicans successfully repealed the mandate, which requires nearly all adults to purchase healthcare or pay a penalty.

The updated figures, which were released by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) on Tuesday, give a boost to congressional Republicans hoping to repeal the mandate this fall through a budget tool known as reconciliation. Under congressional rules, any reconciliation package must be determined to reduce the deficit.


CBO: Nixing ObamaCare mandate would reduce deficit by $300B | TheHill

And finally on the economy of our country.,.

"The U.S. economic outlook for 2015 will be significantly different depending on your vantage point. If you’re wealthy, 2015 will probably be another year of celebratory wealth creation.

If, on the other hand, you’re not, 2015 will feel an awful lot like 2014, 2013, 2012, 2011, 2010, and 2009. Wall Street and the U.S. government will tell you the economy is doing well, but it won’t feel like it.

In fact, according to a national survey, 70% of Americans believe the U.S. economy is permanently damaged, while 84% do not believe the economy has improved since the recession ended in 2009.


Economic Outlook 2015 | US Economic Forecast 2015

AGAIN, please read as much as you care to. Each link will supply both liberals and conservatives fodder is they wish but it will keep you from reading very bias things and making claims and accusations that are not valid.

Guest 09-17-2015 06:48 PM

And I might add, I am still waiting for some back up for this accusation...

""."the auto industry which George Bush's presidency had led to ruin, almost bankruptcy. "

Cannot move on if your going to ignore any challenge to what you accuse people of


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