Oooh, so serious! Obama had two full years of NON-resistence. He had complete control and spent the whole time passing that disastrous Obamacare. Appears to me like you are trying anything to excuse a very inept non-leader. The great Leader from behind, of the great gay pride.

By the way, the only blockades present were on Reid's desk waiting for a vote. This armchair expert could have done a better job and was more qualified than Obama. I just didn't have affirmative action going for me.

OK so you think he has been blocked....it really does sound like an excuse, but anyway forget that part.

Please tell us all about what he was able to get accomplished his first two years in office when both houses of congress were democrtatic? Nobody there to block him during those years.

And I do think you are confused about the blocking. We all know the king of blockage, Harry Reid, did not let ANY legislation through to the senate floor unless it was in line with the democratic agenda. That is the blockage you must be recollecting!

Take your time!

Talk about confused. There was no mention of Paul's statement in the other post. It said accurately that the national debt was.......on such a date. It then said that the national debt was ......on the next date. Is that hard for you to understand? It was direct quotes taken from a government website. And you are saying that poster was wrong? And your information is right? Admit you are wrong and move on. Point for the other team.

The poster also stated that current polls favored Bush. What has that got to do with Obama being elected now? Either you are very desperate to defend, or you are a bit confused.

Let's examine the information provided by the poster's gov website:

He said Dec 31, 2008 the national debt was = $10,699,804,864,612.13 *correct*
He said current national debt was = $18,151,049,785,935.02 *correct*

Ok so far

You said it should only count after Sep 30, 2009 = $11,909,829,003,511.75
Today's national debt is == $18,154,723,985,268.48

So the yearly average is what? About $1 > trillion
So, if there is no decrease in the yearly national debt, we should average about $2+ trillion more by the end of Oabma's term, plus or minus what Obamacare will cost.

Hmmm, seems like he was right in stating that Obama will have doubled the national debt. Even with your date calculations.

Do you have any information to dispute his claim?

Concerning your question about food stamps, this article pretty much confirms what I stated. I didn't see this article until you asked for validation.

The New Face Of Food Stamps: Working-Age Americans

It has tripled since Bush took office, doubling during Bush's term.

Let's do some rounding 11.9 trillion round it to 12 trillion. So, 12 trillion times 2 is 24 trillion. 18 trillion plus 2 is 20 trillion. I could be wrong, but it looks like 4 trillion more would have to be added for the national debt to double under Obama. Do you have any other math problems for me?

Concerning the national debt, look what "W" was handed in first year. Then, look at what Obama was handed in first year. It is night, and day.

The two, or three, if you include the great recession, major items that contributed to national debt increase under "W" were the Iraq/Afgan wars, huge tax reduction, mostly to top wage earners, and the great recession. Obama inherited two of the three. The ACA has added to the National debt. Over 50% of the debt increase was a direct result of what Obama was handed.

This is not the blame game. Programs, that were in effect before each president was elected, added to the national debt. You can't place the blame on them for that. Neither did any of "W's" or Obama's policies create the great recession.

If all you want to do is demean Obama, be my guest.

Not true. It doubled during Bush's terms, with 2nd term Dem controlled congress and then it will double again during Obama's terms, with Dem controlled first term and tyrant controlled second term.

During Bush's terms, the Avg yearly increase in national debt was in the billions, not trillions. During Obama's terms, the national debt will average over a trillion per year.

The only time in Bush's two terms where the debt went up a trillion bucks was in 2008. And it might be added, that congress was controlled by Dems since 2007. Never in Obama's terms did the yearly national debt increase go below a trillion.

You can scream about unfunded wars during Bush, but the fact remains that even then the national debt per year was below a trillion until 2008.
Obama had complete control of congress for two whole years, and was not able to get a handle on the debt problem, increasing the ceiling every year against advice from Republicans and economists.

I got my figures from TreasuryDirect.gov if anyone wishes to verify my information. If you want to see who controlled congress during those years considered, I used Wikipedia. I took into consideration the fiscal year, not the actual years of office, because of the protests posted by Obamanites on here.

To summarize, Bush did double the national debt. But, not one year of Bush's two terms increased by a trillion dollars, except until fiscal year 2008. Dem's controlled congress from 2007 on.
Obama has never had a year of national debt less than a trillion dollars and won't. Regardless of excuses, congress as well as the white house was totally controlled by Dem's for the first two years of his first term. He was advised not to increase the debt loan ceiling by the GOP as well as the economists but did so with threats and slurs. Since Obama's reign, the GDP has tanked and stagnated. This is the longest recession/depression recovery in history, that's due to poor management by this administration.

We have the most people that have left the work force
We have the highest amount of people on food stamps
Unemployment benefits were extended for over a year
The most workers that have retired early
House sales lowest in decades

On top of all this Obama has ruined our foreign policy
He has racially divided this country worst than any previous president in history.
He has used his power to prevent immigration laws from being enforced
Not to mention what he has done as far as shredding the constitution.

I wonder where you learned your math. See the post above for the actual information linked to a gov website. Your magical math doesn't compute. You must be using some of that new modern math.

Kind of hard for Obama to work the figures when he never had a budget to work with. The only president to go through a whole term without a budget.

Obama doesn't need any help at being "demeaned." The facts do it for him, without anyone's help. All the facts and evidence condemns him. Obama's debt by year, is double what Bush's was until 2008. The facts are rather blatant.

This has pretty much been the case with every political forum that I've ever been on. It's terrible.

I didn't think I've ever agree with Bernie Sanders on anything but he's right on the money when he said,

The politicians and especially, the media, have us all simply trying to defend "our side". Broadcasters like Rush Limbaugh and Rachel Maddow have made a fortune by demonizing the people that they don't agree with.

If you watched the CNN debate you heard that the purpose of most of the questions was not to get information about ideas, plans and philosophies, but rather to get the candidates fighting with one another.

The whole election process in this country is shot to hell.

We can all agree that such a huge debt is not good for America.
We can all agree that no matter what it was under which administration trying to assign blame (an Obama trend) does nothing to reduce the debt.

The real question for those who are Obama supporters is what has the debt done during Obama's term?

We know it has not gone down, so exactly what is it Obama has done that will put the national debt in a downward/reduction trend.

No blame allowed. It solves nothing except copping out allowed by the uninformed.

Take your time assembling the list of actions (:D).

Running up a huge debt is just once more element of Obama's strategy to "transform" (transgender?) America. Making us go bust works quite nicely. Plus, it enables him to turn the turdpile over to his successor, while he's out playing golf.

My intention was not to demean Obama. Just sick of everything being blamed on him. I figured someone would try to blame the wildfires on Obama.