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H2O softner vs. Whole house filtration system

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Old 09-06-2015, 05:45 PM
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I measured it at my house at 12-13 grains per gallon. This is considered very hard by the USGS standards. Hardwater has a serious impact on appliances. I believe my numbers from a high quality titration test (via my sister with a PhD in Chemistry) more than some third hand numbers. Your strawman arguments are really inconsequential. I am not sure what your motivation is to try to discredit water softeners. Many people prefer softwater. BTW, the scale on hardwater is not limitied to 1-15, it can be higher than that. Softwater has 0 grains per gallon. I assume you have mistake hardness for pH. They are not the same thing ;-) LOL.

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Soft water, such as has been produced by a water softening system,
tank lifetimes can be reduced by 50 percent or more (Weingarten and Weingarten 1992).

For example, the A.O. Smith water heater manual acknowledges “artificially softened water is exceedingly corrosive because the process substitutes sodium ions for magnesium and calcium ions.
The use of water softener may decrease life of water heater tank
.”

An assessment of homeowners’ insurance claims resulting from water heater failures conducted by the Insurance Institute for Business & Home Safety (IBHS ) found that water heater failures are one of the top five “water loss” claims, or claims in which monetary compensation is sought as a result of
water damage to furniture, equipment, or the home itself.
Of the 700 water-heater-related water loss claims analyzed, 69 percent were due to leaks in the water heater or to the tank bursting.
The water heater failures cost an average of $4,444 per incident after the deductible was paid

The Battelle study found that for electric storage water heaters, regular flushing to prevent sediment buildup maintains efficiency for the lifetime of the equipment. For gas storage water heaters, cleaning the tank of sediment buildup was not found to restore full efficiency since the burner surface at
the bottom of the tank cannot be completely cleaned.

although Biker1 says he has hard water (12), the water company says it not very hard at all (a 9 on scale of 1-15).

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Old 09-06-2015, 05:57 PM
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Well maybe you should measure it again? I think your results maybe incorrect.

How did you measure it?

Not trying to discredit softeners, they have their place, just not in TV the water is not that hard to require one.

Now I suppose if you want one add the Nova to it.
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Old 09-06-2015, 06:07 PM
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Nope, my results are fine. 12-13 grains per gallon via a high quality titration test. I already stated that - please reread the post. Your results may vary. We have very hard water according to the USGS. As I already stated, many people prefer softwater. There is no requirement for a water softener, just as there is no requirement for a carbon-block filter or redox material to remove chlorine. These are optional equipment. Anyone who states the water is unsafe should be shown the door. I would never presume to tell people what they like or need.


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Well maybe you should measure it again? I think your results maybe incorrect.

How did you measure it?

Not trying to discredit softeners, they have their place, just not in TV the water is not that hard to require one.

Now I suppose if you want one add the Nova to it.
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Old 12-01-2015, 01:23 PM
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Well maybe you should measure it again? I think your results maybe incorrect.

How did you measure it?

Not trying to discredit softeners, they have their place, just not in TV the water is not that hard to require one.

Now I suppose if you want one add the Nova to it.
I hear what your saying, but I've been having skin rashes since I moved here and my wife has been getting very bad rashes and is having her hair fall out. Her doctor says it's from the hard water and recommends we get a water softener.

Most people I talk to say that the water in TV is very hard. Why do you say it's not? Have you measure the water hardness in your house? Do you have any numbers?
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Old 12-01-2015, 03:34 PM
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Jim, water hardness generally uses a a range of 1-15, 12+ is very hard and where softeners are frequently used.

Here according to our utility it is 8.6 -9., that's not really considered hard.

I think you should be concerned with the contaminants or pollutants in our water that causes problems such as you describe.

The CDC stated there is no negative effect from hard water and they are referring to the 12+ type.

Remember that water softeners don't remove the contaminants or pollutants to the degree the Nova triple does.

If your not convinced you can get the Triple and softener for $1250, but try the Triple first for $495, I never had anyone ask to add a softener after over 300 installs.


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Old 12-02-2015, 09:08 AM
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Great water with the Nova system. Even the toilets stay clean.
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