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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Not sure how Al Gore's meaningful work relates to 2024. There is a lot more data now than back then supporting global warming caused by pollution.

Bad logic does not support the denial of global warming.

That is the standard climate alarmist narrative -- pollution causes global warming. The reality is that the alarmists have everything backwards. Pollution actually causes global cooling. Guess why there was the "next ice age scare" in the 70s ... it was based on too much industrial pollution reflecting sunlight back to space. Those who attend the Weather Club know this.

[SaucyJim]

Originally Posted by sounding

Good idea. How about ... solar panels help protect bunny rabbits from hail.

I don’t know why, but I laughed long and out loud at your post. Absolutely hilarious. And I count three — yes, three solar panels in the first row that went unscathed.

People don’t think about things before throwing money - probably taxpayer money - into their genius ideas.

Still {another word for going pee since my first word was censored for some reason} myself… LMAO!!

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Originally Posted by SaucyJim

I don’t know why, but I laughed long and out loud at your post. Absolutely hilarious. And I count three — yes, three solar panels in the first row that went unscathed.

People don’t think about things before throwing money - probably taxpayer money - into their genius ideas.

Still ****ing myself… LMAO!!

You are welcome SaucyJim. Green energy offers so many advantages, like the terrific 4th of July displays as illustrated in this short video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5COAi6KM8o

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Higher ocean temperatures worldwide mean that the air holds more moisture - so greater rain.

Higher water temps cause more water to be available to be held in the air, the air temp must also be higher to hold more water. Both bring higher are needed.

[SaucyJim]

Originally Posted by asianthree

If one isn’t aware of something, how can it cause long term stress?

Worrying about an unknown hurricane causes continual stress, while worrying about a known hurricane only causes the stress needed to deal with it. And that stress is reduced through preparatory action.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Not sure how Al Gore's meaningful work relates to 2024. There is a lot more data now than back then supporting global warming caused by pollution.

Easy, we still have glaciers and he said they would all be gone by 2015.

Bad logic does not support the denial of global warming.

Why do the AGW faithful always pretend not believing man is magically the the main driver of the temp increase means people believe there is no warming? Care to answer?

Almost all who do not believe in AGW believe, instead, in nature. The world would be currently warming even if humans never existed. The Milkanovitch Cycles show this clearly. They have been established scientific fact for decades.
They also show CO2 has lagged temp changes for the last 400,000 years, at least. CO2 has not been a driver of temp changes, but a result of them.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by sounding

That is the standard climate alarmist narrative -- pollution causes global warming. The reality is that the alarmists have everything backwards. Pollution actually causes global cooling. Guess why there was the "next ice age scare" in the 70s ... it was based on too much industrial pollution reflecting sunlight back to space. Those who attend the Weather Club know this.

There is some other solid evidence of this: The year 1816 is known as "the year without a summer"; the cause being the eruption of the Indonesian volcano Mt. Tambora. A study done through the University of Illinois (Tambora: the Eruption That Changed the World: Gillen D'Arcy Wood, illinois dot edu) summarized it pretty neatly when it states, in part, that:

When Indonesia's Mount Tambora erupted in 1815, it unleashed the most destructive wave of extreme weather the world has witnessed in thousands of years. The volcano’s massive sulfate dust cloud enveloped the Earth, cooling temperatures and disrupting major weather systems for more than three years. Communities worldwide endured famine, disease, and civil unrest on a catastrophic scale.

Here, Gillen D’Arcy Wood traces Tambora’s global and historical reach: how the volcano’s three-year climate change regime initiated the first worldwide cholera pandemic, expanded opium markets in China, and plunged the United States into its first economic depression.

This is far from the only example. Regarding the medieval Little Ice Age, in an article by BBC Environment correspondent Richard Black, quoted a study by an international research team "studied ancient plants from Iceland and Canada, and sediments carried by glaciers". The article concludes that:

"...a series of eruptions just before 1300 lowered Arctic temperatures enough for ice sheets to expand.

The new study, led by Gifford Miller at the University of Colorado at Boulder, US, links back to a series of four explosive volcanic eruptions between about 1250 and 1300 in the tropics, which would have blasted huge clouds of sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere."

This climatic disruption negatively impacted populations worldwide. Crop failures resulting in famine and widespread starvation was just one such. According to a study by a NASA scientist: "The transition from a warm climate to the Little Ice Age in the early 14th Century, marked by heavy precipitation, may have set the stage for a series of plagues, including the Black Death". But it is what happened subsequently, when after a couple of hundred years or so Mother Earth warmed up again, that is interesting. One of the primary triggers of the Renaissance is attributed to precisely the warm-up following the Little Ice Age.

Historic climate trends have irrefutable results. Cooling baaaaad. Warming good.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

post hoc ergo propter hoc

Ad litteram dixi ratione non est causatio

[SaucyJim]

Originally Posted by sounding

You are welcome SaucyJim. Green energy offers so many advantages, like the terrific 4th of July displays as illustrated in this short video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5COAi6KM8o

The strange thing is that in those winds, all of those other windmills should be spinning to generate electricity, yet they sit idle.

Hmmm…

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by sounding

The AMO and PDO graphs are ocean index temperature data - and very important in short-term climate change. Most don't know this because the media will not talk about this data because it exposes the fraud behind the CO2 control knob theory. The Weather Club talk will discuss this and more in detail in November ... The Villages Weather Club

And yet the Milkanovitch Cycles still show the world would be warming even if humans never existed.

The important question is how much of the current warming is caused by humans. If a mere 1%, nothing we do can change the temp. If a massive 99%, then destroyingoves and causing misery is required.

So what is humanity's addition? No one ever says, except the liars who either claimed all of it or none of it. Know why? It falls into the margin of error for the calculations.

Now, new info may have increased our knowledge, so go ahead and tell us all of you know. How much of the temp rise is caused by humans and how much by the existing natural cycles? Go ahead and round to the nearest 5 percentile of that makes the math simpler.

Thanks!

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

Ad litteram dixi ratione non est causatio

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Originally Posted by CybrSage

And yet the Milkanovitch Cycles still show the world would be warming even if humans never existed.

The important question is how much of the current warming is caused by humans. If a mere 1%, nothing we do can change the temp. If a massive 99%, then destroyingoves and causing misery is required.

So what is humanity's addition? No one ever says, except the liars who either claimed all of it or none of it. Know why? It falls into the margin of error for the calculations.

Now, new info may have increased our knowledge, so go ahead and tell us all of you know. How much of the temp rise is caused by humans and how much by the existing natural cycles? Go ahead and round to the nearest 5 percentile of that makes the math simpler.

Thanks!

Milankovitch cycle (Obliquity) began cooling 8,000 years ago -- see purple line. Also notice CO2 is NOT a temperature control knob. Current warming is caused by the Bray and Eddy solar cycles - which will continue for about 100 more years -- and all discussed at the Weather Club. Current CO2 warming is so tiny it can't be measured -- it's irrelevant.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I'm sorry, it seems the highlighted word is misspelled-----it should be MEANINGLESS.

And the obvious "logic" (aside from all the data that shows man-made global warming is a hoax and a scam) is that human activity can have negligible effects on millions of years of repetitive cycles driven by the power of the sun and Earth's orbital momentum. To quote Mr. Spock----"to think otherwise is illogical"

Mr. Spock is/was a fictional character, figment of someone's imagination. Just keeping it real.

Mankind alone is not the cause of global warming. But, mankind's penchant for industry and our ability to destroy and reshape the land does indeed contribute to global warming. Over 8 Billion of us, along with all the cows, pigs, fish farms etc, peeing and pooping and farting everyday. Factories belching smoke and ash. Earthmovers reshaping the landscape and devastating habitats and resources. To think none of it matters or makes any difference? To me, that is illogical. Think of our "contribution" as the straw that broke the camel's back. There are, of course, natural forces in play. We all get that. But, the natural forces are getting help from us and are quickening pace.
For our own benefit, we should consider making changes in what we do, and how we do it.

[LeRoySmith]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Mr. Spock is/was a fictional character, figment of someone's imagination. Just keeping it real.

Mankind alone is not the cause of global warming. But, mankind's penchant for industry and our ability to destroy and reshape the land does indeed contribute to global warming. Over 8 Billion of us, along with all the cows, pigs, fish farms etc, peeing and pooping and farting everyday. Factories belching smoke and ash. Earthmovers reshaping the landscape and devastating habitats and resources. To think none of it matters or makes any difference? To me, that is illogical. Think of our "contribution" as the straw that broke the camel's back. There are, of course, natural forces in play. We all get that. But, the natural forces are getting help from us and are quickening pace.
For our own benefit, we should consider making changes in what we do, and how we do it.

Why would you try to apply common sense to a conversation where none is welcome?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by sounding

That's the whole purpose of climate alarmism, it is to create pseudo science designed to demonize CO2. CO2 is not and has never created climate change. All the assumptions you make (about corals etc) are all derived from climate alarmist articles designed to fool you. Regarding UAH, it's the Univ of Alabama at Huntsville, which is a NASA supported activity providing the world's best global temperature measurements -- which clearly show that Tonga "water vapor" (and not CO2) is actually causing significant global warming -- because there is no other logical explanation.

Tonga, Tonga, Tonga - sounds like a burlesque show in Las Vegas. But seriously the statement, "there is NO other explanation"doesn't RING true because 90 or more % of all Climate Scientist say that Global Warming is caused by the excess CO2 pollution caused by the increased industrial pollution and automobile pollution caused by world population increases. I have to laugh at the way a few people justify their Global Warming denials by saying that the EPA is wrong and all the world's climate scientists are wrong ssssooo all the world should forget their KNOWLEDGE about Global Warming and look to one small, insignificant club in The Villages for the REAL low down principles of Global Warming-----------as in Tonga, Tonga, Tonga.
......Riddle me this all you Climate Tonga Batmen----------Tonga happened in 2022.....and you-all Climate Batmen say that it CAUSED Global Warming. Why then is it so easy for me to Google a chart of recent WORLD temperature and CLEARLY see that the temperature INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY beginning in the last 30 years. And that is further backed up by glacier melting in the last 30 years and Coral Reef destruction and species going extinct and many other facts. Also look at the world population graph rising SHARPLY in the last 50 years. Would anyone believe that those many people on the Earth would NOT AFFECT GLOBAL WARMING?